MMGW, what started it all
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After a little thought, I felt this might be an eye opener for some. What is really behind all this endless wrangling, taxation and self flagellation
http://www.john-daly.com/history.htm
The article was written by an Independent adviser to the Government
http://www.john-daly.com/history.htm
The article was written by an Independent adviser to the Government
Sounds a bit far fetched really. People love a conspiracy theory, so the idea that a previous UK head of state is part of the biggest hoax since the moon landings (ho-ho) appeals to a lot of people who would rather live in a world which isnt quite like the one they are stuck with.
There always seems to be a similar writing style used when disclosing a conspiracy especially via web content. Just like the UFOs powered by mercury in those sanskrit texts. Or running your car on water. Or the CIA using telepathy to see what the Russians were doing during the cold war.
Scientists used to think the Earth was the centre of the universe. Someone found evidence to the contrary and wasnt taken seriously but after a lot of time everyone 'knows' it to be true. However one could very reasonably argue with and convince a lot of people that the Earth is indeed the centre of the universe because most people do not have the means with which to test such a hypothesis. A good example of such thinking is Intelligent Design.
Something like the topic of MMGW would be far better approached from an attitude of openminded cynicism and proper investigation of the murky facts and the viewpoints from which those 'facts' are dispensed. There is huge interest on both sides of this arguement. On one side you have the oil giants and affiliates, the other you have the majority of the scientific community and a lot of governments with an interest in applying additional control.
FWIW all the data from either side seems to agree that cars make up a very small portion of any possible contribution. I think we're still missing the final bit of evidence but until then you may as well go to church if you want to believe something.
There always seems to be a similar writing style used when disclosing a conspiracy especially via web content. Just like the UFOs powered by mercury in those sanskrit texts. Or running your car on water. Or the CIA using telepathy to see what the Russians were doing during the cold war.
Scientists used to think the Earth was the centre of the universe. Someone found evidence to the contrary and wasnt taken seriously but after a lot of time everyone 'knows' it to be true. However one could very reasonably argue with and convince a lot of people that the Earth is indeed the centre of the universe because most people do not have the means with which to test such a hypothesis. A good example of such thinking is Intelligent Design.
Something like the topic of MMGW would be far better approached from an attitude of openminded cynicism and proper investigation of the murky facts and the viewpoints from which those 'facts' are dispensed. There is huge interest on both sides of this arguement. On one side you have the oil giants and affiliates, the other you have the majority of the scientific community and a lot of governments with an interest in applying additional control.
FWIW all the data from either side seems to agree that cars make up a very small portion of any possible contribution. I think we're still missing the final bit of evidence but until then you may as well go to church if you want to believe something.
renrut said:
Sounds a bit far fetched really. People love a conspiracy theory, so the idea that a previous UK head of state is part of the biggest hoax since the moon landings (ho-ho) appeals to a lot of people who would rather live in a world which isnt quite like the one they are stuck with.
It's not the first place that I've heard that theory - it certainly makes sense to me.The Nu Labia high jacking of this also fits perfectly in with this theory - they know that they can blind the population with science having spent the previous ten years dumbing down everything so that most people's powers of critical thought are who to vote for on X Factor.
Never underestimate the power of one or two gifted politicians and orrators to dazzle the masses.
Hitler did it, Maggie did it, Blair did it.
renrut said:
Sounds a bit far fetched really. People love a conspiracy theory, so the idea that a previous UK head of state is part of the biggest hoax since the moon landings (ho-ho) appeals to a lot of people who would rather live in a world which isnt quite like the one they are stuck with.
There always seems to be a similar writing style used when disclosing a conspiracy especially via web content. Just like the UFOs powered by mercury in those sanskrit texts. Or running your car on water. Or the CIA using telepathy to see what the Russians were doing during the cold war.
Scientists used to think the Earth was the centre of the universe. Someone found evidence to the contrary and wasnt taken seriously but after a lot of time everyone 'knows' it to be true. However one could very reasonably argue with and convince a lot of people that the Earth is indeed the centre of the universe because most people do not have the means with which to test such a hypothesis. A good example of such thinking is Intelligent Design.
Something like the topic of MMGW would be far better approached from an attitude of openminded cynicism and proper investigation of the murky facts and the viewpoints from which those 'facts' are dispensed. There is huge interest on both sides of this arguement. On one side you have the oil giants and affiliates, the other you have the majority of the scientific community and a lot of governments with an interest in applying additional control.
