Non-English Managers

[Eric Mc]

I've just heard that Alex Ferguson is not releasing Owen Hargreaves for England's next international.

Raffa Benitez is also not allowing Stephen Gerard to be released for England duty.

Both cite injury worries - although both players are still available for playing for their clubs.

It really does seem to me that this phenomenon of having non-English managers of English teams does seem to be having a detrimental effect on English team squad selections. Is their some sort of conspiracy afoot?

[hugoagogo]

yes, all the foreigners are in on it, except capello

[Blue Meanie]

As far as I am concerned, the clubs pay the players wages. All too often they lose vital players for friendlies, etc, to the detriment of the team. Qualifiers, and competition is different, but I think they are within their right for friendlies.

[hornetrider]

Gerrard has been playing with a groin injury since pre-season. I believe he had an operation yesterday and will be out for around 15 days, missing the England games but also our games against Villa and Utd.

Edit: Also I don't believe Hargreaves has appeared for Utd yet this season - they are on a 2nd string midfield at the moment.

Edited by hornetrider on Friday 29th August 10:40

[Eric Mc]

Club versus country is a perennial discussion point in football. I just think that having non-English managers managing English clubs has created additional problems for the selection of the England team.

As a matter of interest, does anyone know how many of the Premiership sides are managed by English managers?

[hugoagogo]

Eric Mc said:

As a matter of interest, does anyone know how many of the Premiership sides are managed by English managers?

blackburn, bolton, fulham, hull, middlesbrough, newcastle, portsmouth, west brom, west ham and wigan

so all the good ones

[mickk]

hugoagogo said:

Eric Mc said:

As a matter of interest, does anyone know how many of the Premiership sides are managed by English managers?

blackburn, bolton, fulham, hull, middlesbrough, newcastle, portsmouth, west brom, west ham and wigan

so all the good ones

Exactly,there all bottom half contenders, bar Portsmouth

[Ferg]

I think having non-English managers is less of a problem than having players who don't give a fk.

[albundy89]

long gone are the days when a player would have walked over broken glass to play for their country,too much money has turned footballers into a legion of girls blouses who could`nt give a f--k about their country, and tell their manager to f off, I want to play.Anything less than a broken leg is no excuse at all.

[hugoagogo]

hugoagogo said:

Eric Mc said:

As a matter of interest, does anyone know how many of the Premiership sides are managed by English managers?

blackburn, bolton, fulham, hull, middlesbrough, newcastle, portsmouth, west brom, west ham and wigan

so all the good ones

updated

[Eric Mc]

Premiership Football is entering very interesting times. Are we seeing the demise of an authentic "English League" and the birth of the first "International Club League"?

[hugoagogo]

no, that was about 10 years ago

[Eric Mc]

Obviously the move towards internationalism regarding players and managers began a while ago. But now the whole ownership and financial structures behind these clubs are moving "off shore" in a massive way.

I think what we are seeing now is even more fundamental than just hiring foreign players or managers.