Taking on employees
Discussion
We have never had the need to take anyone on in our business (Two directors running the companies).
It looks like we may need to take on a "bucket boy" - basically a low paid manual runaround to do the basic stuff like prepping up the carpet machine or pretreating the rooms ahead while the director is doing the main work.
We are looking for some pointers on what liabilities we need to look out for, and how much it would actually cost in real terms to employ someone. We are looking to pay them say around £6.00pph on a 7 hour day basis, 5 days a week.
We have tried to avoid employing people for this long as most of the yoofs we see employed by fellow businesspeople are complete tossers, layabouts, and try to scam (off sick all the time / hurt back picking something up and looking for "compensation") the employer - so the real question I am asking aside from the real cost is how to protect ourselves should scum get past our interview defenses...
It looks like we may need to take on a "bucket boy" - basically a low paid manual runaround to do the basic stuff like prepping up the carpet machine or pretreating the rooms ahead while the director is doing the main work.
We are looking for some pointers on what liabilities we need to look out for, and how much it would actually cost in real terms to employ someone. We are looking to pay them say around £6.00pph on a 7 hour day basis, 5 days a week.
We have tried to avoid employing people for this long as most of the yoofs we see employed by fellow businesspeople are complete tossers, layabouts, and try to scam (off sick all the time / hurt back picking something up and looking for "compensation") the employer - so the real question I am asking aside from the real cost is how to protect ourselves should scum get past our interview defenses...
okgo said:
Hire a pole.
We have couple of guys cleaning our cars, honest guys who work hard. Well they probably are not honest but they work hard and turn up.
We thought of this... are there places where you can specifically find one, or does one just generally advertise and pick them as the best person for the job?We have couple of guys cleaning our cars, honest guys who work hard. Well they probably are not honest but they work hard and turn up.
pay peanuts, get poles...
it's probably true, however...
..even though they're thieving gypsy b
d scum, they're your thieving bd gypsy scum, so do you want to take someone on or do you want to piss another human being off...
having said that, employment law is pretty good for both sides, just get it all sown up...
Good luck...
edited to answer the last post. via an ad in a local shop - you'll get chancers, some good, some bad... go through the job centre, you'll get people who might need the government to see they have a job... or you might get a genuine applicant who you'd want to marry your daughter...
or not...
it's probably true, however...
TheCarpetCleaner said:
"bucket boy" - basically a low paid manual runaround to do the basic stuff like prepping up the carpet machine or pretreating the rooms ahead while the director is doing the main work.
This attitude may be a stumbling block.....even though they're thieving gypsy b
d scum, they're your thieving bd gypsy scum, so do you want to take someone on or do you want to piss another human being off...having said that, employment law is pretty good for both sides, just get it all sown up...
Good luck...
edited to answer the last post. via an ad in a local shop - you'll get chancers, some good, some bad... go through the job centre, you'll get people who might need the government to see they have a job... or you might get a genuine applicant who you'd want to marry your daughter...
or not...
Edited by scruffy on Sunday 31st August 10:24
scruffy said:
pay peanuts, get poles...
it's probably true, however...
..even though they're thieving gypsy bd scum, they're your thieving bd gypsy scum, so do you want to take someone on or do you want to piss another human being off...
having said that, employment law is pretty good for both sides, just get it all sown up...
Good luck...
edited to answer the last post. via an ad in a local shop - you'll get chancers, some good, some bad... go through the job centre, you'll get people who might need the government to see they have a job... or you might get a genuine applicant who you'd want to marry your daughter...
or not...
What??it's probably true, however...
TheCarpetCleaner said:
"bucket boy" - basically a low paid manual runaround to do the basic stuff like prepping up the carpet machine or pretreating the rooms ahead while the director is doing the main work.
This attitude may be a stumbling block.....even though they're thieving gypsy b
d scum, they're your thieving bd gypsy scum, so do you want to take someone on or do you want to piss another human being off...having said that, employment law is pretty good for both sides, just get it all sown up...
Good luck...
edited to answer the last post. via an ad in a local shop - you'll get chancers, some good, some bad... go through the job centre, you'll get people who might need the government to see they have a job... or you might get a genuine applicant who you'd want to marry your daughter...
or not...
Edited by scruffy on Sunday 31st August 10:24
The idea is that we want a bucket boy to do the simple manual stuff to free up one of us to do the actual cleaning and work and save time.
