Insulation grants - why!
Insulation grants - why!
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matchmaker

Original Poster:

9,032 posts

229 months

Thursday 11th September 2008
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So apparently the brilliant plan that's been come up with to help low income families with soaring energy bills is to provide grants for loft insulation,low energy bulbs, etc. Great.

So I am on a low income, and have soaring gas & electric bills. I live in a flat so don't need loft insulation. I have double glazing. I use low energy bulbs where possible. My whole family tries to be as energy efficient as possible. So what's in the Governments brilliant plan for me?

fk all as usual. I should obviously stop working, get the missus pregnant again several times and develop a serious alcohol & drugs habit furious

Edited by matchmaker on Thursday 11th September 08:49

Scraggles

7,619 posts

253 months

Thursday 11th September 2008
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insulated and boarded out the loft when moved in, had double glazing fitted and use low energy bulbs, changing energy companies from eon to equipower/gas

suspect will get nothing, ie what nu labia will get from me at next election smile

beanbag

7,346 posts

270 months

Thursday 11th September 2008
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I don't get your point.....from what I sort of understand, you are jealous because you have a flat and not a house and therefore you won't get your loft insulation....scratchchin

outlaw biker

2,458 posts

225 months

Thursday 11th September 2008
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This is Socialism. You need to tow the line and keep quiet my friend. When we get to full on Communism then you can have a little cry along with the rest of us hehe

outlaw biker

2,458 posts

225 months

Thursday 11th September 2008
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beanbag said:
I don't get your point.....from what I sort of understand, you are jealous because you have a flat and not a house and therefore you won't get your loft insulation....scratchchin
I think what he/she is saying is "Why should I have to go out and earn money to pay for other peoples benefit, whilst seeing none of that benefit myself?".

miniman

29,995 posts

291 months

Thursday 11th September 2008
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outlaw biker said:
I think what he/she is saying is "Why should I have to go out and earn money to pay for other peoples benefit, whilst seeing none of that benefit myself?".
LOL because this is "Great" Britain.

Timmy35

13,014 posts

227 months

Thursday 11th September 2008
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Usual headline grabbing jesture politics whilst they go on wasting money on welfare and daft computer projects.

£1bn......the headline.....over 3 years ( the small print )......£300m a year is p*ss all to Brown, he wastes that before he's even had breakfast.

jollygreen

21,109 posts

231 months

Thursday 11th September 2008
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matchmaker said:
So apparently the brilliant plan that's been come up with to help low income families with soaring energy bills is to provide grants for loft insulation,low energy bulbs, etc. Great.

So I am on a low income, and have soaring gas & electric bills. I live in a flat so don't need loft insulation. I have double glazing. I use low energy bulbs where possible. My whole family tries to be as energy efficient as possible. So what's in the Governments brilliant plan for me?

fk all as usual. I should obviously stop working, get the missus pregnant again several times and develop a serious alcohol & drugs habit furious

Edited by matchmaker on Thursday 11th September 08:49
Got it in one. They assume that all the shagging will keep you warm

968CSReading

3,087 posts

247 months

Thursday 11th September 2008
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I worked out it will cost me ovr £500 to do my loft if I buy all the kit from B&Q. I dont get any benefits, Im certainly not 70 or over but according to all the blurb I might still be entitled to cheaper insulation so I have made some enquires and will wait and see.


david_h

579 posts

292 months

Thursday 11th September 2008
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I recently did my whole loft with insulation for just under £200, Wickes were doing a 2 for 1 offer on insulation about a month ago.
It was an online deal with free delivery and I went for the wrapped insulation so I didn't have to deal with fibreglass scratching my skin and having to wear a mask.
The difference in temperature of the upstairs of my house is unbelievable, it used to get really hot in the summer, now it's just average.
Next stage is cavity wall insulation, I contacted my council and they have a discount scheme even if you work like me and earn good money. British Gas wanted £300 to do the wall insulation, under this discount scheme it's £199. Ok I have to wait 8 weeks on the list before they have time to come round, but a 33% saving is awesome.
I don't see how the new regulation is any different to the current Warmfront scheme (for benefit claimants and OAP's), surely it's just an extension of an existing policy?

rhinochopig

17,932 posts

227 months

Thursday 11th September 2008
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matchmaker said:
So apparently the brilliant plan that's been come up with to help low income families with soaring energy bills is to provide grants for loft insulation,low energy bulbs, etc. Great.

