What's with all this China bashing on the news?

[groucho]

Everyday!

[madbadger]

Probably all the genocide.

[mat205125]

Easy target to blame global resession, and hence a fked uk economy.

[groucho]

madbadger said:

Probably all the genocide.

Why, are they playing over there?

[The Ben]

What has brown done now????

He cant leave anything alone can he!!!

[grumbledoak]

Could it be all the politicians jetting off on a jolly to slap each others' backs while being shown around a 'China' that bears no more relation to the reality of life there than, say, Disneyland Paris?

[SS HSV]

Let's just hope that China doesn't decide to bash back then eh?

[pugwash4x4]

i'm glad it's not just me wondering about it then

BBC has gone all self righteous about how crap china is and how perfect we are!!! of course the UK is the MOST free country in the world! Frankly i'd rather live in china than UK at the moment.

[Jasandjules]

groucho said:

Everyday!

Nothing else to do as the rest of the news shows the incompetent shower of s***e in power for what they are, so the unbiased BBC deflects flak?

[tinman0]

pugwash4x4 said:

BBC has gone all self righteous about how crap china is and how perfect we are!!! of course the UK is the MOST free country in the world! Frankly i'd rather live in china than UK at the moment.

You need your brains tested then. Why do you think Chinese immigrants are roaming Calais to get into the UK? Must be because its so good in China obviously.

[rsv gone!]

...Maybe because;

1. Their human rights record is attrocious
2. They come down heavy on any dissent including protests at the corrupt distribution of aid in the wake of the Sichuan Province quakes. Don't even ask what happened to the chap who lay down in front of the tank in Tiannamen! (Many of them were shot and their relatives sent the bill for the bullet!)
3. They have bulldozered and displaced thousands of people to create the Olympic area.
4. Factories, construction sites and other noisy or polluting businesses and activities have been halted to allow the air to clear up for foreign visitors.
5. They organise 'riots' when they have a point to make like the US bombing of the Chinese embassy in Iraq or their soldiers who dressed up as Tibetan monks.
6. Their local government is incredibly corrupt and they would happily make a few yuan rather than help their citizens.
7. You REALLY don't want to be a Chinese miner.
8. They execute the greatest number of people in the world (numbers hidden, though) and then sell the organs to the world market. People can be executed for offences including fraud.
9. Etc.........

Still a fascinating place and one I intend to visit very soon.

Edited by rsv gone! on Tuesday 5th August 19:54

[N Dentressangle]

pugwash4x4 said:

i'm glad it's not just me wondering about it then

BBC has gone all self righteous about how crap china is and how perfect we are!!! of course the UK is the MOST free country in the world! Frankly i'd rather live in china than UK at the moment.

I'm sure you'll find a few million Chinese who'll happily swap with you.

By any Western standards you'd like to apply, China falls into the category of "not very nice, really".

Human rights, democracy, human dignity, freedom of speech: you can forget all of them in China. That might be the reason for the "China bashing". Blimey, as if Tiananmen Square doesn't give you enough clues as to what kind of a country it is?

[pugwash4x4]

N Dentressangle said:

pugwash4x4 said:

i'm glad it's not just me wondering about it then

BBC has gone all self righteous about how crap china is and how perfect we are!!! of course the UK is the MOST free country in the world! Frankly i'd rather live in china than UK at the moment.

I'm sure you'll find a few million Chinese who'll happily swap with you.

By any Western standards you'd like to apply, China falls into the category of "not very nice, really".

Human rights, democracy, human dignity, freedom of speech: you can forget all of them in China. That might be the reason for the "China bashing". Blimey, as if Tiananmen Square doesn't give you enough clues as to what kind of a country it is?

and yet china has a bigger middle class than the whole of Europe?

i'm not denying that China is a pretty horrid place, but from where i'm sitting this country is moving closer to a 1984 "paradise" whilst Chine is moving away. How can that be right?

[Exige77]

I spent a lot of time in China during last 10 years.

It is the worst thing that has happened to the world in recent times.

Most polluting, wastfull, inneficient and corrupt country.

Now a lot of ignorant people (don't mean that as an insult but in it's true meaning) have got very rich very quick.

The government have built a few tall buildings, a few long bridges and some fast railway lines and "hey" a miracle we now have a civilised country. Could not be further from the truth. If you knew China you would be having a pop at them also.

We all want cheap goods so we do business in China but if people knew what it was really like I am sure people would think twice.

Just my 2p worth.

Ex77

[N Dentressangle]

pugwash4x4 said:

N Dentressangle said:

pugwash4x4 said:

i'm glad it's not just me wondering about it then

BBC has gone all self righteous about how crap china is and how perfect we are!!! of course the UK is the MOST free country in the world! Frankly i'd rather live in china than UK at the moment.