We are not looking for someone promote and run through the business, this is a temporary (couple of years or so) solution while we grow the buisness.
If I employ someone to literally empty buckets and prep the machines up, how am I giving any kind of attitude?!
I think what scruffy is saying is look from the employees point of view.
Employing someone and giving them all the boring and sh** jobs with zero chance of prospects is a sure fire way of ensuring you need to find replacements every few weeks. If you are lucky.
Maybe an approach where you might look to 'train someone up' that would give them more purpose to their lives which would also increase their quality and quantity of work and how long they stay with you for.
Employing someone and giving them all the boring and sh** jobs with zero chance of prospects is a sure fire way of ensuring you need to find replacements every few weeks. If you are lucky.
Maybe an approach where you might look to 'train someone up' that would give them more purpose to their lives which would also increase their quality and quantity of work and how long they stay with you for.
If you're trying to 'grow the business', employing someone at a lower level will give a better prospect, after all, you weren't born a carpet cleaning company director...
Your bucket boy might just end up being your biggest competitor. In that case, you're better off employing him before the opposition does.
Your bucket boy might just end up being your biggest competitor. In that case, you're better off employing him before the opposition does.
JustinP1 said:
I think what scruffy is saying is look from the employees point of view.
Employing someone and giving them all the boring and sh** jobs with zero chance of prospects is a sure fire way of ensuring you need to find replacements every few weeks. If you are lucky.
Maybe an approach where you might look to 'train someone up' that would give them more purpose to their lives which would also increase their quality and quantity of work and how long they stay with you for.
This is where hiring a foreigner comes in, as from what I see they accept they will never go anywhere sadly.Employing someone and giving them all the boring and sh** jobs with zero chance of prospects is a sure fire way of ensuring you need to find replacements every few weeks. If you are lucky.
Maybe an approach where you might look to 'train someone up' that would give them more purpose to their lives which would also increase their quality and quantity of work and how long they stay with you for.
There are agencies that deal with them, where are you?
Glassman said:
If you're trying to 'grow the business', employing someone at a lower level will give a better prospect, after all, you weren't born a carpet cleaning company director...
Your bucket boy might just end up being your biggest competitor. In that case, you're better off employing him before the opposition does.
Thats true, I understand this. The growth of the business is possibly bringing in someone who runs another business in about a year, this is why we just need someone in who we have no interest in progressing. Our long term plan does not involve employees.Your bucket boy might just end up being your biggest competitor. In that case, you're better off employing him before the opposition does.
Is a better option perhaps going to a manual temping agency or would we be ripping ourselves off chronically by doing this.
TheCarpetCleaner said:
Glassman said:
If you're trying to 'grow the business', employing someone at a lower level will give a better prospect, after all, you weren't born a carpet cleaning company director...
Your bucket boy might just end up being your biggest competitor. In that case, you're better off employing him before the opposition does.
Thats true, I understand this. The growth of the business is possibly bringing in someone who runs another business in about a year, this is why we just need someone in who we have no interest in progressing. Our long term plan does not involve employees.Your bucket boy might just end up being your biggest competitor. In that case, you're better off employing him before the opposition does.
Is a better option perhaps going to a manual temping agency or would we be ripping ourselves off chronically by doing this.
Glassman said:
TheCarpetCleaner said:
Glassman said:
If you're trying to 'grow the business', employing someone at a lower level will give a better prospect, after all, you weren't born a carpet cleaning company director...
Your bucket boy might just end up being your biggest competitor. In that case, you're better off employing him before the opposition does.
Thats true, I understand this. The growth of the business is possibly bringing in someone who runs another business in about a year, this is why we just need someone in who we have no interest in progressing. Our long term plan does not involve employees.Your bucket boy might just end up being your biggest competitor. In that case, you're better off employing him before the opposition does.
Is a better option perhaps going to a manual temping agency or would we be ripping ourselves off chronically by doing this.
TheCarpetCleaner said:
Glassman said:
TheCarpetCleaner said:
Glassman said:
If you're trying to 'grow the business', employing someone at a lower level will give a better prospect, after all, you weren't born a carpet cleaning company director...
Your bucket boy might just end up being your biggest competitor. In that case, you're better off employing him before the opposition does.
Thats true, I understand this. The growth of the business is possibly bringing in someone who runs another business in about a year, this is why we just need someone in who we have no interest in progressing. Our long term plan does not involve employees.Your bucket boy might just end up being your biggest competitor. In that case, you're better off employing him before the opposition does.
