More Government Lies to affect Motorist?
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Hi all,
so it looks like the government have been planning more financial surprises for us motorists again, and it means we will all have to put our hand in our pockets AGAIN!!!
This probably comes us as no surprise for most of us, but by god it still pisses me off! The news I refer to comes from the TELEGRAPH (which at least supports drivers) and shows that our "elected?" government are in fact planning to test the road pricing scheme that they said (after massive re-action and protest by us public) they had cancelled....
You know the scheme, the one where they spy on where and when you drive, and how, only to charge you upto 1.30 per mile......But it's ok they say, because it will only affect you if you drive to work (or anyway in fact!!!) on the busiest roads at the busiest times!!!
"the Government is pushing ahead with plans for a national road-pricing scheme, including testing "spy in the sky" technology"
"the detailed level of planning now underway indicates the issue it set to become a key battleground in the next general election – which is likely to coincide with the trials beginning. It will leave Ruth Kelly, the Transport Secretary, particularly vulnerable as she defends her marginal Bolton West constituency. "
And:
"British motorists already pay some of the highest taxes in the world and with Government finances under severe pressure the pay-as-you-drive scheme could prove a valuable source of extra revenue for the Treasury.
It is understood that there is greater enthusiasm in the Treasury than the Department for Transport for road pricing.
However it is not known if the scheme would entirely replace existing motoring taxes or be introduced on top of them. Ministers have previously pledged cuts in other duties if the scheme is introduced."
Take a guess.....
You know it baby, I will be voting VERY clearly on this and other fuel and road tax related issues....If I can still afford to drive my bloody car, and still have a house worth 50% of what it was yesterday, or haven't been made unemployed by the collapsing economy...still, at least I will be able to console myself with the thought that my HUGELY elevated "green" road tax will be saving the planet (er, yeah?) and being used to build more less busy roads? Hmm, lets look at the fuel prices....
"The study, by the Association of European Automobile Manufacturers, shows that Britain has the highest fuel taxes of 27 European countries surveyed.
The tax is also higher than in America, Canada and Australia."
Lets not forget that ENGLAND actually produces OIL, and rather a lot of it form those North Sea fields, nice and close to England. We produce more oil, and it's local to us as well (relatively speaking, the North Sea is a lot closer than Saudi Arabia!) than most European countries, and yet we pay far more...Why? Because we are mugs, and we are being mugged!
Look at the info below:
"A study from accountants Grant Thornton shows that the rise in oil prices will see the Treasury take over £1billion extra in VAT on petrol – more than would have been garnered from the 2p duty rise. " This amount is from the VAT only, not the actual fuel tax on the motorist, or the cost charged to the oil companies drilling for oil and extracting it daily....
Do you know how much that half tank of petrol actually costs?
Well, the petrol station makes about 3-4p a litre (normally), the transport costs and storage costs are around 13p, the raw cost of the fuel is around 32p per litre (wholesale) and the petrol tax is abot 57p....so when you fill your tank with your allready taxed wages, that 50 quid equates to around 25 quid straight into the Governments silently outstretched hands.....Nice.
Still, at least all that money is being well used eh?
Roll on the election....
so it looks like the government have been planning more financial surprises for us motorists again, and it means we will all have to put our hand in our pockets AGAIN!!!
This probably comes us as no surprise for most of us, but by god it still pisses me off! The news I refer to comes from the TELEGRAPH (which at least supports drivers) and shows that our "elected?" government are in fact planning to test the road pricing scheme that they said (after massive re-action and protest by us public) they had cancelled....
You know the scheme, the one where they spy on where and when you drive, and how, only to charge you upto 1.30 per mile......But it's ok they say, because it will only affect you if you drive to work (or anyway in fact!!!) on the busiest roads at the busiest times!!!
"the Government is pushing ahead with plans for a national road-pricing scheme, including testing "spy in the sky" technology"
"the detailed level of planning now underway indicates the issue it set to become a key battleground in the next general election – which is likely to coincide with the trials beginning. It will leave Ruth Kelly, the Transport Secretary, particularly vulnerable as she defends her marginal Bolton West constituency. "
And:
"British motorists already pay some of the highest taxes in the world and with Government finances under severe pressure the pay-as-you-drive scheme could prove a valuable source of extra revenue for the Treasury.
It is understood that there is greater enthusiasm in the Treasury than the Department for Transport for road pricing.
However it is not known if the scheme would entirely replace existing motoring taxes or be introduced on top of them. Ministers have previously pledged cuts in other duties if the scheme is introduced."
