Kill it, Skin it, Wear it

[rich1231]

Anyone else watching C4 at the moment and this doc on the fur industry?

Before it started I was undecided about it.. Having just seen the film of animals being mistreated in China I am somewhat more anti.

[B17NNS]

Didn't want to watch it.

I think fur looks so much better on animals.

[Hedders]

No one should be allowed to wear any fur they didn't kill themselves.


That would stop every body from wanting to wear it.

[moleamol]

The China bit was pretty nasty and I definitely couldn't agree with anyone producing fur in that way.

[elster]

Hedders said:

No one should be allowed to wear any fur they didn't kill themselves.


That would stop every body from wanting to wear it.

What about leather?

[Fittster]

I don't see any difference between wearing fur and eating meat. Either be a vegan or use animals for food and clothing.

[Mrs Grumpy]

I didn't watch it either. I am already aware of how animals are treated in China. No need to watch it again. Apparently it is difficult to know for sure the source of a fur, so you would be unable to tell if it was from a 'humane' source - if there is such a thing.

What's the saying? It takes <insert number> of <insert animal> skins to make a coat, but only one silly bh to wear it. Can't say I see the need to wear fur.

[moleamol]

Fittster said:

I don't see any difference between wearing fur and eating meat. Either be a vegan or use animals for food and clothing.

So you think if an animal is to die then the way it dies doesn't matter at all?

[Mrs Grumpy]

Fittster said:

I don't see any difference between wearing fur and eating meat. Either be a vegan or use animals for food and clothing.

For me it's about humane treatment while the animal is alive and a decent death. I don't like factory farming. I am not vegan or vegetarian, but I do try to ensure that what I eat and wear has been reasonably treated. I know it's not an exact science.

Edited by Mrs Grumpy on Sunday 10th August 22:55

[NWTony]

Mrs Grumpy said:

I didn't watch it either. I am already aware of how animals are treated in China. No need to watch it again. Apparently it is difficult to know for sure the source of a fur, so you would be unable to tell if it was from a 'humane' source - if there is such a thing.

What's the saying? It takes <insert number> of <insert animal> skins to make a coat, but only one silly bh to wear it. Can't say I see the need to wear fur.

Perhaps you can give us a list of the things you can see a need for? I can't think of much really, I suppose the only things we truly need are warmth, shelter and food and fur provides at least one of those.

I haven't watched the entire program, just up to the anti fur film in china interview and the thing it made me think was; Don't you think by getting fur farming outlawed in places like the UK you are in fact increasing the suffering of animals as they are now farmed and slaughtered in China and the like?

I'm not criticising, feel free to wear or not wear fur as you see fit and feel free to protest about it if you don't like it (legally and without terrorising people of course). Not specifically you Mrs Grumpy btw, just people in general

[elster]

Mrs Grumpy said:

Fittster said:

I don't see any difference between wearing fur and eating meat. Either be a vegan or use animals for food and clothing.

For me it's about humane treatment while the animal is alive and a decent death. I don't like factory farming. I am not vegan or vegetarian, but I do try to ensure that what I eat and wear has been reasonably treated. I know it's not an exact science.

Edited by Mrs Grumpy on Sunday 10th August 22:55

Thats a fair point.

So instead of everyone saying no to fur. Say better cnditions for animals.

[Mobile Chicane]

I'll admit to an antique mink stole - lovely it is too - bought for £24 on Fleabay on the basis that what's done is done.

[Hedders]

elster said:

Hedders said:

No one should be allowed to wear any fur they didn't kill themselves.


That would stop every body from wanting to wear it.

What about leather?

No thats different, I wear leather.

[Pigeon]

We have artificial fur and artificial insulating materials which do the job better, more cheaply and more robustly. There is no reason for using real fur.

Leather is not a comparable case, it is a by-product of meat production as opposed to an end in itself, and it is not a material which has yet been matched by synthetic alternatives - some bikers wear Kevlar clothing but leather is still the material of choice for preventing the removal of one's own skin while one is still alive.

[LDNrevs]

Don't buy fur... yes there are humane farms in parts of Europe but only a small amount of fur comes from there. Most fur comes from China and it's a disgusting state of affairs... I missed the program but waht I've seen on another awareness program made me wretch. And it's happening right now. There's no way of tracking where fur comes from and even 'fake fur' is often real fur - chinese racoon dog; simply as it's so cheap... insane

[Fittster]

Pigeon said:

We have artificial fur and artificial insulating materials which do the job better, more cheaply and more robustly. There is no reason for using real fur.

Leather is not a comparable case, it is a by-product of meat production as opposed to an end in itself, and it is not a material which has yet been matched by synthetic alternatives - some bikers wear Kevlar clothing but leather is still the material of choice for preventing the removal of one's own skin while one is still alive.

You can tell the difference between fur and fake-fur.

So if we eat the meat from an animal you are happy for people to wear it's skin?

[LDNrevs]

Fittster said:

You can tell the difference between fur and fake-fur.

Not always so - some test was done where they took 'fake fur' trim coats from British high street stores and someting like a third was from animals. Like I said beore - Chinese racoon dog fur is so cheap that some garment makers use it over actual fake fur.

Apparently

[Pigeon]

Fittster said:

You can tell the difference between fur and fake-fur.

Sure, you can put a flame to it and see whether it melts or smells of burning hair. It looks the same, and the better quality stuff feels the same, if that matters.

Fittster said:

So if we eat the meat from an animal you are happy for people to wear it's skin?

That is not an accurate interpretation. If the animal has been raised humanely for food purposes then I see no problem with making use of what would otherwise be a waste product.

[elster]

All the arguements merely are beating around the bush and haven't come up with anything that disagrees with my idea.

Anyway I think you should look at this country's treatment of certain animals. Let alone the world over.

I know someone who has a Mink Farm and treates the animals very well. Wht not do this the world over

[Fittster]

moleamol said:

Fittster said:

I don't see any difference between wearing fur and eating meat. Either be a vegan or use animals for food and clothing.

So you think if an animal is to die then the way it dies doesn't matter at all?

I'm not advocating animal crulety, just that I see no difference between killing an animal for it flesh or it's skin. It is still dead.