Ferrari 348 - info thread
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I stuck up a thread in the "Readers Cars" section and I ended up adding stuff about the 348 and some of my experinces with it.
I thought some prospective and current owners may find it interesting so I've cut and pasted it below.
I'll edit and add to it over time. If anyone else ahs some good info and experience please post.
If anyone has any bad experience, post that up as well and we'll discuss it.
(Original thread here: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
I thought some prospective and current owners may find it interesting so I've cut and pasted it below.
I'll edit and add to it over time. If anyone else ahs some good info and experience please post.
If anyone has any bad experience, post that up as well and we'll discuss it.
(Original thread here: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Here's my 348.
I've had it over 3 years now. The plan was to keep it original, but one thing led to another ............
Here's what it looked like when I first got it
I test drove a Ferrari 360 last year as I considered "upgrading", but didn't bond with it, prefering the raw feel of the 348.
I then got the itch to start modifying it. I started with 360 Carbon Sports seats, 360 Challenge Steering wheel, carbon bits for the interior and engien bay and some bits of trim from Hill Engineering. Recently I installed 6 pot AP RAcing brakes, red Schroth seat harnesses and a F355 front bonnet vent.
I did consider putting in a 360 engine, but it would ahve been too much work. Plus I would ahve had to probably turn it into a hatchback like the 360 and the engine is quite high. The other option is to put 355 plenums on the engine which would boost it to between 380 and 400 bhp. Haven't decided wether to do that yet.
A friend and I even took the engine out out and changed many of the parts. New water pump, silicon hoses instead of rubber ones and uprated spark plugs and leads.
Here's the engien after we washed it.
And after it was put in.
Before we took the engine out, I took it to a rolling road and it only had 304 bhp. It should have been 320 bhp, but asit was 12 years old I considered it to be wear and tear. Oh well........
After we put the engine back in, I had it put on a hub dyno and saw the bhp increase by around 37 bhp.
On day i was in WH Smiths and browsing through the magazine as we all do.
I picked up a rather large compendium which listed all the Ferarri models at teh back. Guess who's car was under the 348 heading.
Why is it called the 348 Scuderia? I'd been considering putting a stripe on it, but could never decide which type. A few months ago, a friend of mine picked up a 430 Scuderia and I asked him to measure the stripe for me. I then had a vinyl company make up a stripe and put it on the 348. Hence why some refer to it as the 348 Scuderia.
I wasn't sure at first, but I really like it now. Going to have it painted on next year when it goes in for a full respray.
Andy's Scuderia from which the stripe was copied.
Coupel of weeks ago I came across this black 430 scuderia. Fantastic machines, but way out of my price league. I worked out that my 348 was 13% of the value of teh black scud.
Anyone know the Lotto numbers for friday???
Video of the the 348 going around Northe Weald Airfield. It did a lap in the exact same time as a Lous Elise 111R. Both driven by Andy Walsh. Whilst the Elise has a snappy oversteer, this particular 348 has a lot of understeer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2Cxmt8y8_o
Recent video posted by someone when I was at a Scudrunners meet in Hurley two weeks ago.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AaD1GC23QOs&fmt=...
Me chasing a friends 355 at Abbeville track day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnH88aXEUG4
Not a video of my 348, but a compilation of clips from Ferrari meets I've attended over the last few years.
http://www.fgear.tv/sr1.php
I've had it over 3 years now. The plan was to keep it original, but one thing led to another ............
Here's what it looked like when I first got it
I test drove a Ferrari 360 last year as I considered "upgrading", but didn't bond with it, prefering the raw feel of the 348.
I then got the itch to start modifying it. I started with 360 Carbon Sports seats, 360 Challenge Steering wheel, carbon bits for the interior and engien bay and some bits of trim from Hill Engineering. Recently I installed 6 pot AP RAcing brakes, red Schroth seat harnesses and a F355 front bonnet vent.
I did consider putting in a 360 engine, but it would ahve been too much work. Plus I would ahve had to probably turn it into a hatchback like the 360 and the engine is quite high. The other option is to put 355 plenums on the engine which would boost it to between 380 and 400 bhp. Haven't decided wether to do that yet.
A friend and I even took the engine out out and changed many of the parts. New water pump, silicon hoses instead of rubber ones and uprated spark plugs and leads.
Here's the engien after we washed it.
And after it was put in.
Before we took the engine out, I took it to a rolling road and it only had 304 bhp. It should have been 320 bhp, but asit was 12 years old I considered it to be wear and tear. Oh well........
After we put the engine back in, I had it put on a hub dyno and saw the bhp increase by around 37 bhp.
On day i was in WH Smiths and browsing through the magazine as we all do.
I picked up a rather large compendium which listed all the Ferarri models at teh back. Guess who's car was under the 348 heading.
Why is it called the 348 Scuderia? I'd been considering putting a stripe on it, but could never decide which type. A few months ago, a friend of mine picked up a 430 Scuderia and I asked him to measure the stripe for me. I then had a vinyl company make up a stripe and put it on the 348. Hence why some refer to it as the 348 Scuderia.
I wasn't sure at first, but I really like it now. Going to have it painted on next year when it goes in for a full respray.
Andy's Scuderia from which the stripe was copied.
Coupel of weeks ago I came across this black 430 scuderia. Fantastic machines, but way out of my price league. I worked out that my 348 was 13% of the value of teh black scud.
Anyone know the Lotto numbers for friday???
Video of the the 348 going around Northe Weald Airfield. It did a lap in the exact same time as a Lous Elise 111R. Both driven by Andy Walsh. Whilst the Elise has a snappy oversteer, this particular 348 has a lot of understeer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2Cxmt8y8_o
Recent video posted by someone when I was at a Scudrunners meet in Hurley two weeks ago.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AaD1GC23QOs&fmt=...
Me chasing a friends 355 at Abbeville track day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnH88aXEUG4
Not a video of my 348, but a compilation of clips from Ferrari meets I've attended over the last few years.
http://www.fgear.tv/sr1.php
Thanks guys.
One important thing it did teach me was that a Ferrari at the end of the day is just like any other car. It's engine is just like any other car. Only difference is that some parts are bloody sight more expensive!!!!
When I first got it, I had never worked on a car before. Now I can do a full oil change and manage to fix some minor faults myself. Thanks to various forums and other owners, there's a great support structure for the 348. Probably the best one around for a particular Ferrari model.
Here's some of the things that were changed and fixed over the last few years.
The suspension needed work. The dampers were sent of to Bilstein to have them refurbished a year earlier. Bilstein told me that Ferrari dampers should refurbished every 3 years. Not sure if I believed them, but mine hadn't been done in over 12 years at that point. Cost £60 plus vat for each damper.
The rubber bushes in the suspension had rotted away. Couldn't get 348 ones so got 355 bushes which were 20% stiffer. Cost around £650. A year later a mate of mine had soem poly bushes made up that cost less than £200.
Brake discs needed replacing as well. Cost £75 each.
Decided to change the suspension springs recently. Managed to find an original unused set in the USA. Experimented with some stiffer springs as well, but it was way too stiff for London roads.
