Cheating in exams...
Discussion
This was done in some form earlier this year i seem to remember... but, I was chatting today to a guy I went to uni with who told me a method he used for cheating in exams. It is similar to one i posted a few months ago, used by another acquaintance - involving asking for extra paper, smuggling it out of the exam room at the end, writing all your notes on it and then freely reading it in the next exam as nobody would bat an eyelid, after all it was official exam paper.
Cheating in exams is one thing that really irritated me and it was so common, far more common than any lecturer or university would have you believe, you would not believe the extent unless you had seen it for yourself.
I witnessed people freely taking notes out of their pockets, texting, talking, passing papers over for a quick look and passing them back, the most common was putting your notes in the toilet, taking a look at the paper and then going out to 'learn' the relevant stuff. People even had paper in their flies, unzipping to take a look and zipping back up again.
Which leads me to my next thing, people are NEVER caught, its so prevalant yet i believe only 900 students were expelled for cheating last year. Why??
I worked my arse off for my 2:1, late nights in the library etc. Theres a lad on my course who got a 2:1 doing nothing but cheating, his dissertation was almost a direct copy of one he found in the uni library, why isnt something in place to stop this.
Rant over really, uni standards are slipping.
Cheating in exams is one thing that really irritated me and it was so common, far more common than any lecturer or university would have you believe, you would not believe the extent unless you had seen it for yourself.
I witnessed people freely taking notes out of their pockets, texting, talking, passing papers over for a quick look and passing them back, the most common was putting your notes in the toilet, taking a look at the paper and then going out to 'learn' the relevant stuff. People even had paper in their flies, unzipping to take a look and zipping back up again.
Which leads me to my next thing, people are NEVER caught, its so prevalant yet i believe only 900 students were expelled for cheating last year. Why??
I worked my arse off for my 2:1, late nights in the library etc. Theres a lad on my course who got a 2:1 doing nothing but cheating, his dissertation was almost a direct copy of one he found in the uni library, why isnt something in place to stop this.
Rant over really, uni standards are slipping.
ab@ said:
This was done in some form earlier this year i seem to remember... but, I was chatting today to a guy I went to uni with who told me a method he used for cheating in exams. It is similar to one i posted a few months ago, used by another acquaintance - involving asking for extra paper, smuggling it out of the exam room at the end, writing all your notes on it and then freely reading it in the next exam as nobody would bat an eyelid, after all it was official exam paper.
I don't really get that. Are you saying that notes from 1 exam can help with another?Anyway, aren't exams a bit outdated? In real life, how many people really need to remember as much stuff as you need for an exam?
Ha
I just did the ACCA ones, and folk are expelled from the organisation for cheating.
You get plenty people trying to sit the exam for someone else. That one seems quite common.
I wouldnt bother, its generally a lot of hassle, plus if you get caught its not worth it, best just learning it.
Nick
I just did the ACCA ones, and folk are expelled from the organisation for cheating.
You get plenty people trying to sit the exam for someone else. That one seems quite common.
I wouldnt bother, its generally a lot of hassle, plus if you get caught its not worth it, best just learning it.
Nick
Eduaction is 99% learning and 1% the piece of paper saying you have a qualification.
I dont understand why a person values the 1% more than the 99%, but hey ho nor do i care.
I have my degrees because i worked for them, but they are only the icing on the cake.
The cake being the knowledge, understanding and ability that i possess.
I dont understand why a person values the 1% more than the 99%, but hey ho nor do i care.
I have my degrees because i worked for them, but they are only the icing on the cake.
The cake being the knowledge, understanding and ability that i possess.
mouseymousey said:
ab@ said:
This was done in some form earlier this year i seem to remember... but, I was chatting today to a guy I went to uni with who told me a method he used for cheating in exams. It is similar to one i posted a few months ago, used by another acquaintance - involving asking for extra paper, smuggling it out of the exam room at the end, writing all your notes on it and then freely reading it in the next exam as nobody would bat an eyelid, after all it was official exam paper.
I don't really get that. Are you saying that notes from 1 exam can help with another?Anyway, aren't exams a bit outdated? In real life, how many people really need to remember as much stuff as you need for an exam?
Nowadays you are taught to pass the exam. You therefore learn very little about the wider subject, obtain no understanding of the deeper meanings and tend to lack any real world link with what you have actually learnt.
I just finished a Masters. At the beginning we were told by the lecturers "do what we tell you: read everything we tell you, read your notes, do the further reading, read around the subject, read associated pieces, articels etc etc. This way you will understand the subject, and come exam time you will not need to revise you will only have to remind yourself of key issues"
It took two years of 4 hours a day, 7 days a week reading let alone coursework research and lectures.
Come the exams, the lecturers were of course right, and revision was simply reminding myself.
I left with knowledge and a piece of paper.
I mentioned this in another thread earlier. Girl I knew at uni was able to get a job speaking french down to a piece of degree paper. Problem is that she cannot read,write,hear or speak french! She can do the basics, but nothing you would call "advanced".
How did she pass? All assignment work was completed by her penfriend, and she just scraped through the oral and in-uni tests so she could get a pass grade.
Excuse was "exam stress", and again I don't think lecturers are bothered about it either because if students are passing it makes them look good.
How did she pass? All assignment work was completed by her penfriend, and she just scraped through the oral and in-uni tests so she could get a pass grade.
Excuse was "exam stress", and again I don't think lecturers are bothered about it either because if students are passing it makes them look good.
Monki said:
I mentioned this in another thread earlier. Girl I knew at uni was able to get a job speaking french down to a piece of degree paper. Problem is that she cannot read,write,hear or speak french! She can do the basics, but nothing you would call "advanced".