FWIW all the data from either side seems to agree that cars make up a very small portion of any possible contribution. I think we're still missing the final bit of evidence but until then you may as well go to church if you want to believe something.
Who said anything about a Conspiracy Theory? is anything slightly contentious or questioning to be considered a Conspiracy Theory? the man is a Government advisor, hardly the stereotype of a 'Denier' is it?There always seems to be a similar writing style used when disclosing a conspiracy especially via web content. Just like the UFOs powered by mercury in those sanskrit texts. Or running your car on water. Or the CIA using telepathy to see what the Russians were doing during the cold war.
Scientists used to think the Earth was the centre of the universe. Someone found evidence to the contrary and wasnt taken seriously but after a lot of time everyone 'knows' it to be true. However one could very reasonably argue with and convince a lot of people that the Earth is indeed the centre of the universe because most people do not have the means with which to test such a hypothesis. A good example of such thinking is Intelligent Design.
Something like the topic of MMGW would be far better approached from an attitude of openminded cynicism and proper investigation of the murky facts and the viewpoints from which those 'facts' are dispensed. There is huge interest on both sides of this arguement. On one side you have the oil giants and affiliates, the other you have the majority of the scientific community and a lot of governments with an interest in applying additional control.
FWIW all the data from either side seems to agree that cars make up a very small portion of any possible contribution. I think we're still missing the final bit of evidence but until then you may as well go to church if you want to believe something.
If you want rabid conspiratorial lunacy, check this site out
http://risingtide.org.uk/hallofshame
The MMGW theory will be looked back on in the future and be laughed at - just like we do with Flat Earthers now, and those who thought that Sun revolved around Earth rather than the other way around.
What'll be even MORE comical to future generations is that the perceived way to 'stop' GW was to tax the miniscule emissions from car exhausts which constitute only a fraction of a % of the total CO2 volume. Which itself is only a fraction of all the gases which constitute the atmosphere.
They will think we are akin to the 'backwards' folk who abhor computers and those who lick windows.
What'll be even MORE comical to future generations is that the perceived way to 'stop' GW was to tax the miniscule emissions from car exhausts which constitute only a fraction of a % of the total CO2 volume. Which itself is only a fraction of all the gases which constitute the atmosphere.
They will think we are akin to the 'backwards' folk who abhor computers and those who lick windows.
Funk said:
The MMGW theory will be looked back on in the future and be laughed at - just like we do with Flat Earthers now, and those who thought that Sun revolved around Earth rather than the other way around.
What'll be even MORE comical to future generations is that the perceived way to 'stop' GW was to tax the miniscule emissions from car exhausts which constitute only a fraction of a % of the total CO2 volume. Which itself is only a fraction of all the gases which constitute the atmosphere.
They will think we are akin to the 'backwards' folk who abhor computers and those who lick windows.
That is true !What'll be even MORE comical to future generations is that the perceived way to 'stop' GW was to tax the miniscule emissions from car exhausts which constitute only a fraction of a % of the total CO2 volume. Which itself is only a fraction of all the gases which constitute the atmosphere.
They will think we are akin to the 'backwards' folk who abhor computers and those who lick windows.
And also the way each population still kept paying these stupid taxes without protesting to any effect.
tonyvid said:
Having watched that House of Saddam thing last night, those blown up oil wells that belched fire for months on end must have chucked some crap out. Never mind, add £100 to my VED and all will be well with the world.
That's the way it works.
AJI said:
The main point in the entire document states that man made global warming is an impossibility.
This is something that we all know, and have known for a long time.
But it was news for me that Maggie T created MMGW theory to gain international power.
Good read.
Inventions that return to plague th'inventor. This is something that we all know, and have known for a long time.
But it was news for me that Maggie T created MMGW theory to gain international power.
Good read.
I received a science journal from my uni this morning and there's a great quote from coverage of some scientific research taking place in a rainforest. Comment in it, from the lead researcher, says basically 'I was thinking about (field of research) for some time but now I can actually do it', yes you remembered to put climate change in the title of your grant application, mentioned using a computer model, and £KERCHING. Largesse like you never knew.
As usual from the John Daly site (Still Waiting for greenhouse) it sure is a damn good read. John's loss was untimely but the site is still there.
renrut said:
Sounds a bit far fetched really
It's a historical perspective from somebody who was there. What's conspiratorial about it?
The current position of mass-hysteria and political suborning of science is just an example of Churchill's Maxim: a lie can get half-way round the world before the truth can get its pants on.
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