FFS. why am I not at all surprised...?
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Tragic waste of life.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/...
Dont worry, nothing racist going on here though.
Wonder what would have been said if the tables were turned here?
Animals, they should be put down.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/...
Dont worry, nothing racist going on here though.
Wonder what would have been said if the tables were turned here?
Animals, they should be put down.
But due to the impartiality of the BBC the dead child's picture is all smart and smiley, the two convicted youths are their mugshots.
From the article it sounds as if they were both as bad as each other, with provocation and previous wounding, but the article still has a spin angle to it.
Good old BBC...
From the article it sounds as if they were both as bad as each other, with provocation and previous wounding, but the article still has a spin angle to it.
Good old BBC...
mel said:
Isn't it easy to slant a story simply by using photographs of a "victim" in his school uniform the picture of inocence and the "attackers" straight off of Crimewatch, all they're missing is the height scale behind them and holding their prison numbers.
Dead boy was 14. Muderers were 16 and 17.Dead boy doesnt have a 'police photograph' because he was already lying dead on a morgue table when those pictures of his attackers were taken.
What is it you want exactly?
Fume troll said:
Tony*T3 said:
Dont worry, nothing racist going on here though.
Wonder what would have been said if the tables were turned here?
Animals, they should be put down.
Not sure what point you're making. Stab someone to death = go to jail.... What am I missing? Wonder what would have been said if the tables were turned here?
Animals, they should be put down.
Cheers,
FT.
Tony*T3 said:
mel said:
Isn't it easy to slant a story simply by using photographs of a "victim" in his school uniform the picture of inocence and the "attackers" straight off of Crimewatch, all they're missing is the height scale behind them and holding their prison numbers.
Dead boy was 14. Muderers were 16 and 17.Dead boy doesnt have a 'police photograph' because he was already lying dead on a morgue table when those pictures of his attackers were taken.
What is it you want exactly?
This guy who ended up dead was no innocent bystander.... he was in a "gang" of his friends who at the very least gave dirty looks to another "gang" of friends (personally i imagine this will have been a fair bit more than "dirty looks")
anyway second gang feel insulted so chases after first gang.
Gangs clash, dead boy is at the very least involved in a fight in which the killer is injured. Who can say how this injury was inflicted? Maybe dead boy was also weilding a knife??
Injured killer then go after first gang, dead boy is attacked and ends up dead.
Yes kids killing kids is bad. Its shocking. No he doesn't "deserve" to be dead. Yes killer does "deserve" to be in prison.
But I have very little difficulty in believing that dead boy is not quite as innocent as his school picture would suggest.
Edited by dan1981 on Friday 8th August 16:12
Well tell me that your thought process was different to mine:
I looked at the article and saw a young innocent boy in school uniform and obviously his killers being 2 rather unpleasant black youths, my automatic all be it prejudiced brain assesed the story in picture form and came up with "evil b
ds murdered that poor young lad". I then read the article and the details about events leading upto the murder and I had to re think about the innocent young boy in the school uniform, perhaps he wasn't the angelic sweetness and light that the picture portrays. Now at no point have I said that the killers are not indeed evil personified, that they don't deserve a lengthy stretch in clinky or that the victim was asking for it. But I do wonder about his actions that led to the end result.
Now isn't it different to the thread about a 58 year woman getting pushed onto a railway line, becasue she was so obviously asking for it !!!!
I looked at the article and saw a young innocent boy in school uniform and obviously his killers being 2 rather unpleasant black youths, my automatic all be it prejudiced brain assesed the story in picture form and came up with "evil b
ds murdered that poor young lad". I then read the article and the details about events leading upto the murder and I had to re think about the innocent young boy in the school uniform, perhaps he wasn't the angelic sweetness and light that the picture portrays. Now at no point have I said that the killers are not indeed evil personified, that they don't deserve a lengthy stretch in clinky or that the victim was asking for it. But I do wonder about his actions that led to the end result.Now isn't it different to the thread about a 58 year woman getting pushed onto a railway line, becasue she was so obviously asking for it !!!!
mel said:
Well tell me that your thought process was different to mine:
I looked at the article and saw a young innocent boy in school uniform and obviously his killers being 2 rather unpleasant black youths, my automatic all be it prejudiced brain assesed the story in picture form and came up with "evil bds murdered that poor young lad". I then read the article and the details about events leading upto the murder and I had to re think about the innocent young boy in the school uniform, perhaps he wasn't the angelic sweetness and light that the picture portrays. Now at no point have I said that the killers are not indeed evil personified, that they don't deserve a lengthy stretch in clinky or that the victim was asking for it. But I do wonder about his actions that led to the end result.