Here's what the suspension originally looked like:
Had the wishbones powder coated. Cost around £40
So far I've only broken down 2 times. Once was due to a faulty alternator which I had fixed for £40. The other time was due to overheating which was due to a lump of metal stuck in the thermostat. No idea where the metal came from although we suspect it was from teh original casting. The car tended to overheat on hot days though so I decided to change the rads and fans. Can't remember the cost.
Here's what the original fans looked like when we took them out. Explains why it tended to overheat.
Left hand radiator.
Right hand radiator.
How it looked with new rads.
After from a faulty sensor (£12) everything was fine afterwards.
Remember the botch job I mentioned earlier? Here it is. Rather than replace the alternator bracket, someone had wedged it into position. New bracket around £40. Makes you wonder what other short cuts were taken as well.
Here's what it looked like:
Replaced by a new one:
Found a broken oil pipe. New one from Ferrari £650. Managed to get it fixed for £50.
I painted the cam covers myself. Specilaists charge a few hundred pounds to do it. Cost me the price of two cans of paint.
The before:
The after:
Don1 said:
Lovely looking thing, and kudos to you for taking the engine out etc!
But I wouldn't do it again in a hurry. It was months of running around getting all the bits and pieces together. Plus we found a few botch jobs done on the car in the past. One important thing it did teach me was that a Ferrari at the end of the day is just like any other car. It's engine is just like any other car. Only difference is that some parts are bloody sight more expensive!!!!
When I first got it, I had never worked on a car before. Now I can do a full oil change and manage to fix some minor faults myself. Thanks to various forums and other owners, there's a great support structure for the 348. Probably the best one around for a particular Ferrari model.
Here's some of the things that were changed and fixed over the last few years.
The suspension needed work. The dampers were sent of to Bilstein to have them refurbished a year earlier. Bilstein told me that Ferrari dampers should refurbished every 3 years. Not sure if I believed them, but mine hadn't been done in over 12 years at that point. Cost £60 plus vat for each damper.
The rubber bushes in the suspension had rotted away. Couldn't get 348 ones so got 355 bushes which were 20% stiffer. Cost around £650. A year later a mate of mine had soem poly bushes made up that cost less than £200.
Brake discs needed replacing as well. Cost £75 each.
Decided to change the suspension springs recently. Managed to find an original unused set in the USA. Experimented with some stiffer springs as well, but it was way too stiff for London roads.
Here's what the suspension originally looked like:
Had the wishbones powder coated. Cost around £40
So far I've only broken down 2 times. Once was due to a faulty alternator which I had fixed for £40. The other time was due to overheating which was due to a lump of metal stuck in the thermostat. No idea where the metal came from although we suspect it was from teh original casting. The car tended to overheat on hot days though so I decided to change the rads and fans. Can't remember the cost.
Here's what the original fans looked like when we took them out. Explains why it tended to overheat.
Left hand radiator.
Right hand radiator.
How it looked with new rads.
After from a faulty sensor (£12) everything was fine afterwards.
Remember the botch job I mentioned earlier? Here it is. Rather than replace the alternator bracket, someone had wedged it into position. New bracket around £40. Makes you wonder what other short cuts were taken as well.
Here's what it looked like:
Replaced by a new one:
Found a broken oil pipe. New one from Ferrari £650. Managed to get it fixed for £50.
I painted the cam covers myself. Specilaists charge a few hundred pounds to do it. Cost me the price of two cans of paint.
The before:
The after:
One interesting fact is that some third party parts are better than original Ferrari parts.
For example, the Cambelt Tensioners bearings. If the engine is going to blow, it's usually because of faulty tensioner bearings rather than the cambelt itself breaking. This can lead to a very expensive repair bill.
Hill Engineering makes some great parts for a wide variety of Ferrari's. The owner Paul Hill is also a 348 owner, so we get extra bits and pieces custom made for our cars.
Below is a comparison shot of the Hill Engineering tensioners and the Ferrari originals.
Ferrari OEM on left & hill engineering on right
Changed the spark plugs to NGK's, which are superior to the Champion plugs taht were already on teh car. I also decided to cahnge the spark plug leads for better quality ones. Replacemnet set from ferarri is over 3600. The Magnecors were around £170.
348's and 355's need to have their cambelts changed every 3 years. there are two ways to do it. One is by taking the engine out which takes longer to do. Other way is to do it with the engine still in the car and removing the fuel tank. Teh altter method is often criticised by many people. Personally, I don't have a problem with having it done with the engine in and it is now a proven procedure. However, I personally would only do and engine out job when doing teh cambelt change every 3 years. By taking the engine out, everything is a lot easier to do and more importnatly the can timing can be done as well.
After we did all the work, I put it on a Hub Dyno. At that point the car has done 36,000 miles and was 14 years old. A couple of runs were done and they were virtually identical in figures achieved. Which I've been told is a good sign.
Results were:
bhp = 281.7 @8170rpm (at the hub)
torque = 201.2 @ 5780rpm (at the hub)
Power loss is between 15% and 20% due to 348's gearbox/transmission. I've subsequently been told by other experts it's betwen 17.5% and 20%
At 15% loss = 331 bhp at the crank
At 17.5% loss 342 bhp at teh crank
At 20% loss = 352 bhp at the crank
So I've got between 331 & 352 bhp and most probably 342 bhp. Big difference from the 304 bhp I originally had. Looks like all the hard work and money spent paid off. But how did it feel on the road?
Well, it felt smoother and much more stronger. It wasn't until I did another Airfiled day taht i found out how much better the car was. Previously I was lapping the circuit at North Weald in 1'10 seconds after a few laps. This time I did 1'05 on my first lap.
Rolling road results before:
rolling road results after:
For example, the Cambelt Tensioners bearings. If the engine is going to blow, it's usually because of faulty tensioner bearings rather than the cambelt itself breaking. This can lead to a very expensive repair bill.
Hill Engineering makes some great parts for a wide variety of Ferrari's. The owner Paul Hill is also a 348 owner, so we get extra bits and pieces custom made for our cars.
Below is a comparison shot of the Hill Engineering tensioners and the Ferrari originals.
Ferrari OEM on left & hill engineering on right
Changed the spark plugs to NGK's, which are superior to the Champion plugs taht were already on teh car. I also decided to cahnge the spark plug leads for better quality ones. Replacemnet set from ferarri is over 3600. The Magnecors were around £170.
348's and 355's need to have their cambelts changed every 3 years. there are two ways to do it. One is by taking the engine out which takes longer to do. Other way is to do it with the engine still in the car and removing the fuel tank. Teh altter method is often criticised by many people. Personally, I don't have a problem with having it done with the engine in and it is now a proven procedure. However, I personally would only do and engine out job when doing teh cambelt change every 3 years. By taking the engine out, everything is a lot easier to do and more importnatly the can timing can be done as well.
After we did all the work, I put it on a Hub Dyno. At that point the car has done 36,000 miles and was 14 years old. A couple of runs were done and they were virtually identical in figures achieved. Which I've been told is a good sign.
