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Storer

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245 months

Thursday 4th September 2008
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Another thread has got me thinking (it happens sometimes).

TVR claimed 0 to 60 for a 4.5 Cerbera of 3.9 seconds.

Have any of you chaps out there tested your Cerbera recently on accurate equipment?

It would be interesting to know what a 420bhp (claimed bhp in TVR figures) will actually do and also what a "normal" 375bhp 4.5 can manage.

As at Fighting Torque, wheel spin must be the biggest problem for a fast time.

touching cloth

11,706 posts

269 months

Thursday 4th September 2008
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NickCCC posted up some times using his Performance Box on this thread

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Think he managed a 4.0 dead to 60 and a 0-100 in a very impressive 8.6. Mind you his is a 440bhp RR so will be quicker than most - Having said that traction is the killer, Autocar seemingly got 4.0 dead out of the early 4.2 press car so maybe, to 60 at least, the power difference between all our cars is actually close to irrelevant as just means you feather the throttle even more, 0-100 (and beyond) is where the bigger hp boys start to show their mettle.

kojak

4,547 posts

283 months

Thursday 4th September 2008
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touching cloth said:
NickCCC posted up some times using his Performance Box on this thread

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Think he managed a 4.0 dead to 60 and a 0-100 in a very impressive 8.6. Mind you his is a 440bhp RR so will be quicker than most - Having said that traction is the killer, Autocar seemingly got 4.0 dead out of the early 4.2 press car so maybe, to 60 at least, the power difference between all our cars is actually close to irrelevant as just means you feather the throttle even more, 0-100 (and beyond) is where the bigger hp boys start to show their mettle.
So what you are saying, at least to 60, is that all us with 4.2's dont need to spend loads on remaps etc...because they are already as quick as the red roses/4.5's. winklaugh







.........................................................awaiting comments. laugh

Edited by kojak on Thursday 4th September 11:18

JensenA

5,671 posts

260 months

Thursday 4th September 2008
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In real life the 4.2 is just as quick as the 4.5. We've all been brain washed, normally people dont want the Golf 1.8, they want the 2 Litre. a 3 litre Bee Em, Nah, I want the 3.5 litre one etc etc.
Mine is a 4.5 406hp one - so in the pub I can brag that I have a bigger engine than yours, and 50hp more, and thats about it really. Out on our congested roads that extra power is irerlevant and never used. Maybe one day if we went to a deserted airstrip, and both of us managed a perfect start, and didn't fluff any gear changes, then my car would probably edge ahead of yours slightly, and pull stronger once we got over 130mph. If that really bothers you, and gives you sleepless nights, then sell the 4.2, buy a 4.5, and spend £2K on a re-map and a good exhaust system.

kojak

4,547 posts

283 months

Thursday 4th September 2008
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JensenA said:
If that really bothers you, and gives you sleepless nights, then sell the 4.2, buy a 4.5, and spend £2K on a re-map and a good exhaust system.
laugh

Reel em in. Alan...it was a little jovial banter.

Edited by kojak on Thursday 4th September 12:08

JensenA

5,671 posts

260 months

Thursday 4th September 2008
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kojak said:
JensenA said:
If that really bothers you, and gives you sleepless nights, then sell the 4.2, buy a 4.5, and spend £2K on a re-map and a good exhaust system.
laugh

Reel em in. Alan...it was a little jovial banter.

Edited by kojak on Thursday 4th September 12:08
Mine was written jovially as well, but I still think (IMHO) I have a point, I should have put some smileys in - but you know me..I like to keep the threads a bit interesting and be a pain in th a**e at times biggrin.

gattor

180 posts

236 months

Thursday 4th September 2008
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A good way of getting you 0-60 time up is to change your crown and pinion rating from a 3.45 ratio to a 3.75 or higher. Down side is you will loose top end.

Also, getting rid of Hydratrak and fitting the Quaife ATB LSD is worthwhile.

Also, noticed that Steve Heath and Silverstone Performance are offering aftermarket fitting of race logic traction control systems now, thats goto be a help on a fast launch

kojak

4,547 posts

283 months

Thursday 4th September 2008
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JensenA said:
kojak said:
JensenA said:
If that really bothers you, and gives you sleepless nights, then sell the 4.2, buy a 4.5, and spend £2K on a re-map and a good exhaust system.
laugh

Reel em in. Alan...it was a little jovial banter.