Take a guess.....
You know it baby, I will be voting VERY clearly on this and other fuel and road tax related issues....If I can still afford to drive my bloody car, and still have a house worth 50% of what it was yesterday, or haven't been made unemployed by the collapsing economy...still, at least I will be able to console myself with the thought that my HUGELY elevated "green" road tax will be saving the planet (er, yeah?) and being used to build more less busy roads? Hmm, lets look at the fuel prices....
"The study, by the Association of European Automobile Manufacturers, shows that Britain has the highest fuel taxes of 27 European countries surveyed.
The tax is also higher than in America, Canada and Australia."
Lets not forget that ENGLAND actually produces OIL, and rather a lot of it form those North Sea fields, nice and close to England. We produce more oil, and it's local to us as well (relatively speaking, the North Sea is a lot closer than Saudi Arabia!) than most European countries, and yet we pay far more...Why? Because we are mugs, and we are being mugged!
Look at the info below:
"A study from accountants Grant Thornton shows that the rise in oil prices will see the Treasury take over £1billion extra in VAT on petrol – more than would have been garnered from the 2p duty rise. " This amount is from the VAT only, not the actual fuel tax on the motorist, or the cost charged to the oil companies drilling for oil and extracting it daily....
Do you know how much that half tank of petrol actually costs?
Well, the petrol station makes about 3-4p a litre (normally), the transport costs and storage costs are around 13p, the raw cost of the fuel is around 32p per litre (wholesale) and the petrol tax is abot 57p....so when you fill your tank with your allready taxed wages, that 50 quid equates to around 25 quid straight into the Governments silently outstretched hands.....Nice.
Still, at least all that money is being well used eh?
Roll on the election....
North Sea oil is in Scotland , not England, and where it comes from has no real affect on the price because it is a world traded commodity. Prices are currently falling due to the same reason they recently rose, demand verses supply. Have you not heard that people are driving less and driving slower? If we continue to use less, the price will continue to fall. Minimising consumption permanently will be good for us all because Britain is now a net importer of oil due to depletion of the North Sea fields.
Conservatives hugely increased the tax on road fuel, such that increases by this government have been modest by comparison.
Conservatives hugely increased the tax on road fuel, such that increases by this government have been modest by comparison.
Edited by herewego on Monday 18th August 10:32
herewego said:
North Sea oil is in Scotland , not England, and where it comes from has no real affect on the price because it is a world traded commodity. Prices are currently falling due to the same reason they recently rose, demand verses supply. Have you not heard that people are driving less and driving slower? If we continue to use less, the price will continue to fall. Minimising consumption permanently will be good for us all because Britain is now a net importer of oil due to depletion of the North Sea fields.
Conservatives hugely increased the tax on road fuel, such that increases by this government have been modest by comparison.
Are you sure you're not a governemnt plant. It seems that you are Anti every anti-government thread on here. I am all for different points of view but yours are always the same i.i pro goverment and anti motorist. It seems strange that you are a member of a pro motorists forum. Correct me if Im wrong!!Conservatives hugely increased the tax on road fuel, such that increases by this government have been modest by comparison.
Edited by herewego on Monday 18th August 10:32
Did you read the piece in the Telegraph though about Tim Yeo, the tory who is chairman of the House of Commons Environmental Audit Committee?
He is also non-executive chairman of a company called Eco City Vehicles plc. This is a company that plans to build vehicles which would qualify for the low or free VED.
Apparently from his seat on the above mentioned committee, he has consistently been putting the boot into conventional petrol powered family cars and the people who use them.
The tories tend to make policy based on which member has his shiny arse on which seat of which board, and Tim Yeo is a prime example of this. As things stand, under the tories we'll either all be driving electric cars or be paying heavily for the privilege of not doing so.
He is also non-executive chairman of a company called Eco City Vehicles plc. This is a company that plans to build vehicles which would qualify for the low or free VED.
Apparently from his seat on the above mentioned committee, he has consistently been putting the boot into conventional petrol powered family cars and the people who use them.
The tories tend to make policy based on which member has his shiny arse on which seat of which board, and Tim Yeo is a prime example of this. As things stand, under the tories we'll either all be driving electric cars or be paying heavily for the privilege of not doing so.
herewego said:
North Sea oil is in Scotland , not England, and where it comes from has no real affect on the price because it is a world traded commodity. Prices are currently falling due to the same reason they recently rose, demand verses supply. Have you not heard that people are driving less and driving slower? If we continue to use less, the price will continue to fall. Minimising consumption permanently will be good for us all because Britain is now a net importer of oil due to depletion of the North Sea fields.