Now isn't it different to the thread about a 58 year woman getting pushed onto a railway line, becasue she was so obviously asking for it !!!!
Actually, what you read in the article was the story that was told by the defendants as their 'defence' for their actions. I'd suggest it was far from the real truth. Now research some of the other coverage and you'll find that at the time the boy was stabbed he wasnt with a gang but was actually on his own. this wasnt some kind of "west Side Story" gang rumble. He was tracked down and murdered.I looked at the article and saw a young innocent boy in school uniform and obviously his killers being 2 rather unpleasant black youths, my automatic all be it prejudiced brain assesed the story in picture form and came up with "evil b
ds murdered that poor young lad". I then read the article and the details about events leading upto the murder and I had to re think about the innocent young boy in the school uniform, perhaps he wasn't the angelic sweetness and light that the picture portrays. Now at no point have I said that the killers are not indeed evil personified, that they don't deserve a lengthy stretch in clinky or that the victim was asking for it. But I do wonder about his actions that led to the end result.Now isn't it different to the thread about a 58 year woman getting pushed onto a railway line, becasue she was so obviously asking for it !!!!
For giving 'dirty looks'?
Come on. There are ways of dealing with 'dirty looks' from 14 year olds. They dont envolve murder.
Tony*T3 said:
mel said:
Well tell me that your thought process was different to mine:
I looked at the article and saw a young innocent boy in school uniform and obviously his killers being 2 rather unpleasant black youths, my automatic all be it prejudiced brain assesed the story in picture form and came up with "evil bds murdered that poor young lad". I then read the article and the details about events leading upto the murder and I had to re think about the innocent young boy in the school uniform, perhaps he wasn't the angelic sweetness and light that the picture portrays. Now at no point have I said that the killers are not indeed evil personified, that they don't deserve a lengthy stretch in clinky or that the victim was asking for it. But I do wonder about his actions that led to the end result.
Now isn't it different to the thread about a 58 year woman getting pushed onto a railway line, becasue she was so obviously asking for it !!!!
Actually, what you read in the article was the story that was told by the defendants as their 'defence' for their actions. I'd suggest it was far from the real truth. Now research some of the other coverage and you'll find that at the time the boy was stabbed he wasnt with a gang but was actually on his own. this wasnt some kind of "west Side Story" gang rumble. He was tracked down and murdered.I looked at the article and saw a young innocent boy in school uniform and obviously his killers being 2 rather unpleasant black youths, my automatic all be it prejudiced brain assesed the story in picture form and came up with "evil b
ds murdered that poor young lad". I then read the article and the details about events leading upto the murder and I had to re think about the innocent young boy in the school uniform, perhaps he wasn't the angelic sweetness and light that the picture portrays. Now at no point have I said that the killers are not indeed evil personified, that they don't deserve a lengthy stretch in clinky or that the victim was asking for it. But I do wonder about his actions that led to the end result.Now isn't it different to the thread about a 58 year woman getting pushed onto a railway line, becasue she was so obviously asking for it !!!!
For giving 'dirty looks'?
Come on. There are ways of dealing with 'dirty looks' from 14 year olds. They dont envolve murder.
BBC said:
The groups clashed twice - first in a nearby park then an hour and a half later next to a housing estate.
In the second confrontation, Martin and another youth clashed with Chin, who was left with a cut on his shoulder.
Martin then fled, chased by members of the rival group.
He fell to the ground and was stabbed four times in the back by Chin.
so basically he was fighting, possibly cut someone and then ran off, he was chased for possibly inflicting this injury and was then stabbed. Yes he was on his own - he was running away from what he'd done! In the second confrontation, Martin and another youth clashed with Chin, who was left with a cut on his shoulder.
Martin then fled, chased by members of the rival group.
He fell to the ground and was stabbed four times in the back by Chin.
Fume troll said:
Tony*T3 said:
Dont worry, nothing racist going on here though.
Wonder what would have been said if the tables were turned here?
Animals, they should be put down.
Not sure what point you're making. Stab someone to death = go to jail.... What am I missing? Wonder what would have been said if the tables were turned here?
Animals, they should be put down.
Cheers,
FT.
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