Yet another non-speeding accident
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Going round that horrible roundabout at jct 30 of the M5 (only horrible because it attracts numpties like flies to the cowpat)
Said numpty is on far left lane (coming from Sowton ind est) and suddenly decides he wants to shift across 4 lanes to the far right, and does so without even looking let alone indicating.
I had to shift onto the grass to avoid being hit along with a couple of others, while the f:Censored:king prick sauntered on his merry way with DeltaF's aptly named "Numpty face" not realising the carnage caused.
This near miss happened well below the speed limit and was avoided due to mine and a couple of others excellent reactions and driving skill.
However thinking about it, next time I will let the guy plough into me and cause a 4 or 5 car accident because he was going under the speed limit and so was I hence no accident could ever have occured because it would appear that only speed kills.
Have a nice day
Said numpty is on far left lane (coming from Sowton ind est) and suddenly decides he wants to shift across 4 lanes to the far right, and does so without even looking let alone indicating.
I had to shift onto the grass to avoid being hit along with a couple of others, while the f:Censored:king prick sauntered on his merry way with DeltaF's aptly named "Numpty face" not realising the carnage caused.
This near miss happened well below the speed limit and was avoided due to mine and a couple of others excellent reactions and driving skill.
However thinking about it, next time I will let the guy plough into me and cause a 4 or 5 car accident because he was going under the speed limit and so was I hence no accident could ever have occured because it would appear that only speed kills.
Have a nice day
Hehe, yep - sounds about right.
I remember a guy with a micra sat next to me in the left lane at a traffic lighted roundabout. I was turning right, and we'd sat at the lights for a minute or two side by side.
Lights change, caught me unawares and I was still in neutral, so stick in gear and move off sharpish, as I'm a bit embarrased about holding up the traffic!Granad-flatcap-numpty-white-square-old-style-micra got off fairly sharpish, and proceeded tp straightline the roundabout, forcing me to slam on the brakes and miss the rear offside wing of his car by mere inches. I lean on the horn, flash the lights etc, but numpy grandad didn't even look in his mirror, let alone over his shoulder, and sauntered off into the distance at 20mph........
If I had a right old banger, I sometimes think I'd let the typical accident happen, and shake grandad numpty up enough to get him to pay attention to his driving in the future.
I remember a guy with a micra sat next to me in the left lane at a traffic lighted roundabout. I was turning right, and we'd sat at the lights for a minute or two side by side.
Lights change, caught me unawares and I was still in neutral, so stick in gear and move off sharpish, as I'm a bit embarrased about holding up the traffic!Granad-flatcap-numpty-white-square-old-style-micra got off fairly sharpish, and proceeded tp straightline the roundabout, forcing me to slam on the brakes and miss the rear offside wing of his car by mere inches. I lean on the horn, flash the lights etc, but numpy grandad didn't even look in his mirror, let alone over his shoulder, and sauntered off into the distance at 20mph........
If I had a right old banger, I sometimes think I'd let the typical accident happen, and shake grandad numpty up enough to get him to pay attention to his driving in the future.
madcop said:
Ghost.
You seem to have more than your fair share of these near misses and incidents of numptieness around you!
Are you sure that it is not you that is the problem?
Would some extra training not go amiss?
Thats a fair comment.
I have so many near misses because I am driving a car in and around cities and towns and I am usually driving for around 5 or 6 hours a day going from site to site.
I do drive fairly agressivly in the sense that I will stick to my lane and if someone tries to push in I will not offer them any help, unless they are indicating and dont push in.
I am actually going in for the IAM test for the motorbike and hopefully going to the RoSPA very shortly.
Also bear in mind that I live in Devon and the old fogies are the ones that I mostly have the near misses with. This particular chap was 140 years old going on 200 and cut across several lanes.
I am far from a perfect driver but I have NO sympathy for those who cant follow a roundabout as they have taken the same test I did.
Over to you....
(Sorry guys! No flammable stuff here!)
timbob said:
Lights change, caught me unawares and I was still in neutral, so stick in gear and move off sharpish, as I'm a bit embarrased about holding up the traffic!Granad-flatcap-numpty-white-square-old-style-micra got off fairly sharpish, and proceeded tp straightline the roundabout, forcing me to slam on the brakes and miss the rear offside wing of his car by mere inches. I lean on the horn, flash the lights etc, but numpy grandad didn't even look in his mirror, let alone over his shoulder, and sauntered off into the distance at 20mph........
Road Traffic Act states that if a roundabout is not marked as two lanes, it only has one lane. So presuming this r/b hasn't got white lines on it and if the old chap got away from the lights and got on to the r/b before you - and you then tried to go down the inside of him - its all your fault.
Who's the 'numpty'?
You're right though, its not speed related. Just poor driving.
Fair enough.
Even TRL only claim 30% of accidents involve speed as a contributory factor. Less than 1/3. But its all subjective anyway. Alcohol poisoning doesn't kill you, its the liver failure that does that. If you get my point. And TRL can only go by witness statements of accidents since they won't have been there themselves - and almost everyone will lie if they are asked if they were speeding.
I'll stop rambling now.
Even TRL only claim 30% of accidents involve speed as a contributory factor. Less than 1/3. But its all subjective anyway. Alcohol poisoning doesn't kill you, its the liver failure that does that. If you get my point. And TRL can only go by witness statements of accidents since they won't have been there themselves - and almost everyone will lie if they are asked if they were speeding.
I'll stop rambling now.
spnracing said:
Fair enough.
