China sets sights on rail record
Discussion
How do the Chinese manage to do this. I'm thinking it took longer to upgrade the high speed eurostar link to St. Pancreas from Ashford in Kent.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7591608.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7591608.stm
They have lots of cash, a vast amount of cheap labour, and essentially no planning laws. I was in Shanghai a couple of months ago and saw an elevated express track being built to Xi'an - if your house/village/farm is in the way don't expect much sympathy! The Chinese rail system is impressive though.
zcacogp said:
Erm ... using the UK as a yardstick for any major engineering project will always leave you feeling slightly amazed ...
Oli.
The Milau viaduct, while situated in france was designed by an englishman. I think that's wuite impressive. The milennium dome/O2 areana, whilst full of sOli.
t, is an impressive structure. The Falkirk wheel. The new wembley stadium is impressive, the spawning of the industrial revolution... Don't confuse lack of engineering talent with putting a
holes in charge of doing it.Edited by crofty1984 on Monday 1st September 13:22
I was in shanghai until August this year.
I am in awe of how they get things done over there in China.
I mean they have an idea/business proposal/devlopment plan ...whatever...they just go ahead and get it done. None of the red tape that we have over here... none of the years and years of planning applications and discussions etc.... none of the stupid health and safety regulations to hold them back..... they just get on and do it. And in no time whatsoever they have brand new buildings, infrastructure, transport etc. etc.
This does have its downside such as people having to be relocated and also the soft laws on environment..... but new big projects are usually done by european or US designers/architects... and they are done to be environmentally friendly once built.
A little known fact is that many people who are to be relocated are given decent compensation. But what is lacking is the compassion and the guidence for the people to relocate.
In my view I think the old housing in places like Shanghai and Beijing are well in need of being pulled down and replaced by modern accommodation/developments etc. It is just that the people who live there do not know any different and have been brought up in it. Sometimes I think it is for the best to have to force these people to live better. (But then living better usually means needing more money... and this then brings us into another area of discussion)
I am in awe of how they get things done over there in China.
I mean they have an idea/business proposal/devlopment plan ...whatever...they just go ahead and get it done. None of the red tape that we have over here... none of the years and years of planning applications and discussions etc.... none of the stupid health and safety regulations to hold them back..... they just get on and do it. And in no time whatsoever they have brand new buildings, infrastructure, transport etc. etc.
This does have its downside such as people having to be relocated and also the soft laws on environment..... but new big projects are usually done by european or US designers/architects... and they are done to be environmentally friendly once built.
A little known fact is that many people who are to be relocated are given decent compensation. But what is lacking is the compassion and the guidence for the people to relocate.
In my view I think the old housing in places like Shanghai and Beijing are well in need of being pulled down and replaced by modern accommodation/developments etc. It is just that the people who live there do not know any different and have been brought up in it. Sometimes I think it is for the best to have to force these people to live better. (But then living better usually means needing more money... and this then brings us into another area of discussion)
Swilly said:
It is quite funny isnt it...
China, a communist country dominated by capitalist procedure...
The UK, a capitalist country dominated by commie union and socialist public sector procedure...
...and Crossrail is pencilled in for 2016 not 2012...
8 years to build a train line? It gets worse! China, a communist country dominated by capitalist procedure...
The UK, a capitalist country dominated by commie union and socialist public sector procedure...
...and Crossrail is pencilled in for 2016 not 2012...
The sooner we tarmac the whole of the South the better - make it simple to park, stick up offices and build houses.
zcacogp said:
Erm ... using the UK as a yardstick for any major engineering project will always leave you feeling slightly amazed ...
Oli.
Really? That just slightly ignore the fact that the Channel Tunnel Rail Link was delivered on budget and on schedule and was in fact one of the best run major civil engineering projects in the world in recent years.Oli.
off_again said:
8 years to build a train line? It gets worse!
The sooner we tarmac the whole of the South the better - make it simple to park, stick up offices and build houses.
Most of it is underground, in twin tunnels, with 7 brand new underground stations.... 8 years is good going...The sooner we tarmac the whole of the South the better - make it simple to park, stick up offices and build houses.
I just hope it gives more footage like this,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw4zn-qw1oM
You get a real sense of speed as it passes under the bridge!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw4zn-qw1oM
You get a real sense of speed as it passes under the bridge!
Silver993tt said:
elster said:
Howitzer said:
I've seen why the Chinese can do things so quickly, in Sudan and Africa the quality of work is on par with a blind labradors.
Dave!
The Chinese standards are a hell of a lot better than ours.Dave!
Their Maglev train is awesome.
Germany back in the early 80's designed the system but never built a commisioned route for the train to run on. It took China a little over 2 years to design and build the Maglev route from the airport to Shanghai city.
Just over 2 years from from design beginning to working result !!
Can such a project be built that fast anywhere else in the world ?
AJI said:
Silver993tt said:
elster said:
Howitzer said:
I've seen why the Chinese can do things so quickly, in Sudan and Africa the quality of work is on par with a blind labradors.
Dave!
The Chinese standards are a hell of a lot better than ours.Dave!
Their Maglev train is awesome.
Germany back in the early 80's designed the system but never built a commisioned route for the train to run on. It took China a little over 2 years to design and build the Maglev route from the airport to Shanghai city.
Just over 2 years from from design beginning to working result !!
Can such a project be built that fast anywhere else in the world ?
Having worked on the railway I never get on trains. Most other countries I will.
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