Results were:
bhp = 281.7 @8170rpm (at the hub)
torque = 201.2 @ 5780rpm (at the hub)
Power loss is between 15% and 20% due to 348's gearbox/transmission. I've subsequently been told by other experts it's betwen 17.5% and 20%
At 15% loss = 331 bhp at the crank
At 17.5% loss 342 bhp at teh crank
At 20% loss = 352 bhp at the crank
So I've got between 331 & 352 bhp and most probably 342 bhp. Big difference from the 304 bhp I originally had. Looks like all the hard work and money spent paid off. But how did it feel on the road?
Well, it felt smoother and much more stronger. It wasn't until I did another Airfiled day taht i found out how much better the car was. Previously I was lapping the circuit at North Weald in 1'10 seconds after a few laps. This time I did 1'05 on my first lap.
Rolling road results before:
rolling road results after:
vtr_driver said:
Inspirational!! Love the idea of working on your own Ferrari!
I was hesitantt first, as I have two left hands and no mechanical experience, but it was a great learning curve.The great thing about the 348 is that anyone with a bit of mechanical skill can work on the car themselves and save a load of money. Plus many parts can be sourced elsewhere.
minimatt1967 said:
I've never liked the 348, it had a terrible time, following in the footsteps of the 308/328, then being followed by the stunning 355!
I really like yours though the change of wheels and the stripe also the dark colour instead of the usual Ferrari red, and the modifications to brakes interior etc most admirable! From your pics I cannot believe how big the 430 is compared with the 348! What is the weight of the 348 compared with the 430?
Good effort chap
.....slopes off the the classified to find the price of 348's!
Thanks.I really like yours though the change of wheels and the stripe also the dark colour instead of the usual Ferrari red, and the modifications to brakes interior etc most admirable! From your pics I cannot believe how big the 430 is compared with the 348! What is the weight of the 348 compared with the 430?
Good effort chap
.....slopes off the the classified to find the price of 348's!
According to Wikipedia:
430's kerb weight is 1450 kg (3197 lb) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_F430
348's kerb weight is 1393 kg (3071 lb) (For the earlier TB, TS) and 1370 kg (3020 lb) (GTS, GTB, Spider)
I'm not too sure if the wikipedia figures are correct though. According to their figures, mine at 1418 kg is 25kg heavier even though I've reduced the weight with lighter wheels, lighter exhaust, lighter seats etc. Perhaps that's the dry weight they've given???
Mine with half a tank of fuel:
Matthew_Eames said:
Stunning Ferrari, not been that aware of them previously but they look great...particularly when not red. Must be an experience taking the engine out!
Taking the engine out is actually the easy bit. Putting it back in is a pain in the a*** to do as you have to line up the bolt holes. It took us about 5 hours to take the engine out. I reckon next time we could get it down to around 3.5 hours. A lot of it is spent draining fluids and double checking things. Some guys have even done it using a the two trolley jack method. God knwos how they did it, but it's possible. We ahd teh luxury of a lift.minimatt1967 said:
I've never liked the 348, it had a terrible time, following in the footsteps of the 308/328, then being followed by the stunning 355!
I originally wanted a 355, but didn't have the funds at the time. So I decided to get a 328. I initially avoided the 348 because a lot of people said it was a piece of crap and the worse Ferarri ever made.Here's two recent magazine articles where they mention the 348. Classic cars and Performance car.
Luca di Montezemolo also stated that the 348 was the worst product Ferrari ever made. Having owned one, he wasn't very impressed with it at the time.
Then there's Andrew Frankel who rated the 348 as the worst Ferrari in his Top 10 worst Ferarri's ever made..
[i]"But only one of all these cars I've mentioned is entirely unworthy of the greatest road car name of all; after all, even an automatic 400i has a certain gentlemanly charm to it. The worst Ferrari I have ever driven is the 348tb. It was quite quick and quite attractive but these more obvious strengths cloaked for only an instant the fact that the car was no damn good to drive. To improve its packaging it had its gearbox slung transversely across the back of the car, which turned the sometimes obstructive Ferrari five-speed gearshift into a thing of piggish obstinacy.
Worse, while other Ferraris were undoubtedly unforgiving on the limit, this one was a sociopath. I once spent a morning at a test track with some very experienced drivers and, in a safe and controlled environment, found out a little more about its behaviour. And we discovered that if you were less than lightning quick with your reactions, there'd be more chance of persuading Margaret Thatcher to vote Labour than stopping the 348 from spinning. It was also hugely expensive.
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http://www.channel4.com/4car/ft/feature/feature/97...
Then you have all the other negative comments on the forums:
Gusdaq said:
Personally I found the handling awful, especially at anything over about 80mph, what a difference when I drove a 355 with the underbody spoilers etc, I had that baby at 160mph on the way to Le Mans and she was wonderful....the 348 would have been in a field!!!!!
jonny 4200gt said:
A chum of mine who knows the Ferrari F1 mechanics was talking to the chief engineer who worked on the 348 and was categorically told NOT to buy one ! I won't repeat his comments, but my chum now runs a 911 ;-)
Get a 355 or if you want real style get a Maserati. Sooooo much more street cred than a 911 or Ferrari, much more exclusive and people will think you're cool :-)
Get a 355 or if you want real style get a Maserati. Sooooo much more street cred than a 911 or Ferrari, much more exclusive and people will think you're cool :-)
lowdrag said:
The 348 is a great car huh? Here is a list of the woes that befell mine:-
After 1,000 miles the alternator failed the day before Le Mans and it took two weeks to source and fit a replacement
The oil pipe near the bulkhead came off because at the factory the clip was put the wrong side of the olive and so with nothing to retain it it just slipped off. A new engine was called for at 2,000 miles.
Both sets of strakes in the doors cracked and were replaced
At speed the door mirrors pulled away from the door seals creating susbstantial wind noise. Ferrari replaced the plastic triangular mounting points with aluminium ones.
The car leaked water when parked up, always around the targa top. This was an endemic problem and Ferrari had new seals made in Canada to solve the problem.
The car got very light at speed and Ferrari fitted an aftermarket lip spoiler to cure the problem.
The air conditioning system provides very little cool air for the driver on RHD cars.
My list of technichal problems went on and on but the most dangerous part about a 348 is the roadholding and it took me two years to finally get to the bottom of the problem. Quite simply the chassis is too weak and at breakaway the chassis flexes up to an inch. I even got a racing driver to try and get it to handle at Donington and he lost it big time. A very dangerous car in extremis.
However, the most laughable part of the 348 was what happened when the battery went flat and here, quite frankly, you are better off having one of the earlier cars with the battery in the rear. Picture the scene; you've left your pride and joy in the garage during the winter and the alarm has flattened the battery so you push the car outside to get some jump leads on it. Ah, but first you have to get out the jack and take off the NS front wheel to get at the battery. Now, with cables attached, you gingerly turn the key making sure that you do not touch the accelerator at all. It starts, you take off the cables, replace the wheel and go indoors for 20 minutes for a coffee leaving the car ticking over outside. All this so the mixture control computers can reset.
OK, your pride and joy is now operational, but your next trip is straight to the dealership where they will spend an hour or two taking the dashboard apart to restart your aircon which, after a flat battery, no longer works.
