Would This Work ??
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But would it work? I can't see any reason why not as long as you have good quality hoses etc. Methanol isn't exactly user friendly when it comes to rubber. I'm no petro-chemical genius though, so I'll wait for someone elses experience to be offered up here.
Someone must've tried it, but bear in mind that unless you make some fuelling and ignition changes to your engine then you won't benefit anyway.
It always makes me chuckle seeing people filling their bog stock cars and bikes up with V-Power or similar when the only performance advantage is a slightly lighter wallet as they've done nothing to benefit from the extra ability of the fuel to make power.
Someone must've tried it, but bear in mind that unless you make some fuelling and ignition changes to your engine then you won't benefit anyway.
It always makes me chuckle seeing people filling their bog stock cars and bikes up with V-Power or similar when the only performance advantage is a slightly lighter wallet as they've done nothing to benefit from the extra ability of the fuel to make power.
BB-Q said:
But would it work? I can't see any reason why not as long as you have good quality hoses etc. Methanol isn't exactly user friendly when it comes to rubber. I'm no petro-chemical genius though, so I'll wait for someone elses experience to be offered up here.
Someone must've tried it, but bear in mind that unless you make some fuelling and ignition changes to your engine then you won't benefit anyway.
It always makes me chuckle seeing people filling their bog stock cars and bikes up with V-Power or similar when the only performance advantage is a slightly lighter wallet as they've done nothing to benefit from the extra ability of the fuel to make power.
v-power derv IS better, and burns cleaner, i can confirm that after using it in a merc sprinter over many thousands of miles, HOWEVER, the increased mpg doesnt justify the extra cost, but the engine was quieter and did 33mpg instead of 30 on normal derv.Someone must've tried it, but bear in mind that unless you make some fuelling and ignition changes to your engine then you won't benefit anyway.
It always makes me chuckle seeing people filling their bog stock cars and bikes up with V-Power or similar when the only performance advantage is a slightly lighter wallet as they've done nothing to benefit from the extra ability of the fuel to make power.
Pure methanol has been used in open wheel auto racing since the mid-1960s. Unlike petroleum fires, methanol fires can be extinguished with plain water. A methanol-based fire burns invisibly, unlike gasoline, which burns with visible smoke. If a fire occurs on the track, there is no smoke to obstruct the view of fast approaching drivers, but this can also delay visual detection of the fire and the initiation of fire suppression actions. The decision to permanently switch to methanol in American IndyCar racing was a result of the devastating crash and explosion at the 1964 Indianapolis 500 which killed drivers Eddie Sachs and Dave MacDonald.[4]
One concern with the addition of methanol to automotive fuels is highlighted by recent groundwater impacts from the fuel additive methyl tert-butyl ether (MTBE). Leaking underground gasoline storage tanks created MTBE plumes in groundwater that eventually contaminated well water. Methanol's high solubility in water raises concerns that similar well water contamination could arise from the widespread use of methanol as an automotive fuel
One concern with the addition of methanol to automotive fuels is highlighted by recent groundwater impacts from the fuel additive methyl tert-butyl ether (MTBE). Leaking underground gasoline storage tanks created MTBE plumes in groundwater that eventually contaminated well water. Methanol's high solubility in water raises concerns that similar well water contamination could arise from the widespread use of methanol as an automotive fuel
veryoldfart said:
BB-Q said:
But would it work? I can't see any reason why not as long as you have good quality hoses etc. Methanol isn't exactly user friendly when it comes to rubber. I'm no petro-chemical genius though, so I'll wait for someone elses experience to be offered up here.
Someone must've tried it, but bear in mind that unless you make some fuelling and ignition changes to your engine then you won't benefit anyway.
It always makes me chuckle seeing people filling their bog stock cars and bikes up with V-Power or similar when the only performance advantage is a slightly lighter wallet as they've done nothing to benefit from the extra ability of the fuel to make power.
v-power derv IS better, and burns cleaner, i can confirm that after using it in a merc sprinter over many thousands of miles, HOWEVER, the increased mpg doesnt justify the extra cost, but the engine was quieter and did 33mpg instead of 30 on normal derv.Someone must've tried it, but bear in mind that unless you make some fuelling and ignition changes to your engine then you won't benefit anyway.
It always makes me chuckle seeing people filling their bog stock cars and bikes up with V-Power or similar when the only performance advantage is a slightly lighter wallet as they've done nothing to benefit from the extra ability of the fuel to make power.
BB-Q said:
veryoldfart said:
BB-Q said:
But would it work? I can't see any reason why not as long as you have good quality hoses etc. Methanol isn't exactly user friendly when it comes to rubber. I'm no petro-chemical genius though, so I'll wait for someone elses experience to be offered up here.
Someone must've tried it, but bear in mind that unless you make some fuelling and ignition changes to your engine then you won't benefit anyway.
