Swapping 997tt 4 F430
Discussion
Im thinking about swaping my modified 997 with a 430, couple of questions really
Whats the F1 box like ? had use of 360 with F1 and that was ok. Loved the smg in my csl tho
Colour people who have bought Red Ferrari's did they regret it or still happy with the colour? Ive never had a red car but also ive never owned a Ferrari either
Last one :- what options should i look out for ?
Thanks
Dave
Whats the F1 box like ? had use of 360 with F1 and that was ok. Loved the smg in my csl tho
Colour people who have bought Red Ferrari's did they regret it or still happy with the colour? Ive never had a red car but also ive never owned a Ferrari either
Last one :- what options should i look out for ?
Thanks
Dave
Why on earth would you regret buying a red ferrari? Its timeless. All other colours without question are subject to current trends. When you go out on a sunny day after a zymol (or otherwise) the depth and colour of Rosso Corsa is just amazing. Nothing like the reds you see on general day to day cars.
I've never driven a manual ferrari or an F1 360, so cant compare but I do love the 430 F1 box. I especially like the easy going nature of 1st gear. Just something that always amazes me. You plant your foot and the car will undoubtedly groan trying to maintain traction, but if you're being gentle its quite happy dawdling in 1st. Something that I couldnt do in my XKR, which is supposed to be the GT.
No options are "needed", all are personal preference, or resale protectors. If you're buying red, then bordeaux or rosso stitching is a real boost to the cabin. Do you track the car? If so get Carbon brakes (if you're buying new or nearly, it will be standard anyway). I havent found a need for better brakes, even after a 2000mile blat around the alps.
I like bluetooth as a license saver, and although the satnav aint the best, its better than nothing and saved my ass many a time.
I've never driven a manual ferrari or an F1 360, so cant compare but I do love the 430 F1 box. I especially like the easy going nature of 1st gear. Just something that always amazes me. You plant your foot and the car will undoubtedly groan trying to maintain traction, but if you're being gentle its quite happy dawdling in 1st. Something that I couldnt do in my XKR, which is supposed to be the GT.
No options are "needed", all are personal preference, or resale protectors. If you're buying red, then bordeaux or rosso stitching is a real boost to the cabin. Do you track the car? If so get Carbon brakes (if you're buying new or nearly, it will be standard anyway). I havent found a need for better brakes, even after a 2000mile blat around the alps.
I like bluetooth as a license saver, and although the satnav aint the best, its better than nothing and saved my ass many a time.
Edited by kryten22uk on Tuesday 26th August 21:01
Made the same move (997TT to F430) a month ago, couldn't be happier.
The F1 box is a joy. I also had an SMG M3 a few years ago and the F1 is like that and then some, I think you will quickly wonder how you did without it. Makes those cross country dashes so much fun!
If I had one gripe about the box it's that reverse feels a bit disconnected from a cold start. Once the car is warmed up reverse is fine but if you are parking up at home or somewhere that the car will be standing long enough to cool down then park so you can drive out.
My car only had 800 miles when I picked it up so I'm presuming this is just how they are and not a result of wear.
I had to have a red one. The other colours look great but if it's your first Ferrari you really want to see that big red silhouette on the drive when you're peering through the bog window! It just completes the whole experience for me, and the previous poster was right, when freshly cleaned it's super lustrous. I hated cleaning my Porsches, I love cleaning the 430.
Some good deals to be got with a bit of pushing at main dealers but the trade in on the Pork is going to go south quickly I reckon. I got 85K for my TT and then 15K off the price the 430 had been up for 3 weeks previously so I'm not fussed if the Ferari sheds money during the coming doom and gloom.
Definitely go and drive some mate, very diferent animal from the Turbo, good luck.
brad
The F1 box is a joy. I also had an SMG M3 a few years ago and the F1 is like that and then some, I think you will quickly wonder how you did without it. Makes those cross country dashes so much fun!
If I had one gripe about the box it's that reverse feels a bit disconnected from a cold start. Once the car is warmed up reverse is fine but if you are parking up at home or somewhere that the car will be standing long enough to cool down then park so you can drive out.
My car only had 800 miles when I picked it up so I'm presuming this is just how they are and not a result of wear.
I had to have a red one. The other colours look great but if it's your first Ferrari you really want to see that big red silhouette on the drive when you're peering through the bog window! It just completes the whole experience for me, and the previous poster was right, when freshly cleaned it's super lustrous. I hated cleaning my Porsches, I love cleaning the 430.
Some good deals to be got with a bit of pushing at main dealers but the trade in on the Pork is going to go south quickly I reckon. I got 85K for my TT and then 15K off the price the 430 had been up for 3 weeks previously so I'm not fussed if the Ferari sheds money during the coming doom and gloom.