If you still want to buy a 348 after reading all that, all without a word of a lie, then you are a masochist. The happiest moment with my 348 came near Bordeaux when we encountered a 200 yd slick of diesel on a bend. This is all I have left of the worst sports car I have ever owned.
As you can see, not a lot of good things were said about the 348. Hence my initial decision to avoid it.After 1,000 miles the alternator failed the day before Le Mans and it took two weeks to source and fit a replacement
The oil pipe near the bulkhead came off because at the factory the clip was put the wrong side of the olive and so with nothing to retain it it just slipped off. A new engine was called for at 2,000 miles.
Both sets of strakes in the doors cracked and were replaced
At speed the door mirrors pulled away from the door seals creating susbstantial wind noise. Ferrari replaced the plastic triangular mounting points with aluminium ones.
The car leaked water when parked up, always around the targa top. This was an endemic problem and Ferrari had new seals made in Canada to solve the problem.
The car got very light at speed and Ferrari fitted an aftermarket lip spoiler to cure the problem.
The air conditioning system provides very little cool air for the driver on RHD cars.
My list of technichal problems went on and on but the most dangerous part about a 348 is the roadholding and it took me two years to finally get to the bottom of the problem. Quite simply the chassis is too weak and at breakaway the chassis flexes up to an inch. I even got a racing driver to try and get it to handle at Donington and he lost it big time. A very dangerous car in extremis.
However, the most laughable part of the 348 was what happened when the battery went flat and here, quite frankly, you are better off having one of the earlier cars with the battery in the rear. Picture the scene; you've left your pride and joy in the garage during the winter and the alarm has flattened the battery so you push the car outside to get some jump leads on it. Ah, but first you have to get out the jack and take off the NS front wheel to get at the battery. Now, with cables attached, you gingerly turn the key making sure that you do not touch the accelerator at all. It starts, you take off the cables, replace the wheel and go indoors for 20 minutes for a coffee leaving the car ticking over outside. All this so the mixture control computers can reset.
OK, your pride and joy is now operational, but your next trip is straight to the dealership where they will spend an hour or two taking the dashboard apart to restart your aircon which, after a flat battery, no longer works.
If you still want to buy a 348 after reading all that, all without a word of a lie, then you are a masochist. The happiest moment with my 348 came near Bordeaux when we encountered a 200 yd slick of diesel on a bend. This is all I have left of the worst sports car I have ever owned.
However, I liked the shape of the 348 and started to do some research. The more I read about it, the more I cam to relise that there was a lot of misconception about it.
Teh early 348's were rushed into production and as with all early Ferarri production numbers had a few gremlins that got sorted over teh following years. The biggest complaint was about the handling, which according to some journalists was dangerous and liable to kill you. Obviously tehy had never driven a 911 before.
What they forgot to mention was that it tended to happen when the driver was at the 995 of teh performace of teh car. Not something most of us woudl ever reach on the road. Anyway, ferrari made a few modificatiosn to teh car. A raft of tehm were done in 1992. These modesl had the battery located in the front wheel arch front for better stability and to piss of owners who had to change the battery.
As with most marques and especially with Ferrari, the later the production model the better the car. However, most of the early cars have now been sorted.
Here's my response to one of the above posters. It gives more insight into the 348.
lowdrag said:
After 1,000 miles the alternator failed the day before Le Mans and it took two weeks to source and fit a replacement
That can happen to any car and Ferrari parts supply is not exactly the best in the world.EDIT: I had my alternator rebuilt. Plus, I got a coupel up updated and better quality parts for it. Total cost £105. It now works perfectly.
lowdrag said:
A new engine was called for at 2,000 miles.
I know of a Stradale that had an engine replaced in the first few months of ownership. Again, just one of those things. lowdrag said:
Both sets of strakes in the doors cracked and were replaced
At speed the door mirrors pulled away from the door seals creating susbstantial wind noise. Ferrari replaced the plastic triangular mounting points with aluminium ones.
As I said earlier, the 348 was rushed into production and some of your problems no doubt relate to that.At speed the door mirrors pulled away from the door seals creating susbstantial wind noise. Ferrari replaced the plastic triangular mounting points with aluminium ones.
lowdrag said:
The car leaked water when parked up, always around the targa top. This was an endemic problem and Ferrari had new seals made in Canada to solve the problem.
I think the Targa's still leak. lowdrag said:
The car got very light at speed and Ferrari fitted an aftermarket lip spoiler to cure the problem.
I have to admit, my front end does get light at high speeds. I'm having the suspension bushes & springs changed. Also contemplating an additional lip spoiler if the problem persists. having said that, a friend of mine overtook me at 170 miles per hour in his late spec 348 and his car was rock solid.lowdrag said:
but the most dangerous part about a 348 is the roadholding and it took me two years to finally get to the bottom of the problem. Quite simply the chassis is too weak and at breakaway the chassis flexes up to an inch. I even got a racing driver to try and get it to handle at Donington and he lost it big time. A very dangerous car in extremis.
Early cars did have handling problems. Post 92 cars were beter handling.Many 348's take part in the Ferrari Hill Climbing championship and last year it was won by a 348.
My 348 has been driven by a Andy walsh, a well known race driver, and all he said was that my one tended to understeer, which was more due to the old front tyres than anything else.
EDIT: Many 348 owners complain about the handling. The bihhest problem with teh 348 is that it is very sensitive to even minor suspension changes. Most haven't had a geometry set up done in years. Sometimes even teh set up from the factory can be wrong. I had a full suspension set up done a while back by Damax. Robin is a professional racer and helped develop the Ascari race cars. He removed 29 suspension shims and put back 14. Adjusted the ride heights and set teh cambers. The car was transformed.
I've done trackdays and airfield days without a problem.
lowdrag said:
However, the most laughable part of the 348 was what happened when the battery went flat and here, quite frankly, you are better off having one of the earlier cars with the battery in the rear. Picture the scene; you've left your pride and joy in the garage during the winter and the alarm has flattened the battery so you push the car outside to get some jump leads on it. Ah, but first you have to get out the jack and take off the NS front wheel to get at the battery. Now, with cables attached, you gingerly turn the key making sure that you do not touch the accelerator at all. It starts, you take off the cables, replace the wheel and go indoors for 20 minutes for a coffee leaving the car ticking over outside. All this so the mixture control computers can reset.
My battary is in the front wheel arch. It was put there on later cars to help with the weight distribution and handling.I've had a flat battery quite a few times now and have never accessed the battery. There's a couple of connection in the engine bay where you can connect a battery charger or booster quite easily. I've also got an accumate which I plug in when the cars parked. Have'nt had a flat battery since.
lowdrag said:
OK, your pride and joy is now operational, but your next trip is straight to the dealership where they will spend an hour or two taking the dashboard apart to restart your aircon which, after a flat battery, no longer works.
Electrical problem. Nothing more. i get it on my AC system. For a while the fans would'nt work which made driving in the rain a pain in the behind. Replacement AC costs around £1,000, but as with most things Italian... it fixed itself and has'nt been a problem since. Fingers crossed!!!EDIT: I've had a coupel of flat batteries and it's never affected the air con on my car. The problem with my air con where teh fans stopped working kept coming back more frequently. Turned out to be a dodgy fan motor. Took it out myself and had it fixed. cost: £40, a few hours of my time and a couple of cuts to the hand.
lowdrag said:
If you still want to buy a 348 after reading all that, all without a word of a lie, then you are a masochist. The happiest moment with my 348 came near Bordeaux when we encountered a 200 yd slick of diesel on a bend. This is all I have left of the worst sports car I have ever owned.