I'm sure you'll find a few million Chinese who'll happily swap with you.

By any Western standards you'd like to apply, China falls into the category of "not very nice, really".

Human rights, democracy, human dignity, freedom of speech: you can forget all of them in China. That might be the reason for the "China bashing". Blimey, as if Tiananmen Square doesn't give you enough clues as to what kind of a country it is?

and yet china has a bigger middle class than the whole of Europe?

i'm not denying that China is a pretty horrid place, but from where i'm sitting this country is moving closer to a 1984 "paradise" whilst Chine is moving away. How can that be right?

I can see what you mean, but China's in a different league. Do a bit of googling, and I guarantee you'll come up with s'thing very nasty in pretty short order. Check out their application of the death penalty for example, or the bits they'll let you find out about. It really isn't good, and they're not a regime we ought to be endorsing at all.

Whatever you think of Brown and this country, it's not comparable with China. Do have a look - I'd be surprised if you're not shocked, and don't think about avoiding Chinese made goods a little.

[pugwash4x4]

N Dentressangle said:

pugwash4x4 said:

N Dentressangle said:

pugwash4x4 said:

i'm glad it's not just me wondering about it then

BBC has gone all self righteous about how crap china is and how perfect we are!!! of course the UK is the MOST free country in the world! Frankly i'd rather live in china than UK at the moment.

I'm sure you'll find a few million Chinese who'll happily swap with you.

By any Western standards you'd like to apply, China falls into the category of "not very nice, really".

Human rights, democracy, human dignity, freedom of speech: you can forget all of them in China. That might be the reason for the "China bashing". Blimey, as if Tiananmen Square doesn't give you enough clues as to what kind of a country it is?

and yet china has a bigger middle class than the whole of Europe?

i'm not denying that China is a pretty horrid place, but from where i'm sitting this country is moving closer to a 1984 "paradise" whilst Chine is moving away. How can that be right?

I can see what you mean, but China's in a different league. Do a bit of googling, and I guarantee you'll come up with s'thing very nasty in pretty short order. Check out their application of the death penalty for example, or the bits they'll let you find out about. It really isn't good, and they're not a regime we ought to be endorsing at all.

Whatever you think of Brown and this country, it's not comparable with China. Do have a look - I'd be surprised if you're not shocked, and don't think about avoiding Chinese made goods a little.

does it help that i spent much of my childhood in the New terratories in Hong Kong. I watched kids swimming over with a football as buoyancy they were so desperate to get away.

It doesn't change the fact that whilst we are getting less liberal, Chine is getting more, but it is our media that goes on about how great the UK is.

Just as the Chinese population don't see everything about their own country- neither do we!

lets just step back and think about the erosion of our civil liberties:

Actually its too depressing- and i know we all know what is happening quietly and slowly to a gradual erosion of our freedoms. Ther are already mechanisms in place to turn this country into a police state without too much hassle and it really scares me. At least with China you know what the problems are!

[burriana]

pugwash4x4 said:

and yet china has a bigger middle class than the whole of Europe?

I presume that you are talking in absolute numbers due to them being the most populous country on earth (Shanghai alone contains nearly half of Britain's total population), rather than percentile of their own population?

China is fascinating in many ways but the growth that they are experiencing is scary on a monumental scale. As their domestic demand increases the factories that we so rely on for our goods will gradually have no need to export, and then where will we be? Our own factories?

The administerial side is just a total head bang ... we cannot get any more business visas until after the Games ... so last week I had to go in on a tourist visa ... imagine what that feels like, watching a very po faced Chinese immigration official inspect your tourist visa when you already have three business visas over the last five months in your passport.

What ever way you look at it, we ignore China at our peril.

[2linesontheroad]

are they getting everyone in shanghai to breathe a little harder to clean the smog too...

[Mojocvh]

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=5754

http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/... ...............

........."By now, experimental mobile gas vans were being used by the Einsatzgruppen to kill Jews in Russia. Special trucks had been converted by the SS into portable gas chambers. Jews were locked up in the air-tight rear container while exhaust fumes from the truck's engine were fed in to suffocate them. However, this method was found to be somewhat impractical since the average capacity was less than 50 persons. For the time being, the quickest killing method continued to be mass shootings. And as Hitler's troops advanced deep into the Soviet Union, the pace of Einsatz killings accelerated."

[anonymous-user]

TBH I don't think the Chinese should have the Olympics as they have not achieved the promises they made to the IOC regarding improving human rights.

I think the western media are being a bunch of hypocrites though, we're all happy enough buying cheap stuff because it's made there. Everyone wants to trade with the Chinese so no government or sponsor is going to complain to much about what they get up to.

I hope the world's media come to London and start filming all what's wrong with the U.K. in 2012. I'm sure they could easily get some nice 'representative' clips of machete wielding British hooded teenagers.