Definitely go and drive some mate, very diferent animal from the Turbo, good luck.
brad
br d said:
If I had one gripe about the box it's that reverse feels a bit disconnected from a cold start. Once the car is warmed up reverse is fine but if you are parking up at home or somewhere that the car will be standing long enough to cool down then park so you can drive out.
My car only had 800 miles when I picked it up so I'm presuming this is just how they are and not a result of wear.
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No problems with reverse on mine from cold. As an aside I've found that it's a lot easier to manoeuvre slowly in either first or reverse than the egear on my previous Gallardo's. The F1 box is a must have on a 430 IMHO. My car only had 800 miles when I picked it up so I'm presuming this is just how they are and not a result of wear.
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Thanks so far,
Anyone know anything about these cars im looking at
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/679905.htm
http://finance.autoexposure.co.uk/richardskiba/sea...
Or if I want Red and manual it will be this one
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/479379.htm
Any thoughts history or advice on these cars ?
Anyone know anything about these cars im looking at
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/679905.htm
http://finance.autoexposure.co.uk/richardskiba/sea...
Or if I want Red and manual it will be this one
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/479379.htm
Any thoughts history or advice on these cars ?
The rosso manual car at zero one has been up for sale for several months and has been steadily dropping in price. It was at £95k around two months ago from memory. It's falling in price as manuals just aren't desirable on these cars so a bargain to be had there I'd think. The carbon instrument surround must be a retro fit as the carbon pack that includes that from the factory also includes carbon paddle shifters which this car doesn't have by the looks of the pic. The black car at Richard Skiba has also been up for a while. Someone asked about it's history on clubscuderia but there were no known stories to tell I think.
isuk said:
br d said:
If I had one gripe about the box it's that reverse feels a bit disconnected from a cold start. Once the car is warmed up reverse is fine but if you are parking up at home or somewhere that the car will be standing long enough to cool down then park so you can drive out.
My car only had 800 miles when I picked it up so I'm presuming this is just how they are and not a result of wear.
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No problems with reverse on mine from cold. As an aside I've found that it's a lot easier to manoeuvre slowly in either first or reverse than the egear on my previous Gallardo's. The F1 box is a must have on a 430 IMHO. My car only had 800 miles when I picked it up so I'm presuming this is just how they are and not a result of wear.
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My driveway rises a bit on the way out it and does seem to me that the car is trying a bit harder in reverse, could just be that I am concentrating a lot more than when I just fly out forwards. Although I do recall some comments on other forums about reverse being a bit tricky.
brad
neil-f said:
So carbon brakes may be worth considering on 2nd hand purchase to keep your residual up come sale time (they are also fantastic brakes)
Neil
That depends on what school of thought you are on (and how long you will keep the car).Neil
Some people believe that when the 430 gets older (and cheaper) many purchasers at that level will run a mile at the sight of Carbon brakes, given their upkeep costs.
kryten22uk said:
neil-f said:
So carbon brakes may be worth considering on 2nd hand purchase to keep your residual up come sale time (they are also fantastic brakes)
Neil
That depends on what school of thought you are on (and how long you will keep the car).Neil
Some people believe that when the 430 gets older (and cheaper) many purchasers at that level will run a mile at the sight of Carbon brakes, given their upkeep costs.
Is the sub worth having btw
kryten22uk said:
Some people believe that when the 430 gets older (and cheaper) many purchasers at that level will run a mile at the sight of Carbon brakes, given their upkeep costs.
I'm in the above camp. It seems that the early examples of many models are the ones that become the most sought after...Fibreglass 308's check
Pre-ABS 328's check
348's (are the exception)
Early 355's might have naff clunky airbag steering wheels but they are faster.
I'd wager that a Manual 575 is a better long term investment than a F1 version and a Manual Scaglietti (rare as hens teeth and now no longer available from new) will also be relatively sought after.
The carbon brakes on an F430 are of course excellent but there is always the chance that they will need replacing at great expense - even if not many owners will ever put mega miles on them.
Put me down for a steel-braked F430 (and all the above, even the late 348!)
Hi Dave,
As the first owner of the CSL you bought and the guy who sold you the track tyres for it, here's some local thoughts on your new purchase dilema:
1. Colourwise - Go for red, you'll not regret it and all my cars have been black except my 360 CS. I was a bit wary at first but loved seeing it on the drive.
2. I'm also not usually keen on flappy paddles but again go for it in the 430 Fezza. My 360CS was great and the F430 is good step forward again.
3. Go for ceramic brakes if you can. Just make sure you have them checked thoroughly before buying the car. The only sticking point here is the mileage you might do.
