Performing Rights Licence - Quick question
Performing Rights Licence - Quick question
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dave_s13

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14,031 posts

300 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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It's come up before I know but.....do you need to pay this music tax in a health care based treatment room. We're being told we can only listen to the radio in our lunch hour when no patients are in the room!!

I work as a Podiatrist (chiropodist) in a twin chair room so there's (at most) 2x Podiatrists, 2 patients and occasionally 2 carers. Usually though it's just me and a patient.

Do you really need to pay to listen to Terry Wogan in this case....can't belive it if you do!

BTW the waiting area has no music.

SpudMurphy

164 posts

250 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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In Ireland, the answer is yes. If the 'public' can hear the radio, you have to pay for a licence. For some strange reason, a television licence is cheaper than a radio licence so we play the radio through the TV!

Meeja

8,290 posts

279 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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The answer is yes unfortunately.

However, what are the chances of someone from PRS coming in to witness this huge theft of music copyright?

Practically nil.

Plus, if by some miracle they did show up, then the radio is switched off long before they get in!

dave_s13

Original Poster:

14,031 posts

300 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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What a shower of $hite.

It's not like we don't already pay the feckin licence anyway, what does it matter if you listen at work grrr mad

This is the NHS, no doubt I will soon be asked to fill in a triplicate form to risk assess the possibility of detection, resulting in all radios being banned and me signing up to go to jail if someone does get nabbed.

siscar

6,887 posts

248 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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From a legal perspective it is theft of copyright, so you should have a licence (7.55 pence per half hour per 25 people reduced on a pro-rata basis if there are less than 25!) That's if you apply before you start doing it.

Obviously if you don't get a licence they might find out and might take legal action and you might have to pay damages. Not likely if you were an office but if you have members of the public coming and going it might be different.

Jinx

12,023 posts

291 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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Surely if you listen to only Classic FM the copyrights are long out of date smile

Meeja

8,290 posts

279 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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Jinx said:
Surely if you listen to only Classic FM the copyrights are long out of date smile
The composers copyright - yes. The performers copyright - no!

Rocket Pepper

1,281 posts

247 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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Surely if it's public broadcast it's the broadcaster who need to sort out copyright as they're the ones passing the goods along for profit. The receivers of the goods are merely listening, not profiting, no matter who's in their place of work or business.


DWP

1,232 posts

246 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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Rocket Pepper said:
Surely if it's public broadcast it's the broadcaster who need to sort out copyright as they're the ones passing the goods along for profit. The receivers of the goods are merely listening, not profiting, no matter who's in their place of work or business.
All broadcasters, radio and television do pay to broadcast music. One of the reasons music radio stations allow so much chat, is to cut down on needle time and therefore save on the money paid. It all hinges on the small print. In anywhere public are admitted and music is played PRS is due. Speak to any musician you know or meet and they'll fill you in on the Musicians Union, it's power and the joy of PRS.

scoobykev15

406 posts

238 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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they are sending letters out to all businesses and also have a team of roving inspectors.i think they are doing it because of the amount of music downloaded from the net which must be affecting retail music sales and are pulling revenue in from anywhere they can to keep the likes of elton in caviar and champagne.

David87M3

1,470 posts

265 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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as radio broadcaster we pay PRS to play to the public. I have heard the PRS people fining people for having the radio on in a workplace.

maybe a court case is needed to put the pRS police in their place

As for playing a cd they yes you may/should pay as you are broadcasting/entertaining


Edited by David87M3 on Monday 11th August 14:00

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

229 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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So that means we can imprison the tw@ts that drive about in their souped up superminis with loud music blaring out for copyright infringement. Brilliant.

mulletmark

1,181 posts

254 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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Yes you have to pay.

Big deal. If you don't want to pay switch the radio off.

Pistonheads :: Getting really cross with the way life works matters

DWP

1,232 posts

246 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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rhinochopig said:
So that means we can imprison the tw@ts that drive about in their souped up superminis with loud music blaring out for copyright infringement. Brilliant.
I've often thought that would be a great idea. But most of them aren't playing music. It's thumpo crap. (an old man comments)

SS HSV

9,646 posts

289 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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SpudMurphy said:
In Ireland, the answer is yes. If the 'public' can hear the radio, you have to pay for a licence. For some strange reason, a television licence is cheaper than a radio licence so we play the radio through the TV!
Brilliant workaround! thumbup

Wonder if it applies over here scratchchin

dave_s13

Original Poster:

14,031 posts

300 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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mulletmark said:
Yes you have to pay.

Big deal. If you don't want to pay switch the radio off.

Pistonheads :: Getting really cross with the way life works matters
Oh do fvck off, you utter c0ck.

It's not as simple as that, nor is it bloody fair!

The NHS will NOT pay a PRS fee therefore I will be banned from my Radio at work, which is the only thing that keeps me sane, is that not a reason for me to get a bit pi$$ed off or is it just "the way life works"??

I pay a licence fee as it is, so does every one of my patients; all I have is a little battery powered radio, how, in the name of baby jesus, can it be anything other than robbery to make me (or my employer) pay for it again.

Baby Huey

4,881 posts

230 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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Dave, can you wear earphones? This would be a way round it.

Otherwise give the patients earplugs as they arrive.

I try not to get wound up by the modern world but this is fking ridiculous.

lunarscope

2,901 posts

273 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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The PRS are just trying it on as they are currently on a mission to recoup so-called 'lost' revenue due to illegal downloading.
IIRC, you only need to pay the PRS if the music is being played as part of your business. So, if it's for the benefit of workers in their workplace everything is fine. However, if the music could be thought of as part of the service provided to customers, e.g, in an entertainment venue or certain retail establishments, then a fee is payable.


dave_s13

Original Poster:

14,031 posts

300 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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Baby Huey said:
Dave, can you wear earphones? This would be a way round it.

Otherwise give the patients earplugs as they arrive.

I try not to get wound up by the modern world but this is fking ridiculous.
Half of my clients can't even feckin hear as it is!!

smile

RedLeicester

6,869 posts

276 months

Monday 11th August 2008
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dave_s13 said:
I pay a licence fee as it is, so does every one of my patients; all I have is a little battery powered radio, how, in the name of baby jesus, can it be anything other than robbery to make me (or my employer) pay for it again.
You pay a licence fee for your television......