Help! I got a NIP(you probably heard all this b4!)
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Hey, I was hoping somebody could help me... I just received a NIP for doing 51 in a 40 at 5am in central Manchester in August. I am now studying in America for a year. The car is registered to my Dad, he got a NIP, filled out my name, then a new one came to me by registered post, my Mum picked it up for me because I'd already left and sent it back, giving my name and address in AMERICA.... do you think they will try to send me the NIP in the US?? Or will they just drop it? How long do they get to chase me for before they have to give up????? I'm coming back for a month at Xmas and I don't wanna get pulled over and have the officer find that there's an offence on my license..... what do you guys think??
Thanks alot!
Thanks alot!
chrisrothwell said:
Hey, I was hoping somebody could help me... I just received a NIP for doing 51 in a 40 at 5am in central Manchester in August. I am now studying in America for a year. The car is registered to my Dad, he got a NIP, filled out my name, then a new one came to me by registered post, my Mum picked it up for me because I'd already left and sent it back, giving my name and address in AMERICA.... do you think they will try to send me the NIP in the US?? Or will they just drop it? How long do they get to chase me for before they have to give up????? I'm coming back for a month at Xmas and I don't wanna get pulled over and have the officer find that there's an offence on my license..... what do you guys think??
Thanks alot!
they will most likely drop it.
I very much dout your hear any more.
You have an address suitable for summons in this country. It is possible that a summons will be issued to you and served on your mother or father at the address your car is registered. If this is the case, they will no doubt send the summons back to the Police stating that you are abroad for 1 year. The fact you are temporarily out of the country does not mean that they wil not pursue it. There would be a difference however if you had moved permanently to the USA.
My guess though is that it probably won't be followed up. If you get any more correspondance about this then any information to suggest you will be back within a year may have dire consequences for you. Once the summons is authenticated within 6 months (statutory limit on proceedings), it can be served even years later!
>> Edited by madcop on Thursday 18th September 09:45
My guess though is that it probably won't be followed up. If you get any more correspondance about this then any information to suggest you will be back within a year may have dire consequences for you. Once the summons is authenticated within 6 months (statutory limit on proceedings), it can be served even years later!
>> Edited by madcop on Thursday 18th September 09:45
chrisrothwell said:
...I don't wanna get pulled over and have the officer find that there's an offence on my license..... what do you guys think?? Thanks alot!
As has already been said, they *might* just drop it.
But then again, you're a UK-licence holder, with a UK address, who WILL return to the UK. So they may chose *not* to drop it.
In any case, you have NO offence on your licence, since you haven't been convicted by a court. If they try and do it behind your back while you're away, you can just plead ignorance of the proceedings when you come back and they'll have to scrap the lot. (and start again if they so wish)
Your mother has been very helpful.
madcop said:
You have an address suitable for summons in this country. It is possible that a summons will be issued to you and served on your mother or father at the address your car is registered. If this is the case, they will no doubt send the summons back to the Police stating that you are abroad for 1 year. The fact you are temporarily out of the country does not mean that they wil not pursue it. There would be a difference however if you had moved permanently to the USA.
My guess though is that it probably won't be followed up. If you get any more correspondance about this then any information to suggest you will be back within a year may have dire consequences for you. Once the summons is authenticated within 6 months (statutory limit on proceedings), it can be served even years later!
>> Edited by madcop on Thursday 18th September 09:45
so do tell em hes there for only a year just say hes there
Hmmm so my brother lives in Dubai, so I could complete any NIP I receive, claiming to live at his address in Dubai, then get him to post it back to the UK, then hope that the police take no further action? 
edited to add the smiley as something tells me this won't work!
>> Edited by chrisgr31 on Thursday 18th September 17:36
edited to add the smiley as something tells me this won't work!
>> Edited by chrisgr31 on Thursday 18th September 17:36
If you're suggesting lying to the police then you're on your own mate, as lying is a sin.
The point is that UK law expects the registered keeper to name the driver, and if that doesn't work out as planned, there's not much they can do.
Some punters WILL consider being less than 100% truthful if they feel they can get away with it, the same way some officials WILL consider stretching the definition of 'speeding' to doing 40mph on a perfectly straight and uninhabited stretch of road during midnight (because the council reduced the limit from 50 to 30 so that the newly installed scameras pay for themselves in a week!)
There are two sides to a coin - aren't there?