I think you just had bad luck with your car to be honest. In two years of ownership, I've only had two major problems. One was overheating and the other a split coolant hose. Both of which have now been overhauled.EDIT: Had it over 3 years now and still love the 348.
Edited by Angelis on Thursday 11th September 11:23
I'm in the process of doing a buyers guide for the 348 website I run (http://www.theferrari348.com/forum/index.php), but here are a few bits of info that may help in the meantime.
1. Do your research
Visit the 348 website, Ferrarichat,Club Scuderia and of course Pistonheads and read up on the 348. Talk to owners about their cars.
Get to know about the various models. Some have 300bhp whilst the later ones have 320 bhp.
Production numbers are as follows:
348tb = 2,895 - RHD UK = 130
348ts = 4,230 - RHD UK = 261
348spider = 1090 - RHD UK = 68
348GTB = 252 - RHD UK = 14
348GTS = 137 - RHD UK = 15
348GTC = 50 - RHD UK = 8
Total = 8,654
UK RHD = 496
2. Finding a good 348
It's getting harder and harder to find a good one and there's quite a few people actively searching.
No matter where you buy it from, make sure you have a Pre Purchase Inspection done with a compression test.
Some 348's are clocked as are many other models. A few unscrupulous owners tend to disconnect the speedometer which is easily done. Others search ebay for used speedo's.
Service histories are good, but they don't tell you the whole story. You need to see receipts and other paperwork.
Make sure the catalytic converters are both OK. Even with one blown cat, it will pass the mot, so don't rely on the emissions test alone. New cats are expensive and also a bit s
t.
Prices have gone down considerable. I paid £35,000 for mine 3 years ago. You can get 355's for that sort of money now. The spread is from £18,000 to £35,000 at the moment depending on model, mileage and condition.
3. 348 v 355
The 348 engine is bullet proof if looked after. In comparison the 355's tend to have engine rebuilds and other problems.
I had a chat with one very well know specialist who told me they had done countless 355 engine rebuilds, a few 360 rebuilds, but had never done a 348 rebuild. It's not to say it will never or has never happened, but the chances of it happening are extremely low in comparison to the 355. That's why used 348 engines are half the price of 355 ones.
The 355 has well known manifold problems which need to be replaced. You can get better quality ones from QV London. The 348 don't have this problem.
Valve guides can go on the 355. The 348 doesn't have that problem.
The 348 doesn't have power steering or electrically adjustable suspension like the 355. So less to go wrong.
The 348's gearbox though is a weak point. A few cars have had the gearbox break and parts are getting harder to come by. Rebuild cost is circa £4,000. Later models have less problems due to modifications made by the factory and therefore are stronger.
Electrics can be a pain in the arse sometimes. Hey...it's 1980's Italian electrics. Be lucky you don't electrocute yourself when you sit in it.
Ins summary, both the 348 and 355 need to have the engine taken out. the 355 has the better gearbox, but the 348 has the stronger engine. The 355 revs higher, but the 348 is more revvier.
4. Modding a 348
You have a lot of options here. The 348 is probably teh most modable Ferarri around.
If it hasn't got one already, you'll need a sports exhaust. Tubi, Capristo and X-OST are the most comon ones. Budget between £1,300 & £1,700. half that for used.
The standard 348 wheels are very heavy and 17". I have the 18" F355 magnesium wheels. Lighter and better looking. Other options are the 355 Challenge , 360 challenge wheels.
Used 360 carbon fibre seats are £2,000+. Worth every penny in my opinion. Transforms the driving experience.
Best value for money modification i reckon is the 360 challenge steering wheel. Cost £180 and very cool
As the 355 is basically a 348 body, you can take some bits off that. Bonnet vent mod is around £350 to do.
Carbon interior bits can cost £900. they look good though.
AP Racing brake kit is around £1,800. I never really liked the standard 348/355 brakes (they share the same brakes).
Wheel spacers are a must, especially if you have the 355 wheels. I'm running 15mm at the front and 25mm at the rears.
The standard cats are crap. New set of sports cats by hyper-Flow are around £800. However, if your 348 is pre 1992, you can decat it legally.
5. Running costs
I'm paying £550 per year for insurance with a 5,000 mile limit.
Service cost vary, but this will give you an idea. http://www.verdi-ferrari.com/servicing.htm
Tyres cost around £150 each for Pirelli Pzeros for 355 wheels.
Hope the above helps anyone who is interested.
1. Do your research
Visit the 348 website, Ferrarichat,Club Scuderia and of course Pistonheads and read up on the 348. Talk to owners about their cars.
Get to know about the various models. Some have 300bhp whilst the later ones have 320 bhp.
Production numbers are as follows:
348tb = 2,895 - RHD UK = 130
348ts = 4,230 - RHD UK = 261
348spider = 1090 - RHD UK = 68
348GTB = 252 - RHD UK = 14
348GTS = 137 - RHD UK = 15
348GTC = 50 - RHD UK = 8
Total = 8,654
UK RHD = 496
2. Finding a good 348
It's getting harder and harder to find a good one and there's quite a few people actively searching.
No matter where you buy it from, make sure you have a Pre Purchase Inspection done with a compression test.
Some 348's are clocked as are many other models. A few unscrupulous owners tend to disconnect the speedometer which is easily done. Others search ebay for used speedo's.
Service histories are good, but they don't tell you the whole story. You need to see receipts and other paperwork.
Make sure the catalytic converters are both OK. Even with one blown cat, it will pass the mot, so don't rely on the emissions test alone. New cats are expensive and also a bit s
t.Prices have gone down considerable. I paid £35,000 for mine 3 years ago. You can get 355's for that sort of money now. The spread is from £18,000 to £35,000 at the moment depending on model, mileage and condition.
3. 348 v 355
The 348 engine is bullet proof if looked after. In comparison the 355's tend to have engine rebuilds and other problems.
I had a chat with one very well know specialist who told me they had done countless 355 engine rebuilds, a few 360 rebuilds, but had never done a 348 rebuild. It's not to say it will never or has never happened, but the chances of it happening are extremely low in comparison to the 355. That's why used 348 engines are half the price of 355 ones.
The 355 has well known manifold problems which need to be replaced. You can get better quality ones from QV London. The 348 don't have this problem.
Valve guides can go on the 355. The 348 doesn't have that problem.
The 348 doesn't have power steering or electrically adjustable suspension like the 355. So less to go wrong.
The 348's gearbox though is a weak point. A few cars have had the gearbox break and parts are getting harder to come by. Rebuild cost is circa £4,000. Later models have less problems due to modifications made by the factory and therefore are stronger.
Electrics can be a pain in the arse sometimes. Hey...it's 1980's Italian electrics. Be lucky you don't electrocute yourself when you sit in it.
