Equity Release
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Steameh

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3,155 posts

241 months

Tuesday 26th August 2008
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Right, well my old dear is finding it harder to make ends meet. She is approaching the age where equity release is allowed. There is no mortgage as that was covered when my old man died a few years back.

What I'm looking for is anyone with any experience of equity release or such schemes, and would anyone recommend it?

Thanks for any help.

Saddle bum

4,211 posts

250 months

Tuesday 26th August 2008
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Ask Age Concern and Help the Aged for an unbiased guide before you do anything else.

Wacky Racer

41,400 posts

278 months

Tuesday 26th August 2008
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Be very careful, there are a lot of sharks out there!!....teacher


Fort Jefferson

8,237 posts

253 months

Tuesday 26th August 2008
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Steameh said:
and would anyone recommend it?
No, no, no and no.

NDA

25,763 posts

256 months

Tuesday 26th August 2008
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Fort Jefferson said:
Steameh said:
and would anyone recommend it?
No, no, no and no.
And no again.

Do lots of research - it's probably the worst option to consider.

Steameh

Original Poster:

3,155 posts

241 months

Tuesday 26th August 2008
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What reasoning behind the no's?

Anyone think of alternatives, other than downsizing. My mum doesnt want to move because of memories in the house of my dad.

Matt Harper

7,059 posts

232 months

Tuesday 26th August 2008
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Steameh said:
What reasoning behind the no's?
Equity Release a.k.a. Reverse Mortgage is a legal means that the bank uses to steal your mothers house - and your inheritance. Other than that - it's great.

Vesuvius 996

35,829 posts

302 months

Tuesday 26th August 2008
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No. No. And NO.

Give her some money to tide her over.

Do NOT sell her house for 30% of its value.

LISTEN UP. THESE PEOPLE ARE C NTS

Steameh

Original Poster:

3,155 posts

241 months

Tuesday 26th August 2008
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I would except im at university and have no cash whatsoever.

Tuscan Tart

2,187 posts

240 months

Tuesday 26th August 2008
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How much does she need? If it is only a relatively small amount, would a possible option be for her to take out an interest only mortgage and you and your siblings if you have any, pay the mortgage for her.

A friend's mum got a quote, they wanted to take a measly 15k but they would have had to pay back around 75k when they snuffed it.

There was also a programme on TV that highlighted the case of a little old lady that had used equity release for a paltry amount, that company then went bust and she ended up losing her house and living in council accomodation.

Get as much info as you can, but personally I would use them as a very last resort.

Edited by Tuscan Tart on Tuesday 26th August 20:54

Pat H

8,058 posts

287 months

Tuesday 26th August 2008
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I looked into this for my old Mum as a way of avoiding IHT a few years ago.

I couldn't believe how awful the terms were.

Run away, now.

drink

eldar

25,318 posts

227 months

Tuesday 26th August 2008
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Vesuvius 996 said:
No. No. And NO.

Give her some money to tide her over.

Do NOT sell her house for 30% of its value.

LISTEN UP. THESE PEOPLE ARE C NTS
What he said. Except he understates it!

Pat H

8,058 posts

287 months

Tuesday 26th August 2008
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You could both end up with nowt.

She ought to consider downsizing first.

drink

Tuscan Tart

2,187 posts

240 months

Tuesday 26th August 2008
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BAHN-STORMA said:
Tuscan Tart said:
take out an interest free mortgage
I need to get one of those!
Wishful thinking, meant interest only.


Vesuvius 996

35,829 posts

302 months

Tuesday 26th August 2008
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There's a product called a "Lifetime Mortgage"

Effectively it runs until she passes away, and all she has to pay is the interest on the outstanding mortgage each month.

My Dad died, god bless him, and Mum was left with a £40k mortgage.

She pays £250 a month interest, and when she passes away I pay the £40k off whe3n I sell the house. She does not have to pay back any capital.


It's a good safe product. Google it. Halifax do a good one.


scotal

8,751 posts

310 months

Tuesday 26th August 2008
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Look for a SHIP registered plan provider. (I can put you in touch with an equity release specialist, but they charge fees, so the last resort for me)
Your mum, and any potential benficiaries of her will(i.e. YOU) will need independent legal advice regarding the ins and out of Equity Release,be it a lifetime mortgage or a home reversion plan. Soov has mentioned Lifetime mortgage, alot of the other posters are I bet going against home reversion, both need serious consideration. The terms and conditions of these things are still evolving, and the differences between plans and providers are pretty wide.

If you want to do a bit of research, use this as a starting point http://www.moneymadeclear.fsa.gov.uk/products/equi... then follow the links to their equity release booklet.



BlueEyedBoy

1,954 posts

227 months

Wednesday 27th August 2008
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Hi there, have sent you an email. My wife specialises in these kinds of mortages, have sent you the contact details to your mail account. I'm sure she will be able to help. She will only generally advise on these if its really the best option for the client, and will look into other ways which you may not have thought of yet. Hopefully she may be able to help you out.


Edited by BlueEyedBoy on Wednesday 27th August 00:05

AstonZagato

14,280 posts

241 months

Wednesday 27th August 2008
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Most people, when they do equity release, spend the money on the house (redecorate, new carpets, even extensions). The MR provider effectively gets the benefit (eventually). Madness.

caduceus

6,130 posts

297 months

Wednesday 27th August 2008
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My understanding is that if she has say, 10k, in 10 years she will owe 10k. In 20 years, 20k. 30 years 40k, and so on.

So you can imagine, borrowing 30k will be owing 120k in 30 years. Only from what I've heard from a third party.

NDA

25,763 posts

256 months

Wednesday 27th August 2008
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Equity release a costly choice

Stephen Womack, Financial Mail

A generation of retired property owners risks losing out through signing up to expensive equity release schemes that allow them to withdraw money from their homes.

In most circumstances they would be better off selling and moving to a cheaper property.

Someone looking to release £50,000 from a £250,000 property could be more than £150,000 worse off after 20 years by choosing the most expensive type of plan, rather than downsizing.

Put another way, they are paying the equivalent of £7,500 a year to stay put.

These are the conclusions of a study commissioned by the Financial Services Consumer Panel, which advises the Financial Services Authority. The panel hired actuaries to do the number crunching.

In most cases the actuaries found the odds were clearly in favour of selling up, though in some cases a lifetime mortgage worked out better value. Home reversion plans were found to be the most expensive option in almost all circumstances.

Lifetime mortgages are loans where the interest is not paid monthly, but is added to the sum owing, increasing the overall debt. In the case of equity release, though interest rates are fixed, most loans double in size in about ten to 12 years. The loan is repaid only when you leave your home and sell it. Companies offering these loans include Northern Rock, Standard Life, Prudential and Norwich Union.

A home reversion plan works differently. The company buys a stake in your home for less than its market value, based on your life expectancy. You can remain living there rent-free, but when the property is sold, the reversion company takes its cut from the proceeds. Firms marketing reversions include GE Life, Bridgewater Equity Release and In Retirement Services.

The consumer panel report did not conclude that equity release firms were profiteering and found their products were fairly priced. But John Howard, the panel's chairman, says: 'Customers should be aware there is no obligation on advisers to tell customers that downsizing without taking any financial product is likely to be the cheapest option.'

A smaller home is also likely to have lower energy and maintenance costs and smaller council tax bills.