Am I right to be a bit peeved?
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I applied for a part time evening job, only 16 hours a week in an unnamed big retail store, as the extra cash while not essential, would be handy.
Now without bumming myself up, my day job is a professional / technical type role and a large chunk of the role involves dealing with the public.
To cut a long story short, I met all the job criteria.
I passed a "test" in the store with 100%, then had an interview with the boss, who twice told me I was over-qualified for the post, and seemed confused as to why I was applying.
He said his only concern was that my day job might get in the way - i.e. if I had a big project on I might need to work late and therefore not be able to get to my evening job.
I twice assured him that this has never happened and it would not be the case, and I had no reason to think I couldnt do the hours or I wouldnt have applied.
This morning I get an email, saying I didnt get the position;
"Whilst you had some of the skills and experience we're looking for, there were other candidates who were a closer match for the role. So I regret to inform you that we won't be progressing your application any further on this occasion."
Im not bothered about not getting the job BUT I think the refusal I got was pretty confusing after what I was told at interview stage?
Should I reply and ask for clarification on what skills / experience I didnt have?
Now without bumming myself up, my day job is a professional / technical type role and a large chunk of the role involves dealing with the public.
To cut a long story short, I met all the job criteria.
I passed a "test" in the store with 100%, then had an interview with the boss, who twice told me I was over-qualified for the post, and seemed confused as to why I was applying.
He said his only concern was that my day job might get in the way - i.e. if I had a big project on I might need to work late and therefore not be able to get to my evening job.
I twice assured him that this has never happened and it would not be the case, and I had no reason to think I couldnt do the hours or I wouldnt have applied.
This morning I get an email, saying I didnt get the position;
"Whilst you had some of the skills and experience we're looking for, there were other candidates who were a closer match for the role. So I regret to inform you that we won't be progressing your application any further on this occasion."
Im not bothered about not getting the job BUT I think the refusal I got was pretty confusing after what I was told at interview stage?
Should I reply and ask for clarification on what skills / experience I didnt have?
A bit peeved is about the right level of vexatiousness for this one.
Depends how you feel about embarking on an extended session of forehead/wall interface as to whether you follow it up , I suppose.
In theory, you'd have a great case for discrimination if you were anything but a WASP, as thats simply silly. In reality, you've already been told why you havent got the job - you're overqualified, and the manager thinks you either wont stick around for very long, or you'll embarrass him. I'd probably be tempted to write a few letters, not so much in the expectation you'll get anywhere, but in the sure and certain knowledge that HR people do like to multiply paper trails by getting all and sundry involved.
Depends how you feel about embarking on an extended session of forehead/wall interface as to whether you follow it up , I suppose.
In theory, you'd have a great case for discrimination if you were anything but a WASP, as thats simply silly. In reality, you've already been told why you havent got the job - you're overqualified, and the manager thinks you either wont stick around for very long, or you'll embarrass him. I'd probably be tempted to write a few letters, not so much in the expectation you'll get anywhere, but in the sure and certain knowledge that HR people do like to multiply paper trails by getting all and sundry involved.
Vesuvius 996 said:
Dontlift said:
its simple they wanted a McJobber........ not someone capable
BING!Correct.
They want a grunt who will do exactly what they're told, and won't think for themselves.
"Stack shelf long time", would be all the input you get.
they just send a standard "rejection" letter out I think. I had the same with a large un-named export/import company in Birmingham. They advertised for someone fluent in French and experience of french custom/culture. I completed their in-house examination with 100% pass, had lived in France for 4years so was fluent in the language (also spoke a good level of German) and was then told me my level of french was inadequate for the company 
The job went to a girl I knew who failed the in-house test but had a 2:2 in French from B'ham uni, had never lived in France and admitted to me herself that she was not good enough to speak on the phone to a french person.
I did reply to the rejection letter offering a sex-change and to dumb my french down but I never received a reply
The job went to a girl I knew who failed the in-house test but had a 2:2 in French from B'ham uni, had never lived in France and admitted to me herself that she was not good enough to speak on the phone to a french person.
I did reply to the rejection letter offering a sex-change and to dumb my french down but I never received a reply
Edited by Monki on Tuesday 5th August 09:55
Rejection letters are fine. It happens and as said they were obviously after a monkey.
