DSG Box in Kitcar?

[Bertram]

Hello,


I there anyone aware of the installation of a VAG DSG box in a kitcar or another application besides the standard installation? Does anyone know how heavy it is?
Looking for an upgrade on the Libra. I have seen this which seems fun, but the DSG might be another option?

Thanks,


Bertram

www.gtmlibra.nl

Edited by Bertram on Tuesday 26th August 08:17

[tribbles]

I have heard of someone working out the electronics to drive it, but that's as far as I know.

I would **love** to have one in my car (although I'd prefer the newer 7-speed box instead of the older 6-speed box).

[ricola]

It is fitted in the Artega GT, probably a bit too 'production' for you tho!
Rich

[Bertram]

Hmmm,

I had a look at a DSG Box yesterday. It is 50 kg more heavy than my current box, and it is HUGE. As far as I can see it will fit the engine. I have severe doubts if it will be possible to get it to work together with my 1.8 20VT engine as this combination does not exsist. I presume that there will be some sort of interaction between the ECU's of the Box and the Engine on a Golf GTI (for example) I doubt if the 20VT ECU has the required in and outputs.

50 Kg extra weight over the rear axis does not seem to be such a good idea either.

I'll look for other alternatives first

Bye,


Bertram

www.gtmlibra.nl

[Furyblade_Lee]

Bertram you mentalist, do not even think about adding another 50kgs at the back!!!!!! Try the car on track, then stick a couple of bags of cement in the boot and try agian. It will save you several thousand Guilders i promise you! ;-0

[tribbles]

Was it a 6-speed or 7-speed box?

From what I can remember about what I was told, the 6-speed box has the entire mechanism (including clutches) in oil, which is where the extra weight comes from.

The 7-speed unit uses the same amount of oil as normal gearboxes (i.e. the clutches are in air), so aren't as heavy (which is why I said I'd go for a 7-speed box).

[Bertram]

Tribbles,

I looked at a 6 speed box which is indeed much heavier than a 7 speed. The seven speed uses dry clutches, which helps in reducing the weight. The 7 speed has 5 liters less oil in it, helps too!

The problem with the 7 speed however is that it will not handle the 400 Nm of torque my engine has. The 7 speed handles max 250 Nm.

@Lee: You might not have noticed there on the Island, but here on the mainland we did change to euro's several years ago, even in The Netherlands! ;-)

Bye,

Bertram

[Furyblade_Lee]

I wondered why those dirty girls in Amsterdam would not take my money.... I thought I am not that ugly am I?

[Bertram]

Lee, let's be honest... You're ugly as ****....

On the other hand, the dirty girls in Amsterdam take most english, so you might still stand a chance...

Back on topic now...

I did find a Dutch supplier who is in the process of developping a new casing for the 02J box I am using which will convert it from H-pattern to Sequential. It is not finished yet, but it will fit my requirements perfectly. I can (don't have to) re-use my helical cut gears (less noise) and will get sequential shifting in a simular sized unit of approxemately the same weight!



Ding Dong!!


Bye,


Bertram

www.gtmlibra.nl

[tribbles]

Any details on them? From memory, I've got either an 02J or 02M, and sequential would be better than H

ETA: Or was that the Seqshift (I'd already seen them before).

EATA: No, they're Czech Republic...

Edited by tribbles on Friday 29th August 15:29

Edited by tribbles on Friday 29th August 15:34

[Bertram]

Tribbles,


Not too much detail at the moment. I spoke to the guy who makes them. He seemed to know his stuff. He apparently build gearboxes for rally, cross and race applications. He does manufacture his own gears and shafts, and wants to take the next step by manufacturing a casing for the 02A / 02J internals. This casing will then hold either his own or the standard gears, but will have a shift drum to operate the shift forks; which results in sequential control.

I'll visit him next week to see what he is really about. He does not expect to have the first prototype ready very soon.


Bye,


Bertram

[tribbles]

Sounds interesting. Luckily I'm not in any rush

[rhinochopig]

Why not use a sequential box with an air shifter and auto-blipper for clutch-less up-down changes. I had an auto-blipper on my Westy BEC and it worked really well. It worked off vacuum pressure on the TBs IIRC.

[Bertram]

Bertram said:

I'll visit him next week to see what he is really about. He does not expect to have the first prototype ready very soon.

I visited him yesterday. The guy is involved in car cross (is that English?). He is quite succesfull, he won many championships. He builds gearboxes for many customers. He developped an improved dog gear engagement system which apparently withstands the beating up involved in car cross better. He gets his own design shafts and gears made, and assembles gearboxes in the standard 02a casing.

A further development is adding sequential shifting. To do this he designed a new gearbox casing. It is very simular to the standard casing, with the addition of a shift drum just behind the clutch cilinder (i.e. on the topside of the gearbox). Because his current shafts and gears fir in the standrard casing, the standard shafts and gears will fir in the new casing.

The drawings for the new casing are ready now, the next step is to make a model which will be used to make the moulds for the castings. I have decided that I will wait for this gearbox to become available and that I will change to this setup (possibly with a new diff?) when possible. Looks very good, pictures will appear on my website as soon as I have the box. Don't expect anything in the rest of this year though....

Bye,

Bertram

www.gtmlibra.nl

[tribbles]

Still sounds interesting - next year is within my timeframe anyway!