So I am on a low income, and have soaring gas & electric bills. I live in a flat so don't need loft insulation. I have double glazing. I use low energy bulbs where possible. My whole family tries to be as energy efficient as possible. So what's in the Governments brilliant plan for me?

fk all as usual. I should obviously stop working, get the missus pregnant again several times and develop a serious alcohol & drugs habit furious

Edited by matchmaker on Thursday 11th September 08:49
Perhaps you could ask for loft insulation anyway. If you get cold you could wrap it around yourself.

NikB

1,835 posts

294 months

Thursday 11th September 2008
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david_h said:
The difference in temperature of the upstairs of my house is unbelievable, it used to get really hot in the summer, now it's just average.
How does this work then? Does this new stuff keep it cool in summer and warmer in winter?

Timmy35

13,014 posts

227 months

Thursday 11th September 2008
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NikB said:
david_h said:
The difference in temperature of the upstairs of my house is unbelievable, it used to get really hot in the summer, now it's just average.
How does this work then? Does this new stuff keep it cool in summer and warmer in winter?
That is, and always has been the effect of insulation. There's a joke about David Beckham and a Thermos flask that illustrates the point quite well.

Hedders

24,460 posts

276 months

Thursday 11th September 2008
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NikB said:
david_h said:
The difference in temperature of the upstairs of my house is unbelievable, it used to get really hot in the summer, now it's just average.
How does this work then? Does this new stuff keep it cool in summer and warmer in winter?
Insulation works both ways.

NikB

1,835 posts

294 months

Thursday 11th September 2008
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Timmy35 said:
NikB said:
david_h said:
The difference in temperature of the upstairs of my house is unbelievable, it used to get really hot in the summer, now it's just average.
How does this work then? Does this new stuff keep it cool in summer and warmer in winter?
That is, and always has been the effect of insulation. There's a joke about David Beckham and a Thermos flask that illustrates the point quite well.
Maybe I'm being thick here, but if the loft insulation is thicker then won't the hot air in the house have more trouble escaping therefore make it hotter?

Timmy35

13,014 posts

227 months

Thursday 11th September 2008
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NikB said:
Timmy35 said:
NikB said:
david_h said:
The difference in temperature of the upstairs of my house is unbelievable, it used to get really hot in the summer, now it's just average.
How does this work then? Does this new stuff keep it cool in summer and warmer in winter?
That is, and always has been the effect of insulation. There's a joke about David Beckham and a Thermos flask that illustrates the point quite well.
Maybe I'm being thick here, but if the loft insulation is thicker then won't the hot air in the house have more trouble escaping therefore make it hotter?
No it prevents the heat from the roofing space ( heated by the hot roof itself ) permeating down into the housing/living space. Think about it, in summer you have all the the heating off, the air temperature never gets that high outside....so why does it always get so dam hot upstairs? Try touching some tamac on a sunny day. Hotter than the air temperature normally yes? Your houses roof is a bit like that.

Ya?

Mr E

23,028 posts

288 months

Thursday 11th September 2008
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NikB said:
Maybe I'm being thick here, but if the loft insulation is thicker then won't the hot air in the house have more trouble escaping therefore make it hotter?
You're assuming that the house is hotter than the space above the house covered in thin stone and pointing at the sun for 18 hours..

rsv gone!

11,288 posts

270 months

Thursday 11th September 2008
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Grants for loft insulation are not a new thing. They've been available for many years.

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

246 months

Thursday 11th September 2008
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We're tennents in a first floor flat. We have sash windows that let as much heat out as we can produce, which we can't change ourselves. Although we qualify for a grant under the previous Warmfront scheme for insulation, upon inspection the contractors wouldn't fit it because there was some very basic boarding in the roofspace that they couldn't be arsed to shift.

For the past 5 months we have only used our combi boiler for hot water, nothing else, yet we're still paying £50 a month for gas. The house is so badly insulated we will have no choice bu to use the gas heating in the winter.

Labour's existing and proposed policies will do nothing at all to help us, or millions in the same situation as us.

They will help companies like Eaga burn through vast quantities of tax payers money on the back of Labour's meaningless political gestures, though.

Edited by 10 Pence Short on Thursday 11th September 10:42

mechsympathy

58,536 posts

284 months

Thursday 11th September 2008
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968CSReading said:
I worked out it will cost me ovr £500 to do my loft if I buy all the kit from B&Q. I dont get any benefits, Im certainly not 70 or over but according to all the blurb I might still be entitled to cheaper insulation so I have made some enquires and will wait and see.
B&Q are currently doing a triple roll of glass fibre (5sqm IIRC) for a tenner at the moment.