Edited by kojak on Thursday 4th September 12:08
Mine was written jovially as well, but I still think (IMHO) I have a point, I should have put some smileys in - but you know me..I like to keep the threads a bit interesting and be a pain in th a**e at times biggrin.
No probs.

One thing I didnt mention, mine has the added advantage of red calipers. smile

Joking apart. If there was a bigger difference bewtween both cars, then I think I would have upgraded to a 4.5. And when all said and done, they are both fooooking quick.

Edited by kojak on Thursday 4th September 12:32

SI-PEN

1,009 posts

267 months

Thursday 4th September 2008
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JensenA said:
kojak said:
JensenA said:
If that really bothers you, and gives you sleepless nights, then sell the 4.2, buy a 4.5, and spend £2K on a re-map and a good exhaust system.
laugh

Reel em in. Alan...it was a little jovial banter.

Edited by kojak on Thursday 4th September 12:08
Mine was written jovially as well, but I still think (IMHO) I have a point, I should have put some smileys in - but you know me..I like to keep the threads a bit interesting and be a pain in th a**e at times biggrin.
I must say Alan, I do look out for your postings as they are fun reading most of the time. By the way, do you sleep with that computer!?

Storer

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5,024 posts

245 months

Thursday 4th September 2008
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So has nobody done a before and after speed comparison (standard 4.5 versus modified)?

Brummmie

5,284 posts

251 months

Thursday 4th September 2008
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mine is a highly modified 4.2 and as such has done the quickest qtr time so far!

Greeny

1,423 posts

289 months

Thursday 4th September 2008
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Brummie, I think your post is missing a smilie

Edited by Greeny on Thursday 4th September 14:32

JensenA

5,671 posts

260 months

Thursday 4th September 2008
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Brummmie said:
mine is a highly modified 4.2 and as such has done the quickest qtr time so far!
Yes we know Brummie - you keep telling us all the time.

Brummmie

5,284 posts

251 months

Thursday 4th September 2008
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reeled, caught and in the keep net...

BCA

8,651 posts

287 months

Thursday 4th September 2008
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I'll get some data at the speed trials. smile

Its a very slippery surface (road surface) so wont be amazing figures, but it'll give you a real world figure atleast.

MackemPete

965 posts

248 months

Thursday 4th September 2008
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Brummmie said:
mine is a highly modified 4.2 and as such has done the quickest qtr time so far!
Ahh but its not really a TVR anymore!

Storer

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245 months

Thursday 4th September 2008
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BCA
Real world is what we want. Most of us don't have tarmac like Santa Pod.

My guess, a standard 4.5 (or 4.2 for that matter) will be near 5.0 seconds to 60 on ordinary dry (if we ever get any) tarmac.

kojak

4,547 posts

283 months

Thursday 4th September 2008
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Storer said:
BCA
Real world is what we want. Most of us don't have tarmac like Santa Pod.

My guess, a standard 4.5 (or 4.2 for that matter) will be near 5.0 seconds to 60 on ordinary dry (if we ever get any) tarmac.
5 seconds. I disagree. Although I aint tested mine, but as mentioned above, didnt the press car do 4 seconds dead, and on a standard car!!

Storer

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Thursday 4th September 2008
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Being old and cynical I never believe manufacturers figures. They have a long history of tweaking press demonstrators (the E Type Jaguar being a famous case) and you may depend the car(s) used to set the brochure figures was in the "best of health".

Anyway, any standard car will probably be 10 years old now.

Byker28i

92,356 posts

247 months

Thursday 4th September 2008
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Storer said:
BCA
Real world is what we want. Most of us don't have tarmac like Santa Pod.

My guess, a standard 4.5 (or 4.2 for that matter) will be near 5.0 seconds to 60 on ordinary dry (if we ever get any) tarmac.
I've got an accelerometer that's fairly accurate. Best I had was 4.4 secs for 0-60 but I'm regularly nearer 4.8. Still blooming quick for a car. Didn't want to wreak the clutch though so haven't repeated it recently. I'm just a little nervous now on my 35K mile original clutch biggrin

I managed a 2.8 on the bike but had real trouble keeping the front wheel on the ground biggrin