It always makes me chuckle seeing people filling their bog stock cars and bikes up with V-Power or similar when the only performance advantage is a slightly lighter wallet as they've done nothing to benefit from the extra ability of the fuel to make power.
v-power derv IS better, and burns cleaner, i can confirm that after using it in a merc sprinter over many thousands of miles, HOWEVER, the increased mpg doesnt justify the extra cost, but the engine was quieter and did 33mpg instead of 30 on normal derv.Someone must've tried it, but bear in mind that unless you make some fuelling and ignition changes to your engine then you won't benefit anyway.
It always makes me chuckle seeing people filling their bog stock cars and bikes up with V-Power or similar when the only performance advantage is a slightly lighter wallet as they've done nothing to benefit from the extra ability of the fuel to make power.
v8 jago said:
Sorry. Didnt reailise that people drag raced with diesel 
I use petrol !! Which drag car uses diesel did you say ??
a few... I use petrol !! Which drag car uses diesel did you say ??http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=la6tgndIU8w&feat...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3HfgmWYXlvo&feat...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=z4BrHzlOOQg&feat...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=y7ukLE4-QT4&feat...
google "hal far truck dragster"...or JCB land speed record
then theres le mans+audi...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kv6Lx5eoBIE&feat...
Edited by veryoldfart on Saturday 23 August 10:55
Edited by veryoldfart on Saturday 23 August 10:55
I hope this thread isnt going to be hijacked with you adding diesel cars on. Have a think about it and realise how meaningless it was adding the diesel cars video is.. If you hadnt of put diesel i bet no one would of even mentioned diesel
Edited by v8 jago on Saturday 23 August 13:58
Liner, I use shell V power aswell with millers octain booster that is suppose to give around +4 points But i put more in than it recomends to try to get a little more, But i think i need more octain. My mate has started running methonol and said i should beable to mix a bit with petrol to get better octain but neither of us were sure. I am concidering buying some race fuel (petrol) I thought if i got 20 or 25 ltrs i could mix that in with my shel V power to raise the octain. How much is race fuel these days ??? And where is the best place to get it from ?? Im going to santa pod in a few weeks so might i be able to get some from there ?? To save on delivery charges.
Edited by v8 jago on Saturday 23 August 11:29
v8 jago said:
I hope this thread isnt going to be hijacked with you adding diesel cars on. Have a think about it and realise how meaninless it was adding the diesel cars video is.. If you hadnt of put diesel i bet no one would of even mentioned diesel
meaningless?so i can only use petrol?
oh no, sorry, nitromethane, methanol and kerosene are ok?
by the way, is "race fuel" UK duty and vat paid? otherwise HMRC could seize your vehicle if your found using it on the street.......lol
Edited by veryoldfart on Saturday 23 August 14:42
ok, so i googled your question....
Methanol. The use of Methanol enables a power increase to be obtained by the simple act of using a higher compression ratio and in fact with 10 percent the ratio can be increased by 1.5.
An engine running on 10 to 1 on petrol can now, by the use of 10 percent Methanol, run on a ratio of 11.5 to 1 provided, and we stress this point, steps are taken to enable the fuel rate of flow to be increased by a figure of 1.125 minimum, or put another way, the jet diameter increased by that amount on the diameter.
In each case, that is either Nitromethane or Methanol used as an additive, the mixture should be premixed and not just supplied to the tank relying on mixing taking place by accident as it were.
Before we leave petrol it might be pointed out while other additives are sometimes used, they do not as a result of being mixed increase the power output potential of the total fuel.
Ethanol (ethyl alcohol) and Methanol (methyl alcohol aka wood alcohol) can be used to fuel internal combustion motor vehicles, either as sole fuels or, more usually, when mixed with petrol (gasoline). As a warning, in case you think these alcohols are a cheap way of fuelling your cocktail cabinet, note that this ethanol is of a dangerously high proof and contains additives which make it poisonous (it is referred to as denatured alcohol). Methanol is well known to be a dangerous poison in its own right.
There are two generic sources of biofuels (for both biodiesel and methanol) referred to as biomass feedstock [1]. They are 'first generation' which comprise grain and other vegetable crops grown for their sugar, starch and oil content. Then there are the 'next generation' sources which comprise cellulose rich sources including wood, tall grasses, crop residues and municipal waste organics. The latter are dependent on developing technology to improve yields. Two technologies are favoured: gasification and hydrolysis using enzymes. These methods should enable next-generation to become competitively priced with first-generation sources but with the big advantages of offering the potential to dramatically increase the amounts of biofuels produced and with far less impact on the environment and ecology.