How did she pass? All assignment work was completed by her penfriend, and she just scraped through the oral and in-uni tests so she could get a pass grade.
Excuse was "exam stress", and again I don't think lecturers are bothered about it either because if students are passing it makes them look good.
How long will she keep her job i wonder !? How did she pass? All assignment work was completed by her penfriend, and she just scraped through the oral and in-uni tests so she could get a pass grade.
Excuse was "exam stress", and again I don't think lecturers are bothered about it either because if students are passing it makes them look good.
mouseymousey said:
I don't really get that. Are you saying that notes from 1 exam can help with another?
Take blank exam script home after exam. Write notes for next exam on it.
'Produce' official exam paper script with your notes on it at next exam.
Write gloriously brilliant exam answers based on comprehensive cheating notes. Exam room staff none the wiser due to regulation looking papers.
ETA Damn and blast, beaten to it...
Edited by captainzep on Tuesday 5th August 13:38
I never saw anyone cheat in an exam at uni. I did however submit exactly the same answers to a piece of coursework that was just answers to maths questions as a friend. I got a 40%, he got 72% - i.e. a percentage point less and he would still get a 1st and I would have failed!
That was just the most stark example of many. I didn't have much faith in the marking.
That was just the most stark example of many. I didn't have much faith in the marking.
FourWheelDrift said:
mouseymousey said:
I don't really get that. Are you saying that notes from 1 exam can help with another?
No you get the extra paper from for example your Geography exam, then write all your Biology notes on it to take into your Biology exam, repeat as needed.But you are only cheating yourself.
FourWheelDrift said:
mouseymousey said:
I don't really get that. Are you saying that notes from 1 exam can help with another?
No you get the extra paper from for example your Geography exam, then write all your Biology notes on it to take into your Biology exam, repeat as needed.And thanks to Captainzep too
Many moons ago I was taking an exam in a room by myself, it was my 3rd and final try and after that I would be kept back a year.
Out of the 8 questions I had to get 4 of the first 6 right, then the last 2 correct. I whizzed through the first seven but the same problem i'd struggled with for so long still eluded me. I did it as best I could but panicked.
I went to try and find my tutor but he wasn't in his office, I went back to my room and he hadn't gone there.
The next 20 minutes were a blur of redlined 405 SRI and cornering not seen since Sennas passing.
I went to a very clever colleague of mine who looked at it for 2 minutes and said i'd got it right, so now I was really panicing. I stopped the car and the poor thing was groaning and ticking away, legged it to my room and luckily on the way I saw my lecturer and he congratulated me.
I had to sit in the car for 15 minutes for my heart rate to drop.
Stupid thing to do, glad i'm more grown up now.
Dave!
Out of the 8 questions I had to get 4 of the first 6 right, then the last 2 correct. I whizzed through the first seven but the same problem i'd struggled with for so long still eluded me. I did it as best I could but panicked.
I went to try and find my tutor but he wasn't in his office, I went back to my room and he hadn't gone there.
The next 20 minutes were a blur of redlined 405 SRI and cornering not seen since Sennas passing.
I went to a very clever colleague of mine who looked at it for 2 minutes and said i'd got it right, so now I was really panicing. I stopped the car and the poor thing was groaning and ticking away, legged it to my room and luckily on the way I saw my lecturer and he congratulated me.
I had to sit in the car for 15 minutes for my heart rate to drop.
Stupid thing to do, glad i'm more grown up now.
Dave!
ab@ said:
FourWheelDrift said:
mouseymousey said:
I don't really get that. Are you saying that notes from 1 exam can help with another?
No you get the extra paper from for example your Geography exam, then write all your Biology notes on it to take into your Biology exam, repeat as needed.But you are only cheating yourself.
They were so strict that if you so spoke after the exam was finished whilst still in the exam hall papers would and could be ripped up.
The best cheating (that was called revision for me!) I ever did was in my final year. I studied and studied and studied some more that I knew a couple of modules so well that I felt like I was cheating the exams went so well!
Oddly enough, I always did better in the exams I thought I was destined to fail..perhaps because I tried that much harder?
A trick i saw at uni was to get one of the graphical scientific calculators and just store all your important notes in that. In the exam they would just think you were working something out when you were actually reading your notes.
Back fired in one exam though. An invigilator went round resetting all the calculators in the room (they can do that). This wiped all the memory. You could tell some people were gutted.....
Back fired in one exam though. An invigilator went round resetting all the calculators in the room (they can do that). This wiped all the memory. You could tell some people were gutted.....
cs02rm0 said:
I never saw anyone cheat in an exam at uni. I did however submit exactly the same answers to a piece of coursework that was just answers to maths questions as a friend. I got a 40%, he got 72% - i.e. a percentage point less and he would still get a 1st and I would have failed!
That was just the most stark example of many. I didn't have much faith in the marking.
Or maybe they were onto you, if you copied his answers and they knew he was the brains then they were daring you to complain and then they'd have proof you cheated. That was just the most stark example of many. I didn't have much faith in the marking.
It's much easier to pay someone in India to do it like I did once or twice.
After doing the finals for a Masters degree, we all headed off to the pub to celebrate the end of the exams. After a pint or two one guy realised that he had taken his exam paper out of the exam - his answers!
He sprinted / wobbled back to the exam hall and handed them in, Thankfully they were accepted and he got his 2.1.
He sprinted / wobbled back to the exam hall and handed them in, Thankfully they were accepted and he got his 2.1.
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