Ins summary, both the 348 and 355 need to have the engine taken out. the 355 has the better gearbox, but the 348 has the stronger engine. The 355 revs higher, but the 348 is more revvier.
4. Modding a 348
You have a lot of options here. The 348 is probably teh most modable Ferarri around.
If it hasn't got one already, you'll need a sports exhaust. Tubi, Capristo and X-OST are the most comon ones. Budget between £1,300 & £1,700. half that for used.
The standard 348 wheels are very heavy and 17". I have the 18" F355 magnesium wheels. Lighter and better looking. Other options are the 355 Challenge , 360 challenge wheels.
Used 360 carbon fibre seats are £2,000+. Worth every penny in my opinion. Transforms the driving experience.
Best value for money modification i reckon is the 360 challenge steering wheel. Cost £180 and very cool
As the 355 is basically a 348 body, you can take some bits off that. Bonnet vent mod is around £350 to do.
Carbon interior bits can cost £900. they look good though.
AP Racing brake kit is around £1,800. I never really liked the standard 348/355 brakes (they share the same brakes).
Wheel spacers are a must, especially if you have the 355 wheels. I'm running 15mm at the front and 25mm at the rears.
The standard cats are crap. New set of sports cats by hyper-Flow are around £800. However, if your 348 is pre 1992, you can decat it legally.
5. Running costs
I'm paying £550 per year for insurance with a 5,000 mile limit.
Service cost vary, but this will give you an idea. http://www.verdi-ferrari.com/servicing.htm
Tyres cost around £150 each for Pirelli Pzeros for 355 wheels.
Hope the above helps anyone who is interested.
Not Ideal said:
You mentioned you originally were contemplating upgrading to the 360 before you modded your 348....did you ever consider the 355..??
No. If I had a 328 then I would definetly have considered a 355, but for me the 348 and 355 are too close too each other. I've also considered a black 430 as well which would have cost me £95K plus but they are coming down in price fast and it's not going to be faster than the 348 around Central London.To be honest I'm not a good enough driver to get 100% out of the 348 as it is, so any extra performance would be wasted.
Edited by Angelis on Thursday 11th September 11:25
348 resources
348 website
http://www.theferrari348.com
Contains teh biggest resource for the 348. Still under development though.
Also contains half of teh 348 technical resource (haven't had time to copy paste everything yet)
The full resource is available here: http://www.club348.com/technical/Tech/348.html
348 secion on Ferrarichat
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?...
Most owners come here when they have a problem. Very helpful people on here and a good archive of solutions and tips.
348 website
http://www.theferrari348.com
Contains teh biggest resource for the 348. Still under development though.
Also contains half of teh 348 technical resource (haven't had time to copy paste everything yet)
The full resource is available here: http://www.club348.com/technical/Tech/348.html
348 secion on Ferrarichat
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?...
Most owners come here when they have a problem. Very helpful people on here and a good archive of solutions and tips.
Angelis said:
I'm sure I saw some "back-out" there... and he neither crashed nor died! 
Anyone might think that the old cliche's aren't entirely true!
As an owner of a Lotus I know exactly how annoying it is to hear joe-shmo churn out the same tired old cliches without any REAL knwoledge to back it up, beyond the fact he heard Clarkson say it once!
Here's what some owners think of the 348
Full thread here: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=...
"Ever since I saw a 348 in London when I was a kid I thought they looked awesome - for me the 80's styling with the pop-up headlights, side strakes and rear grill makes them look mean as ****!
Engine is smooth and sounds great when exhaust is modified. Main critisism for me would be the handling at high speed, it becomes quite skittish and almost over responsive but hey it all adds to the fun! Its certainly not boring to drive."
Bob-in-toon
"The most underrated ferrari ever."
Stevew
"Awesome car. Very flexible engine, fortunately no issues
I have a 355 now and miss the "raw" feel of the 348. One is not better or worse then the other just different!"
jm348
"Overall it is a great car. The high speed handling is not confidence inspiring, but as long as you are careful straightline speeds of 120-140 are exciting. The mechanicals are pretty simple for a modern car. It looks much better in person than it does in pictures. Great sound at wide open throttle. I think it is the most undervalued Ferrari today. The tendancy for oversteer is controllable at low speeds, and lots of fun. The car seems very sensitive to tire pressures. A single tire that is 5 psi low will affect the feel of the car tremendously and make it feel very twitchy at any speed."
BT
"Beautiful
Feels a lot faster than it is
Alway Starts
Rides like an ox cart
Handles like a go kart
Most underrated Ferrari"
Janzen
"Fantastic Ferrari! I have both a 355 spider and a 348 spider. The 348 is an excellent performer. The performance difference between a 348 and a 355 is not as great as many would have us believe. Mine has 18" speedline alesio wheels with 355 size tires. Handling at any speed is fine. As posted, very sensitive to tire pressure. Maybe I have an exceptional example but mine shifts as well as my 355.
Tubi and hyperflows. The sound is fabulous! Beautiful style."
Spider348
"PURE ADRENALINE!"
VTC
"The 348 is an extremely exotic Ferrari for a relatively small price. The looks, the engine power, the engine sound, and the handling make this car great (especially while set in the backdrop of its price). The 348 is a driver's car; not a showman's trophy. It rewards drivers with true ability or with the desire to learn; hotshots who aren't skilled drivers cannot appreciate it and therefore will tend to disparage it. This car will challenge you, and this car will teach you. Since February, 2004 with 9900 miles on it, I have driven my current 24K-mile 348 whenever I have had the opportunity while the sun has been shining. I have not had a single problem in more than 2 years. In fact, my car is so reliable I am beginning to become bored with it. My old friend the Check Engine light hasn't even greeted me in over two years. At the beginning I spent some substantial money fixing various little problems that existed because the car was previously never driven. The 348 will be as reliable as the owner's commitment to driving it and fixing it properly if something goes wrong. Owning it has literally changed my life. I lead a different life because of this car."
348SStb
"Alot of car for a little money in the Ferrari game.
I have had no problems with mine, always starts, run great.
The high speed characteristics don't bother me as I keep it under 120mph in the states. Very under-estimated, tired of reading comparisions to the 355. If the 355 wasn't a better car, ferrari engineers wouldn't have been doing there jobs. But for playing in the hills, I keep up with the 360 and the 355"
dkny
"Great car. Exceeds all of my expectations. Looks great. I love the strakes, louvers, and grills. Lots air management, like a jet fighter. Brakes are phenomenal. Engine is phenomenal. Shifter is OK, but there is one! I love this car. I really love the removable top. Transforms the car. The sound at redline with the top off is worth the price of admission. I drove the 308 and 328 before buying, sat in a Testarossa or two, the 348 was roomier. Perfect strangers walk up and compliment the car and treat you like family (or royalty). Give a kid a ride and you've got a freind forever. If I didn't have one, I'd find a way to get one. Then there is the brotherhood. Great bunch of guys and gals. What else can I say. Go get one."