That said it would piss me right off to get a totally inaccurate and frankly lying response from them. Sure that letter would do for 90% of the applicants but in your case it wouldn't have been too hard to just say that we feel you are considerably over qualified for the role meaning you would be unlikely to fit into their 'team' and get boared easily. Or some such.
Punish them for their laziness, write a few letters and run with it, so long as you don't ever wish to work for them in any other role...
One point i would mention though is that these things have to be very bland so as not to open any doors for discrimination....
That said it would piss me right off to get a totally inaccurate and frankly lying response from them. Sure that letter would do for 90% of the applicants but in your case it wouldn't have been too hard to just say that we feel you are considerably over qualified for the role meaning you would be unlikely to fit into their 'team' and get boared easily. Or some such.
Punish them for their laziness, write a few letters and run with it, so long as you don't ever wish to work for them in any other role...
One point i would mention though is that these things have to be very bland so as not to open any doors for discrimination....
Monki said:
The job went to a girl I knew who failed the in-house test but had a 2:2 in French from B'ham uni, had never lived in France and admitted to me herself that she was not good enough to speak on the phone to a french person.
Ok, so it's a Desmond, but how on earth do you get a degree in a modern language and still be incapable of actually speaking it? Madness.
Monki said:
The job went to a girl I knew who failed the in-house test but had a 2:2 in French from B'ham uni, had never lived in France and admitted to me herself that she was not good enough to speak on the phone to a french person. She did however have fantastic tits.
EFA..Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Tuesday 5th August 10:14
Justayellowbadge said:
Monki said:
The job went to a girl I knew who failed the in-house test but had a 2:2 in French from B'ham uni, had never lived in France and admitted to me herself that she was not good enough to speak on the phone to a french person.
Ok, so it's a Desmond, but how on earth do you get a degree in a modern language and still be incapable of actually speaking it? Madness.
It's one of the reasons I don't think a degree should be held with the same level of respect it used to be
Monki said:
Justayellowbadge said:
Monki said:
The job went to a girl I knew who failed the in-house test but had a 2:2 in French from B'ham uni, had never lived in France and admitted to me herself that she was not good enough to speak on the phone to a french person.
Ok, so it's a Desmond, but how on earth do you get a degree in a modern language and still be incapable of actually speaking it? Madness.
It's one of the reasons I don't think a degree should be held with the same level of respect it used to be
Unless of course, as Vesuvious said, it's due to her great tits...
Fatboy said:
Monki said:
Justayellowbadge said:
Monki said:
The job went to a girl I knew who failed the in-house test but had a 2:2 in French from B'ham uni, had never lived in France and admitted to me herself that she was not good enough to speak on the phone to a french person.
Ok, so it's a Desmond, but how on earth do you get a degree in a modern language and still be incapable of actually speaking it? Madness.
It's one of the reasons I don't think a degree should be held with the same level of respect it used to be
Unless of course, as Vesuvious said, it's due to her great tits...
She was a bit of a chunky monkey to be honest but I guess that like with the original poster, an employee with a basic understanding is easier to control than one with a good understanding.
As for how the tutors did not notice. Excuse was "exam pressure" and I think they just want students to pass to make the performance look better.
but I guess that like with the original poster, an employee with a basic understanding is easier to control than one with a good understanding.As for how the tutors did not notice. Excuse was "exam pressure" and I think they just want students to pass to make the performance look better.
Monki said:
She was a bit of a chunky monkey to be honest but I guess that like with the original poster, an employee with a basic understanding is easier to control than one with a good understanding.
As for how the tutors did not notice. Excuse was "exam pressure" and I think they just want students to pass to make the performance look better.
Exactly. but I guess that like with the original poster, an employee with a basic understanding is easier to control than one with a good understanding.As for how the tutors did not notice. Excuse was "exam pressure" and I think they just want students to pass to make the performance look better.
Which is why I've just had a law graudate in here who didn't know any law.
HundredthIdiot said:
Boss felt threatened.
Besides, why are you taking jobs from the proles? Do something you're skilled at instead.
Indeed, if you have 16 hours spare, why not Set up a part time consultancy. Besides, why are you taking jobs from the proles? Do something you're skilled at instead.
When My dad worked as a Computer Systems consultant for the NHS, he also had a business on the side writing byspoke software.
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