Most contemporary petrol cars will run on E10, a 10% mixture of ethanol to petrol, although warranties may state that a mix of 5% is the maximum allowed. Many major car manufacturers have developed cars which run on fuels containing higher proportions of alcohol, typically E85. Ethanol has some properties which are different from petrol; for example, in car engines, it has a higher octane rating, is more corrosive and abrasive, cleans the old deposits away (hence fuel filters, in converted vehicles, may need changing after a short time, initially), may create minor flow problems and can make starting more difficult. The national distribution network will also require modifications to some of its components, mainly because of the corrosive properties of alcohol and its ability to mix with water.
In the UK, in 2005, tax concessions for ethanol encouraged a minor shift and a 5% ethanol mixture entered the retail market. A firm called Greenenergy pioneered this and Tesco have been reported as the retailers (mainly in SE England), the ethanol source being Brazilian sugar cane. The real motivation may be cost (although the reduction in price to the UK customer is small) but even so that is no bad thing. In 2006 another supermarket, Morrisons, started selling E85 bio-ethanol in East Anglia. The 5% mix can be used in most petrol vehicles but the 85% mix is limited to a very small number of current vehicles. It is hoped that the trend continues with a significant expansion of the use of bio-ethanol in the UK, and other sources will be created, prodded by expected government policies. These are needed if vehicle manufacturers are to be tempted and oil companies are to be 'persuaded'. The way that the fuel distributors work means that they all need to cooperate for a substantial conversion to take place.
Methanol. The use of Methanol enables a power increase to be obtained by the simple act of using a higher compression ratio and in fact with 10 percent the ratio can be increased by 1.5.
An engine running on 10 to 1 on petrol can now, by the use of 10 percent Methanol, run on a ratio of 11.5 to 1 provided, and we stress this point, steps are taken to enable the fuel rate of flow to be increased by a figure of 1.125 minimum, or put another way, the jet diameter increased by that amount on the diameter.
In each case, that is either Nitromethane or Methanol used as an additive, the mixture should be premixed and not just supplied to the tank relying on mixing taking place by accident as it were.
Before we leave petrol it might be pointed out while other additives are sometimes used, they do not as a result of being mixed increase the power output potential of the total fuel.
Ethanol (ethyl alcohol) and Methanol (methyl alcohol aka wood alcohol) can be used to fuel internal combustion motor vehicles, either as sole fuels or, more usually, when mixed with petrol (gasoline). As a warning, in case you think these alcohols are a cheap way of fuelling your cocktail cabinet, note that this ethanol is of a dangerously high proof and contains additives which make it poisonous (it is referred to as denatured alcohol). Methanol is well known to be a dangerous poison in its own right.
There are two generic sources of biofuels (for both biodiesel and methanol) referred to as biomass feedstock [1]. They are 'first generation' which comprise grain and other vegetable crops grown for their sugar, starch and oil content. Then there are the 'next generation' sources which comprise cellulose rich sources including wood, tall grasses, crop residues and municipal waste organics. The latter are dependent on developing technology to improve yields. Two technologies are favoured: gasification and hydrolysis using enzymes. These methods should enable next-generation to become competitively priced with first-generation sources but with the big advantages of offering the potential to dramatically increase the amounts of biofuels produced and with far less impact on the environment and ecology.
Most contemporary petrol cars will run on E10, a 10% mixture of ethanol to petrol, although warranties may state that a mix of 5% is the maximum allowed. Many major car manufacturers have developed cars which run on fuels containing higher proportions of alcohol, typically E85. Ethanol has some properties which are different from petrol; for example, in car engines, it has a higher octane rating, is more corrosive and abrasive, cleans the old deposits away (hence fuel filters, in converted vehicles, may need changing after a short time, initially), may create minor flow problems and can make starting more difficult. The national distribution network will also require modifications to some of its components, mainly because of the corrosive properties of alcohol and its ability to mix with water.
In the UK, in 2005, tax concessions for ethanol encouraged a minor shift and a 5% ethanol mixture entered the retail market. A firm called Greenenergy pioneered this and Tesco have been reported as the retailers (mainly in SE England), the ethanol source being Brazilian sugar cane. The real motivation may be cost (although the reduction in price to the UK customer is small) but even so that is no bad thing. In 2006 another supermarket, Morrisons, started selling E85 bio-ethanol in East Anglia. The 5% mix can be used in most petrol vehicles but the 85% mix is limited to a very small number of current vehicles. It is hoped that the trend continues with a significant expansion of the use of bio-ethanol in the UK, and other sources will be created, prodded by expected government policies. These are needed if vehicle manufacturers are to be tempted and oil companies are to be 'persuaded'. The way that the fuel distributors work means that they all need to cooperate for a substantial conversion to take place.
v8 jago said:
What have i dont to get this 
All i want is a decent answer of someone who knows the answer to the original post....
I thought this part of the forum was everyone from the same sport and who respected one another.
Edited by v8 jago on Saturday 23 August 14:04
hope this helps
Steve
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