Bee Jay
"I found myself this month facing the grim economic reality, that I couldn't justify having 2 sports cars given the bath I've taken on equities. So I faced the decision of selling the 348 or selling my pristine 2003 Carrera 4S. I loved that C4S, but it was no contest, I did not hesitate for a minute and sold the porsche. The porsche is a great car, but it is just a car. The Ferrari is like a drug, everything about the 348 gets under your skin. I love the looks, the feel, the sound, especially the sound. The experience of taking the V8 to redline with the hyperflows and Tubi is something that anyone that is in the least bit into cars should experience at least once in their life."
poxtoli
"I am in love with the 348. The subtle body that mimick the lines of the finest of supermodels along with the passive aggresion of the Ferrari drive train make it the supreme ride. I saw my first 348 on memorial day 1992 at Limerock park, CT and have aspired to own one ever since. My dream was realized some 15 years later. While many blather about perceived asthetic and performance issues I have no reservations. I personally love the side strakes and the car is far faster than I will ever drive. UN-powered steering provides direct unfiltered contact with the road that I just dig. I also need to feel that clutch, it's part of the experience. While we all wish Maintenance costs were lower, it is the price of admission to ownership of the most beautiful car ever built."
Saint Bastage
"I've had mine 10 years. The car is like a go-kart. I've added Tubi, test pipes and 1" rear spacers. I will keep this car and my 911 until I die!"
Jeff Pintler
"Acquiring my 348tb is the best thing that ever happend to me. ...should have bought one much sooner. It is an amazing piece of magnificent machinery. Others cars are just transportation. This is a race car that I can drive for the fun of it. It's reliable, has a classic Ferrari look, drives great, turns heads and constantly gets 'thumbs up' from pure strangers. It is easy to work on, and parts availability is excellent. Even doing the regular maintenance is enjoyable. The few flaws it has are manageable and easy to overlook. To me, a 348 looks like what a Ferrari should look like."
Skipro
"I've had mine for a little more than a year and have done 6000 miles on it. Together, we have experienced three track days, back country high speed driving, rain, etc. The car is great fun to drive with its unassisted steering, lovely engine note, strong brakes and great handling (although it gets a bit skittish at high speed sweepers (120 mph+) and while doing heavy braking on bumpy roads). It is a downright bargain at a $50,000. It has been very reliable so far with minimal expenses. Buy one - you will love it!"
speedy_sam
"Raw, tough, sexy. Hot Italian mistress delivers the goods with the occasional "high maintenance" issues to be expected with such an arrangement."
3forty8
"Just been reading this thread and I just had to go out to the garage and just look at mine. Never mind that it's freezing cold and chucking it down with rain - it still has the power to make me feel like an eight year old on Christmas morning.
I've had mine for just over a year now and I still have to pinch myself to see if it's all been a dream. It is simply the best car I've had by a very long way. Not the fastest, nor the most exciting - that accolade belongs to the TVR Tuscan. But that kind of excitement often lead to the need for a change of underwear - as Burriana will no doubt attest
Before buying the 348 I drove a couple of 355s, which I loved. But the 348 is just that right side of raw for my tastes; the 355 seemed a little overcooked if you take my meaning - not enough blood
My 348 is something of a Frankencar - it has 355 front and rear bumpers and side panels and non-Ferrari 18-inch wheels. This upsets the purists but I really don't care: I get the character and handling of the 348 and the looks of the 355. So I'm one very happy bunny.
There's an awful lot of ill-informed crap written about the 348, mostly by people who've never even sat in one let alone owned one, but also from people who really should know better. But as long as the snobs keep belittling the black sheep of the Ferrari flock, then people like me will get to own an amazing car they would otherwise be hard pressed to afford.
This year Santa was kind enough to bring me a set of de-cat pipes for Christmas. As soon as the weather picks up they're getting fitted and then I'll need surgery to remove the grin from my face!"
judas
"I have owned my 348 spider for about 9 months now and spent almost 2 years doing my research before buying to better educate myself on what to expect.
I spent some money after purchase to fix little things that the previous owner neglected, mostly interior cosmetics like sticky console etc. but she runs perfect and I have had zero issues.
I love my 348, makes me smile whenever I get to take her out for a spin.
So do your homework and enjoy."
darkkaangel
"Every day I go out to the garage I miss the 348. The car was a wonderful way to taste the Ferrari experience at a (relatively) reasonable price. And it made me a compulsive visitor to my garage, the wife never understood why I could just go outside, grab a look at the car, get my eye candy fix and then get back into the house. Or why I would get up at the crack of dawn, and go for long, pointless drives before the kids got up. The wonderful memories have piled up and will stay with me forever.
Never one to regret things, I must say that the 348 was one of the most beautiful cars I ever owned but something that I have accepted as a part of my past now.
And the big question- will I ever get one again? Unlikely, as unfortunately the reality is that the car, as much as I did use it as a daily driver, was not the most practical car for the daily grind. The lack of power steering, the leaking roof (I had a TS) and the almost non existent ground clearance all added up to make the daily commute just a bit too much to offset the wonderful weekend drives. But it certainly quenched my thirst for Ferrari ownership, and has filled my memory banks with one wonderful memory after another... my guess is that the 355 may just be the perfect compromise sometime in the future, especially if I can squeeze the cheese graters on it..."
Harold
"I've owned one for 1 1/2 yrs. It's been relatively trouble free. It's never left me anywhere I didn't want to be.
I've not had the typical problems that plague some of the cars, like slow windows or broken clutches. I've only had to fix minor things since I bought it and now all I really do is keep it clean.
Although I've haven't done this, the down side is I would never buy a 348 to drive every day. I don't thing Ferrari in general holds up to every day use cosmetically or mechanically."
tamf328
"I just added up my repair/maintience costs over the past three years. Just about $10k. Bad aletnator, replaced some sensors. The rest was up keep, trying to keep the car up to snuff (looking as new as possible). Replaced some interior parts, re-sprayed the bumper, and some additional issues. When you look back on it $3300 to keep the car tip top and on the road - it's a bit of money. Next year I need to do the major and I still want to replace some aging parts - so those costs aren't going away.
Is it worth the cost of the car? And the cost of ownership?
Yes.
You have to pay to play the Ferrari game, even if this is the entry level, but it's worth every penny (so far)."
traimpz348
"I only had my 348 for a few months but the driving experience was awesome. It was the first sports car that I had driven that didnt have power steering so that took some getting use to. I really liked the way that it handled and you could really feel it grab the road. I had it up to about 140 a few times and it felt really solid. It was a spider so I didnt push it any harder than that."
SGMDCFD
"In 2000, I got a 348 Spider on the recommendation of my mechanic - I thought I wanted a TR, fool that I was. He correctly steered me to a proper sports car. I loved that thing - it made me smile everytime I looked at it. I used to rub my hands along the body curves under the car cover and it felt amazing that something like that was done in metal. When you drove it, you felt like a hero.
Then I saw the 348 Serie Speciale and knew I absolutely had to have one. I wanted a TB, but compromised at a TS and got an amazing deal. The car was crying for me to own her, to restore her and give her the attention she no longer got from her past owners. She now has a good home and I am thrilled every time we head out on the road. Hell, even pulling out of the garage is a treat."
vvassallo
"I've had my 348 spider for 3 years now, and will keep her for a lot longer yet. imo the last of the old-school Fcar's before computers and hydraulics were needed just to move a seat or turn the steering wheel. They're not perfect, but a great combination of value, raw feel, and engineering. High use can cause a more than a few little things to break, but overall the car itself is solid, can handle pretty well anything including much higher temps/driving conditions that'll make normal cars overheat 10x."
tjacoby
"Love my problem free 348. Owner since 2005. Driven 6,000+ miles during ownership."