Conservatives hugely increased the tax on road fuel, such that increases by this government have been modest by comparison.
He's wrong anyway. North Sea Oil is currently at the start of its middle 3rd in quantity terms. It's calculated that current extraction will last 20 years, by which time the remaining third (about 30 years worth) will be more economical to extract in twenty years time and onwards than it is currently today.Conservatives hugely increased the tax on road fuel, such that increases by this government have been modest by comparison.
Edited by herewego on Monday 18th August 10:32
This is not to say who benefits financially from NSO. Just that NSO is not running out.
WOO5IE said:
herewego said:
North Sea oil is in Scotland , not England, and where it comes from has no real affect on the price because it is a world traded commodity. Prices are currently falling due to the same reason they recently rose, demand verses supply. Have you not heard that people are driving less and driving slower? If we continue to use less, the price will continue to fall. Minimising consumption permanently will be good for us all because Britain is now a net importer of oil due to depletion of the North Sea fields.
Conservatives hugely increased the tax on road fuel, such that increases by this government have been modest by comparison.
Are you sure you're not a governemnt plant. It seems that you are Anti every anti-government thread on here. I am all for different points of view but yours are always the same i.i pro goverment and anti motorist. It seems strange that you are a member of a pro motorists forum. Correct me if Im wrong!!Conservatives hugely increased the tax on road fuel, such that increases by this government have been modest by comparison.
Edited by herewego on Monday 18th August 10:32
Whether this is due to demand falling off alone or alongside futures investments coming on the market is unclear though.
WOO5IE said:
herewego said:
North Sea oil is in Scotland , not England, and where it comes from has no real affect on the price because it is a world traded commodity. Prices are currently falling due to the same reason they recently rose, demand verses supply. Have you not heard that people are driving less and driving slower? If we continue to use less, the price will continue to fall. Minimising consumption permanently will be good for us all because Britain is now a net importer of oil due to depletion of the North Sea fields.
Conservatives hugely increased the tax on road fuel, such that increases by this government have been modest by comparison.
Are you sure you're not a governemnt plant. It seems that you are Anti every anti-government thread on here. I am all for different points of view but yours are always the same i.i pro goverment and anti motorist. It seems strange that you are a member of a pro motorists forum. Correct me if Im wrong!!Conservatives hugely increased the tax on road fuel, such that increases by this government have been modest by comparison.
Edited by herewego on Monday 18th August 10:32
herewego said:
Minimising consumption permanently will be good for us all because Britain is now a net importer of oil due to depletion of the North Sea fields.
Conservatives hugely increased the tax on road fuel, such that increases by this government have been modest by comparison.
Corrected version!Conservatives hugely increased the tax on road fuel, such that increases by this government have been modest by comparison.
He's wrong anyway. North Sea Oil is currently at the start of its middle 3rd in quantity terms. It's calculated that current extraction will last 20 years, by which time the remaining third (about 30 years worth) will be more economical to extract in twenty years time and onwards than it is currently today.
This is not to say who benefits financially from NSO. Just that NSO is not running out.
Rocket Pepper said:
herewego said:
Minimising consumption permanently will be good for us all because Britain is now a net importer of oil due to depletion of the North Sea fields.
Conservatives hugely increased the tax on road fuel, such that increases by this government have been modest by comparison.
Corrected version!Conservatives hugely increased the tax on road fuel, such that increases by this government have been modest by comparison.
He's wrong anyway. North Sea Oil is currently at the start of its middle 3rd in quantity terms. It's calculated that current extraction will last 20 years, by which time the remaining third (about 30 years worth) will be more economical to extract in twenty years time and onwards than it is currently today.
This is not to say who benefits financially from NSO. Just that NSO is not running out.
Why not join the Drivers' Alliance http://www.driversalliance.org.uk and help fight back.
This new organisation to support road users has been founded by the No 10 petition creator who got 1.8 Million signatures against road pricing last year. If we are to really stop the war on drivers,we need a strong membership organisation which government be wary of challenging.
Can you imagine if 10 million joined and used their votes to shape policy? No congestion charging,no road pricing,and no more taxing us off the road.
Join!
This new organisation to support road users has been founded by the No 10 petition creator who got 1.8 Million signatures against road pricing last year. If we are to really stop the war on drivers,we need a strong membership organisation which government be wary of challenging.
Can you imagine if 10 million joined and used their votes to shape policy? No congestion charging,no road pricing,and no more taxing us off the road.
Join!
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