Even TRL only claim 30% of accidents involve speed as a contributory factor. Less than 1/3. But its all subjective anyway. Alcohol poisoning doesn't kill you, its the liver failure that does that. If you get my point. And TRL can only go by witness statements of accidents since they won't have been there themselves - and almost everyone will lie if they are asked if they were speeding.
I'll stop rambling now.
It is all very irritating because from a technical standpoint speed it a 100% factor! If no one was moving then there would be no collisions.
I hope the government dont read this or the next thing we see is "BLANKET 0MPH SPEED LIMIT IN FORCE TO SAVE LIVES"
Sad thing is it would work....
spnracing said:
Fair enough.
Even TRL only claim 30% of accidents involve speed as a contributory factor. Less than 1/3. But its all subjective anyway. Alcohol poisoning doesn't kill you, its the liver failure that does that. If you get my point. And TRL can only go by witness statements of accidents since they won't have been there themselves - and almost everyone will lie if they are asked if they were speeding.
I'll stop rambling now.
Erm, didn't TRL say speed was a contributory factor in 7.3% of accidents?
West Midland Traffic Accident Review puts it at less than 4% for 3 years running.
Lincs police website says 7% as we write.
gh0st said:It is very easy to forget that not everyone else on the road has the same standard of driving as most of the members of this site. I would put my Mum in the numpty category and hate being a passenger in the car with her. I also know of women who hate driving because they dont have the confidence. These people have all passed the required test so have a right to be on the road. That is the system. Plus you have to remember that unfamilar roads will cause some drivers to be hesitant. I know when I have been driving on my own trying to read roadsigns that are hidden by trees etc when you have someone 12 inches off your back bumper is not easy.
I am far from a perfect driver but I have NO sympathy for those who cant follow a roundabout as they have taken the same test I did.
Try a little consideration and a bit of defensive driving - does wonders for your blood pressure as well.
Tafia said:
Erm, didn't TRL say speed was a contributory factor in 7.3% of accidents?
Nope - see page 3 of
www.trl.co.uk/pdf/TRLNews_sep02.pdf
for what TRL are really saying.
Big_M said:
It is very easy to forget that not everyone else on the road has the same standard of driving as most of the members of this site.
I was taught by my motorcycle instructor in 1984 that :
1) The world would be safer without indicators, and it is possible to predict in 99 % of cases where a car is going with out them using them. (Try this on your way home)
2) If there are 2 likely outcomes of an event, assume that both are equally likely and act with the caution your own life deserves. i.e. there is a car on a roundabout. He could stay correctly in lane or he could cut you up. (In a car it's just body panels, but on a bike you end up on your Butt heading towards the wheels of a transit at a velocity which is concerning)
When I remember these 2 rules I find my driving is less stressful for me.
As I round the bend, the car in front sees a pheasant in the road and brakes heavily and swerves into on coming traffic to avoid it. Luckily I have already ran over 26 pheasants on this road over the last year and noticed that no one else accelerates towards them like me. Which is why there is a gap between me and Gaxaly Girl in front to allow emergency braking not to phase me out. Note to self : Take the next pheasant home and cook for sunday roast
To avoid a "touch" you really do have to expect the other driver to do something wrong and be prepared for it. In my experience, they are almost certainly going to do something wrong, especially on a roundabout for some reason.
Riding a motorcycle for a few years is good training for this. If you survive, you'll be a better car driver!
Riding a motorcycle for a few years is good training for this. If you survive, you'll be a better car driver!
After an experience I had the other day
(Numpty crane driver didnt do his wheel nuts up properly needless to say the wheel came off jumped over central reservation where I hit it with a combined impact speed of 130mph, can post photos of car)
you could just buy an old banger drive constantly and every time someone tries to cut you up, pull out in front, side of you, drives into the back of you dont swerve dont slow down just let them crash into you and claim compensation for whiplash the IN thing it seems at the mo.
You could easily make a living from it!!!
(Numpty crane driver didnt do his wheel nuts up properly needless to say the wheel came off jumped over central reservation where I hit it with a combined impact speed of 130mph, can post photos of car)
you could just buy an old banger drive constantly and every time someone tries to cut you up, pull out in front, side of you, drives into the back of you dont swerve dont slow down just let them crash into you and claim compensation for whiplash the IN thing it seems at the mo.
You could easily make a living from it!!!
Dodgy Dave said:
After an experience I had the other day
(Numpty crane driver didnt do his wheel nuts up properly needless to say the wheel came off jumped over central reservation where I hit it with a combined impact speed of 130mph, can post photos of car)
Ouch. You OK?
How badly is the car splatted?
Yeah me and misses both ok but we should be dead.
Police couldnt believe we were ok they said 9 out of 10 people die when they are hit by the size of wheel we were hit by.
I tell ya the impact was huge, the wheel struck halfway up the a-pillar a very strong part of the car, that and the b-pillar just caved in.
Its makes me laugh when i think about the forces involved in doing that and that it all happened on top of my head and i'm still here typing away although me necks still giving me jip.
>> Edited by Dodgy Dave on Friday 12th September 16:05
Police couldnt believe we were ok they said 9 out of 10 people die when they are hit by the size of wheel we were hit by.
I tell ya the impact was huge, the wheel struck halfway up the a-pillar a very strong part of the car, that and the b-pillar just caved in.
Its makes me laugh when i think about the forces involved in doing that and that it all happened on top of my head and i'm still here typing away although me necks still giving me jip.
>> Edited by Dodgy Dave on Friday 12th September 16:05
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