Is a better option perhaps going to a manual temping agency or would we be ripping ourselves off chronically by doing this.
Glassman said:
TheCarpetCleaner said:
Glassman said:
TheCarpetCleaner said:
Glassman said:
If you're trying to 'grow the business', employing someone at a lower level will give a better prospect, after all, you weren't born a carpet cleaning company director...
Your bucket boy might just end up being your biggest competitor. In that case, you're better off employing him before the opposition does.
Thats true, I understand this. The growth of the business is possibly bringing in someone who runs another business in about a year, this is why we just need someone in who we have no interest in progressing. Our long term plan does not involve employees.Your bucket boy might just end up being your biggest competitor. In that case, you're better off employing him before the opposition does.
Is a better option perhaps going to a manual temping agency or would we be ripping ourselves off chronically by doing this.
However we are open to options - I think we need to grow some more before we can offer enough to franchise.
TheCarpetCleaner said:
Glassman said:
TheCarpetCleaner said:
Glassman said:
TheCarpetCleaner said:
Glassman said:
If you're trying to 'grow the business', employing someone at a lower level will give a better prospect, after all, you weren't born a carpet cleaning company director...
Your bucket boy might just end up being your biggest competitor. In that case, you're better off employing him before the opposition does.
Thats true, I understand this. The growth of the business is possibly bringing in someone who runs another business in about a year, this is why we just need someone in who we have no interest in progressing. Our long term plan does not involve employees.Your bucket boy might just end up being your biggest competitor. In that case, you're better off employing him before the opposition does.
Is a better option perhaps going to a manual temping agency or would we be ripping ourselves off chronically by doing this.
However we are open to options - I think we need to grow some more before we can offer enough to franchise.
But I have to say Chris, if you're attitude is one that looks down at the position, you're probably not going to have a lot of success with the 'bucket boy'.
As I said, I don't look down on the position, its a position that requires no more than it says - and as such we will probably go down the temping route as we do not want someone to progress at this stage.
If I said I needed to employ a bin man to empty the bins, I would not be training them up to clean oriental rugs - its not that am looking down on the position, its simply that we require no more from the position than is required.
If I said I needed to employ a bin man to empty the bins, I would not be training them up to clean oriental rugs - its not that am looking down on the position, its simply that we require no more from the position than is required.
Ok, fair enough.
I took on a guy to help with two-man jobs, cleaing up broken glass etc... He was young and lacking in confidence. I respected him none-the-less and helped him with his confidence. Six years on, he is one of the most loyal and trusted guys I know.
He's also now more skilled than guys who have been in the trade for much, much longer.
I took on a guy to help with two-man jobs, cleaing up broken glass etc... He was young and lacking in confidence. I respected him none-the-less and helped him with his confidence. Six years on, he is one of the most loyal and trusted guys I know.
He's also now more skilled than guys who have been in the trade for much, much longer.
Glassman said:
Ok, fair enough.
I took on a guy to help with two-man jobs, cleaing up broken glass etc... He was young and lacking in confidence. I respected him none-the-less and helped him with his confidence. Six years on, he is one of the most loyal and trusted guys I know.
He's also now more skilled than guys who have been in the trade for much, much longer.
We will probably do the same once we grow big enough and choose to go that way - and if you are willing to indulge, I will probably be along to ask your advice on the subject when we go that way. I took on a guy to help with two-man jobs, cleaing up broken glass etc... He was young and lacking in confidence. I respected him none-the-less and helped him with his confidence. Six years on, he is one of the most loyal and trusted guys I know.
He's also now more skilled than guys who have been in the trade for much, much longer.
TheCarpetCleaner said:
Glassman said:
Ok, fair enough.
I took on a guy to help with two-man jobs, cleaing up broken glass etc... He was young and lacking in confidence. I respected him none-the-less and helped him with his confidence. Six years on, he is one of the most loyal and trusted guys I know.
He's also now more skilled than guys who have been in the trade for much, much longer.
We will probably do the same once we grow big enough and choose to go that way - and if you are willing to indulge, I will probably be along to ask your advice on the subject when we go that way. I took on a guy to help with two-man jobs, cleaing up broken glass etc... He was young and lacking in confidence. I respected him none-the-less and helped him with his confidence. Six years on, he is one of the most loyal and trusted guys I know.
He's also now more skilled than guys who have been in the trade for much, much longer.
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