Hamilton deserves his penalty
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because had he not been able to drive over the chicane, he would either not attempted the pass in the first place or would have had to break hard to avoid collision. Either way he would not have been on the tail of KR to pull off the overtaking manouver. What the stewards saw was an "ungentleman conduct" in not fully giving back KR his position. He should have allowed a bigger gap between him and KR before attempting the overtake. Had he been a little more mature he would have realised that his car was easily faster and could have overtaken on the straight.
ufoufo said:
because had he not been able to drive over the chicane, he would either not attempted the pass in the first place or would have had to break hard to avoid collision. Either way he would not have been on the tail of KR to pull off the overtaking manouver. What the stewards saw was an "ungentleman conduct" in not fully giving back KR his position. He should have allowed a bigger gap between him and KR before attempting the overtake. Had he been a little more mature he would have realised that his car was easily faster and could have overtaken on the straight.
Was it 'ungentleman conduct' for Kimi to force LH onto the grass when they came across the slow Williams ?Or to overtake under yellows ?
Or when he hit LH from behind through La Source ?
ufoufo said:
because had he not been able to drive over the chicane, he would either not attempted the pass in the first place or would have had to break hard to avoid collision. Either way he would not have been on the tail of KR to pull off the overtaking manouver. What the stewards saw was an "ungentleman conduct" in not fully giving back KR his position. He should have allowed a bigger gap between him and KR before attempting the overtake. Had he been a little more mature he would have realised that his car was easily faster and could have overtaken on the straight.
Where does it state any of that in the rules? Or are you just making up new amendments a-la the FIA?groomi said:
ufoufo said:
because had he not been able to drive over the chicane, he would either not attempted the pass in the first place or would have had to break hard to avoid collision. Either way he would not have been on the tail of KR to pull off the overtaking manouver. What the stewards saw was an "ungentleman conduct" in not fully giving back KR his position. He should have allowed a bigger gap between him and KR before attempting the overtake. Had he been a little more mature he would have realised that his car was easily faster and could have overtaken on the straight.
Where does it state any of that in the rules? Or are you just making up new amendments a-la the FIA?ufoufo said:
groomi said:
ufoufo said:
because had he not been able to drive over the chicane, he would either not attempted the pass in the first place or would have had to break hard to avoid collision. Either way he would not have been on the tail of KR to pull off the overtaking manouver. What the stewards saw was an "ungentleman conduct" in not fully giving back KR his position. He should have allowed a bigger gap between him and KR before attempting the overtake. Had he been a little more mature he would have realised that his car was easily faster and could have overtaken on the straight.
Where does it state any of that in the rules? Or are you just making up new amendments a-la the FIA?Your powers of argument aren't exactly robust are they....
ufoufo said:
groomi said:
ufoufo said:
because had he not been able to drive over the chicane, he would either not attempted the pass in the first place or would have had to break hard to avoid collision. Either way he would not have been on the tail of KR to pull off the overtaking manouver. What the stewards saw was an "ungentleman conduct" in not fully giving back KR his position. He should have allowed a bigger gap between him and KR before attempting the overtake. Had he been a little more mature he would have realised that his car was easily faster and could have overtaken on the straight.
Where does it state any of that in the rules? Or are you just making up new amendments a-la the FIA?And for gods sake, it is motor racing, the object of which is to finish in front of the other guys, and except for the one already at the front that means they all have to overtake. The real shame is that Lewis seems to be one of the few who have remembered this.
andyps said:
ufoufo said:
groomi said:
ufoufo said:
because had he not been able to drive over the chicane, he would either not attempted the pass in the first place or would have had to break hard to avoid collision. Either way he would not have been on the tail of KR to pull off the overtaking manouver. What the stewards saw was an "ungentleman conduct" in not fully giving back KR his position. He should have allowed a bigger gap between him and KR before attempting the overtake. Had he been a little more mature he would have realised that his car was easily faster and could have overtaken on the straight.
Where does it state any of that in the rules? Or are you just making up new amendments a-la the FIA?And for gods sake, it is motor racing, the object of which is to finish in front of the other guys, and except for the one already at the front that means they all have to overtake. The real shame is that Lewis seems to be one of the few who have remembered this.
ufoufo said:
andyps said:
ufoufo said:
groomi said:
ufoufo said:
because had he not been able to drive over the chicane, he would either not attempted the pass in the first place or would have had to break hard to avoid collision. Either way he would not have been on the tail of KR to pull off the overtaking manouver. What the stewards saw was an "ungentleman conduct" in not fully giving back KR his position. He should have allowed a bigger gap between him and KR before attempting the overtake. Had he been a little more mature he would have realised that his car was easily faster and could have overtaken on the straight.
Where does it state any of that in the rules? Or are you just making up new amendments a-la the FIA?And for gods sake, it is motor racing, the object of which is to finish in front of the other guys, and except for the one already at the front that means they all have to overtake. The real shame is that Lewis seems to be one of the few who have remembered this.
Edited by groomi on Wednesday 10th September 00:26
ufoufo said:
Having gained an unfair advantage by driving over the chicane instead of through it, he should have given back KR his position PROPERLY -not in the half baken manner that he did so. Rules are rules.
What constitutes properly? Kimi was completely in front, Lewis went behind him. How much more properly could he have given the place back? You obviously know more about the rules than Charlie Whiting so presumably you are one of the stewards, did both the others agree with you?
andyps said:
ufoufo said:
Having gained an unfair advantage by driving over the chicane instead of through it, he should have given back KR his position PROPERLY -not in the half baken manner that he did so. Rules are rules.
What constitutes properly? Kimi was completely in front, Lewis went behind him. How much more properly could he have given the place back? You obviously know more about the rules than Charlie Whiting so presumably you are one of the stewards, did both the others agree with you?andyps said:
ufoufo said:
Having gained an unfair advantage by driving over the chicane instead of through it, he should have given back KR his position PROPERLY -not in the half baken manner that he did so. Rules are rules.
What constitutes properly? Kimi was completely in front, Lewis went behind him. How much more properly could he have given the place back? You obviously know more about the rules than Charlie Whiting so presumably you are one of the stewards, did both the others agree with you?Edited by ufoufo on Wednesday 10th September 00:38
ufoufo said:
andyps said:
ufoufo said:
Having gained an unfair advantage by driving over the chicane instead of through it, he should have given back KR his position PROPERLY -not in the half baken manner that he did so. Rules are rules.
What constitutes properly? Kimi was completely in front, Lewis went behind him. How much more properly could he have given the place back? You obviously know more about the rules than Charlie Whiting so presumably you are one of the stewards, did both the others agree with you?Please try again.
ufoufo said:
andyps said:
ufoufo said:
Having gained an unfair advantage by driving over the chicane instead of through it, he should have given back KR his position PROPERLY -not in the half baken manner that he did so. Rules are rules.
What constitutes properly? Kimi was completely in front, Lewis went behind him. How much more properly could he have given the place back? You obviously know more about the rules than Charlie Whiting so presumably you are one of the stewards, did both the others agree with you?Dude, seriously, a word in your ear - every post you make is going to get ripped to shreds if you carry this on. Give it up now, there's a good lad.
Edited by Nick M on Wednesday 10th September 00:33
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