The big differences you'll notice between the 997TT is the torque and speed but the Fezza makes up for it in other areas. The noise is simply awesome and driving the car is so much more of an event.
Good luck in the search and enjoy the test drives and don't forget to speak to Lombard....
As the first owner of the CSL you bought and the guy who sold you the track tyres for it, here's some local thoughts on your new purchase dilema:
1. Colourwise - Go for red, you'll not regret it and all my cars have been black except my 360 CS. I was a bit wary at first but loved seeing it on the drive.
2. I'm also not usually keen on flappy paddles but again go for it in the 430 Fezza. My 360CS was great and the F430 is good step forward again.
3. Go for ceramic brakes if you can. Just make sure you have them checked thoroughly before buying the car. The only sticking point here is the mileage you might do.
The big differences you'll notice between the 997TT is the torque and speed but the Fezza makes up for it in other areas. The noise is simply awesome and driving the car is so much more of an event.
Good luck in the search and enjoy the test drives and don't forget to speak to Lombard....
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I'm in the above camp. It seems that the early examples of many models are the ones that become the most sought after...
Fibreglass 308's check
Pre-ABS 328's check
348's (are the exception)
Early 355's might have naff clunky airbag steering wheels but they are faster.
(The early F355 had 3 spoke wheel and did not have airbags.) I'd wager that a Manual 575 is a better long term investment than a F1 version and a Manual Scaglietti (rare as hens teeth and now no longer available from new) will also be relatively sought after.(still will have lost mega bucks as all 612's do)
The carbon brakes on an F430 are of course excellent but there is always the chance that they will need replacing at great expense (come on nothing is cheap on a Ferrari) - even if not many owners will ever put mega miles on them.
Put me down for a steel-braked F430 (and all the above, even the late 348!)
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F430 from the outset has had a carbon option so early examples can/will have ccb.
The discs should last alot longer than steel, yes the pads are more expensive but the brakes are so much better.
Super Ted said:
I pretty much agree with the others but wanted to say a few things from my own experience;
My carbons offer great performance but can sometimes be a bit too much for day to day (especially when you drive something else as well that does not have them as you have to re-adjust your pedal force), the steels look tiny in comparison and almost look out of place on such a car. All the pads and one disc have already been changed at 17k. Rear pad set was £600.
I have manual, and enjoy the challenge of it shall we say, and love the fact that it will do twice as many miles on a clutch (according to my dealer, who says it is a £4k job). Although I can see the benefit of flappy paddles, there is something about getting a gear change right in a manual, as opposed to pulling on a lever.
Red all the way, although I was tempted by the Silver and red interior one for sale, and next time I will have dark silver / red for a change.
Also, try and get one with the proper sports seats - it makes driving so much more of an occasion.
How many seat options were there ?My carbons offer great performance but can sometimes be a bit too much for day to day (especially when you drive something else as well that does not have them as you have to re-adjust your pedal force), the steels look tiny in comparison and almost look out of place on such a car. All the pads and one disc have already been changed at 17k. Rear pad set was £600.
I have manual, and enjoy the challenge of it shall we say, and love the fact that it will do twice as many miles on a clutch (according to my dealer, who says it is a £4k job). Although I can see the benefit of flappy paddles, there is something about getting a gear change right in a manual, as opposed to pulling on a lever.
Red all the way, although I was tempted by the Silver and red interior one for sale, and next time I will have dark silver / red for a change.
Also, try and get one with the proper sports seats - it makes driving so much more of an occasion.
Edited by Super Ted on Wednesday 27th August 23:05
Seat options are: -
Standard seats - manual adjustment
Standard seats - electric adjustment (much better as you can tilt the seat base angle which I don't believe you can do on the manual ones)
Sports seats - carbon shelled, high backed, winged style seats which come in small, medium and large sizes.
The standard seats can also have the Daytona option which is the inclusion of the stitched leather strips on the seat faces which have a row of holes punched through their surface. These can either be in the same colour as the seat or a contrasting colour. The Daytona trim option also includes the rear cabin wall trimmed in leather with the same "Daytona" strips added to the surface.
Standard seats - manual adjustment
Standard seats - electric adjustment (much better as you can tilt the seat base angle which I don't believe you can do on the manual ones)
Sports seats - carbon shelled, high backed, winged style seats which come in small, medium and large sizes.
The standard seats can also have the Daytona option which is the inclusion of the stitched leather strips on the seat faces which have a row of holes punched through their surface. These can either be in the same colour as the seat or a contrasting colour. The Daytona trim option also includes the rear cabin wall trimmed in leather with the same "Daytona" strips added to the surface.
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