The point is that UK law expects the registered keeper to name the driver, and if that doesn't work out as planned, there's not much they can do.
Some punters WILL consider being less than 100% truthful if they feel they can get away with it, the same way some officials WILL consider stretching the definition of 'speeding' to doing 40mph on a perfectly straight and uninhabited stretch of road during midnight (because the council reduced the limit from 50 to 30 so that the newly installed scameras pay for themselves in a week!)
There are two sides to a coin - aren't there?
OK so I think I've got this right...
Plod knows I'm in America but he doesn't know that I'm coming back soon. For all he knows I could be here for good.
I'll *probably* hear nothing else, but there's a chance that they'll serve a summons to my folks.
Well if this happens, I'm definately gonna plead ignorance - I left before I received any notification of speeding, and my parents are not supposed to pass me the NIP so as far as I'm concerned we both did everything right.
I have heard that there is a time limit before this whole thing has to be dropped??? Is this just folklore or is there a date I should mark on my calendar???
Don't get me wrong, I'm relaxin and drinkin the bud, but my Mum would screw if she thought she might get a summons in my name!!!!!
Any more help much appreciated!
Plod knows I'm in America but he doesn't know that I'm coming back soon. For all he knows I could be here for good.
I'll *probably* hear nothing else, but there's a chance that they'll serve a summons to my folks.
Well if this happens, I'm definately gonna plead ignorance - I left before I received any notification of speeding, and my parents are not supposed to pass me the NIP so as far as I'm concerned we both did everything right.
I have heard that there is a time limit before this whole thing has to be dropped??? Is this just folklore or is there a date I should mark on my calendar???
Don't get me wrong, I'm relaxin and drinkin the bud, but my Mum would screw if she thought she might get a summons in my name!!!!!
Any more help much appreciated!
If you are proceeded against, your mum will get a summons in your name. The summons will be served on her or your dad either by post or personally by a Police officer. The summons has a copy which has an endorsement section for the person serving it. It will be filled in and certified by the person that sent or delivered the summons. The copy is then attached to the case papers and will appear at court on the day of your set hearing. The magistrates will hear from the prosecution that the summons was legally and properly served on your parents.
There is a 6 months (from date of offence) statutory limit on proceedings in these cases. If the summons is issued within that time to you and served on your parents, it will remain valid for years. If you fail to attend your given court date, a warrant for your arrest will be issued by the court for non-appearance. It will not be sufficient to claim you did not know. If your parents are decent parents, they will tell you this sort of information when it arrives. This is all worst case scenario
Just because you are temporarilly unavailable, does not mean to say that you will be forgotten about. It is after all a speeding offence and therefore very bad.
There is a 6 months (from date of offence) statutory limit on proceedings in these cases. If the summons is issued within that time to you and served on your parents, it will remain valid for years. If you fail to attend your given court date, a warrant for your arrest will be issued by the court for non-appearance. It will not be sufficient to claim you did not know. If your parents are decent parents, they will tell you this sort of information when it arrives. This is all worst case scenario
Just because you are temporarilly unavailable, does not mean to say that you will be forgotten about. It is after all a speeding offence and therefore very bad.
madcop said:
If you are proceeded against, your mum will get a summons in your name. The summons will be served on her or your dad either by post or personally by a Police officer. The summons has a copy which has an endorsement section for the person serving it. It will be filled in and certified by the person that sent or delivered the summons. The copy is then attached to the case papers and will appear at court on the day of your set hearing. The magistrates will hear from the prosecution that the summons was legally and properly served on your parents.
There is a 6 months (from date of offence) statutory limit on proceedings in these cases. If the summons is issued within that time to you and served on your parents, it will remain valid for years. If you fail to attend your given court date, a warrant for your arrest will be issued by the court for non-appearance. It will not be sufficient to claim you did not know. If your parents are decent parents, they will tell you this sort of information when it arrives. This is all worst case scenario
Just because you are temporarilly unavailable, does not mean to say that you will be forgotten about. It is after all a speeding offence and therefore very bad.
thats the worst posible but unlikely It will happen in my opinion.
OK so I should just wait it out then? If I get a summons then I'll contact the police and pay the fine and get my three points... or go to court and say "sorry, I was in America, what was I supposed to do?") but for now I should just wait and see what happens??? No one has done anything wrong in filling out the NIP so I'll just keep my fingers crossed and see if they forget about me... :S
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