Imola2001
"I have owned my 348 for 5 years / low mileage / I make sure the battery is charged / let it idle for about 10 minutes and off I go....never felt insecure....clutch release like a honda....typical light problems / normally goes away with a battery disconnect and reconnect.....Had a TR before a 348... 348 easier and lighter to drive....Great Car and hard to part with...."
Standig
"The best hot rod Ferrari has made in a long, long time."
plugzit
"For that price, this is the best car you can buy!
Prominent ... Fast ... 348"
Moca
"I had a 91ts for 5 years and sold it in 2006 when I bought myself a 95 Spider.
Very few problems with the 91 and nothing I could not fix myself.
So far the Spider has been trouble free, except for a 02 sensor I replaced last summer.
I love the 348 series it's for me!"
Dave
"been a great first ferrari. considered buying another model , but im very doubtful id have more fun for twice or three times the money..! overall , a decent car that creates quite a spectacle wherever you go...especially over 6k rpm!"
MDshore348
"Ive had my 348TS for 6 years and its still as much fun today as the day i brought her home, Ive thought about selling her and buying a newer F car but i know ill never find another Ferrari as dependable and as trouble free as my 348"
BeachBum
"The car that is probably the 'Hot Rod' of the Ferraris. Most of the owners are real car guys who are very knowledgeable about their ride and how it works. Passionate guys that aren't afraid to roll up their sleeves and get in there. Not a lot of frills and foofie stuff, just raw fun. No power steering or air bags and one must be experienced and acquainted with it's handling quirks to drive it hard but probably the most bang for the buck in the Ferrari world."
bushwhacker
"Currently on my 2nd 348 as I had to sell my 1st when I emigrated from UK to Australia. That was a very sad day indeed............These cars are all about the whole "Ferrari experience". I don't think anyone can seriously argue that the 348 is a better car than a 355 (I have also sampled one of these). The 355 is an evolution. It is more complicated and more expensive than a 348. Not being especially wealthy this is a consideration to me (especially if some expensive piece of electronics or hydraulics lets go, the 348 is also a depreciation free zone at todays prices). I feel the 348 fills a very special place in that it offers the whole "Ferrari experience" being more involving and more difficult to drive. It feels "alive" and rewards your efforts. It is an absolute joy to drive and own. I (Personally) feel that the 348 is the better looking of the two overall. Running costs are also very reasonable given the marque.
Those of you just wanting a fast car to fly around in go buy a WRX STI or an Evo, or even an elise (I currently also own a S2 elise). These cars are sensationally quick cross country and would "in the real world" leave a 348 for dead. But for me they are not even in the same league as a 348. Again, for me its not about flat out performance, its the whole experience. There is something good about knowing you own a Ferrari.
Give me a 348 anyday!"
dkilka
"I've had mine for eighteen months and really like it.
I've just had the engine out service done, plus a few other things, so cost of ownership has been a little high - and you know how we Scots dislike that. However, with that done I expect it will be (relatively) inexpensive over the next two or three years.
The only negative I have is the straight line twitchiness of my car. I know it's a common issue but I suspect it's as much a function of our poor road surfaces than a real problem with the car.
I don't use mine in the winter but had it running on my drive yesterday and was itching to take it out on the road and drive it!"
IanMac
"I've had my SS for 15 months now - just took it for a spin yesterday in 25 degree weather. The car is a ton of fun to drive and certainly gets noticed."
jeffwh
Full thread here: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=...
"Ever since I saw a 348 in London when I was a kid I thought they looked awesome - for me the 80's styling with the pop-up headlights, side strakes and rear grill makes them look mean as ****!
Engine is smooth and sounds great when exhaust is modified. Main critisism for me would be the handling at high speed, it becomes quite skittish and almost over responsive but hey it all adds to the fun! Its certainly not boring to drive."
Bob-in-toon
"The most underrated ferrari ever."
Stevew
"Awesome car. Very flexible engine, fortunately no issues
I have a 355 now and miss the "raw" feel of the 348. One is not better or worse then the other just different!"
jm348
"Overall it is a great car. The high speed handling is not confidence inspiring, but as long as you are careful straightline speeds of 120-140 are exciting. The mechanicals are pretty simple for a modern car. It looks much better in person than it does in pictures. Great sound at wide open throttle. I think it is the most undervalued Ferrari today. The tendancy for oversteer is controllable at low speeds, and lots of fun. The car seems very sensitive to tire pressures. A single tire that is 5 psi low will affect the feel of the car tremendously and make it feel very twitchy at any speed."
BT
"Beautiful
Feels a lot faster than it is
Alway Starts
Rides like an ox cart
Handles like a go kart
Most underrated Ferrari"
Janzen
"Fantastic Ferrari! I have both a 355 spider and a 348 spider. The 348 is an excellent performer. The performance difference between a 348 and a 355 is not as great as many would have us believe. Mine has 18" speedline alesio wheels with 355 size tires. Handling at any speed is fine. As posted, very sensitive to tire pressure. Maybe I have an exceptional example but mine shifts as well as my 355.
Tubi and hyperflows. The sound is fabulous! Beautiful style."
Spider348
"PURE ADRENALINE!"
VTC
"The 348 is an extremely exotic Ferrari for a relatively small price. The looks, the engine power, the engine sound, and the handling make this car great (especially while set in the backdrop of its price). The 348 is a driver's car; not a showman's trophy. It rewards drivers with true ability or with the desire to learn; hotshots who aren't skilled drivers cannot appreciate it and therefore will tend to disparage it. This car will challenge you, and this car will teach you. Since February, 2004 with 9900 miles on it, I have driven my current 24K-mile 348 whenever I have had the opportunity while the sun has been shining. I have not had a single problem in more than 2 years. In fact, my car is so reliable I am beginning to become bored with it. My old friend the Check Engine light hasn't even greeted me in over two years. At the beginning I spent some substantial money fixing various little problems that existed because the car was previously never driven. The 348 will be as reliable as the owner's commitment to driving it and fixing it properly if something goes wrong. Owning it has literally changed my life. I lead a different life because of this car."
348SStb
"Alot of car for a little money in the Ferrari game.
I have had no problems with mine, always starts, run great.
The high speed characteristics don't bother me as I keep it under 120mph in the states. Very under-estimated, tired of reading comparisions to the 355. If the 355 wasn't a better car, ferrari engineers wouldn't have been doing there jobs. But for playing in the hills, I keep up with the 360 and the 355"
dkny
"Great car. Exceeds all of my expectations. Looks great. I love the strakes, louvers, and grills. Lots air management, like a jet fighter. Brakes are phenomenal. Engine is phenomenal. Shifter is OK, but there is one! I love this car. I really love the removable top. Transforms the car. The sound at redline with the top off is worth the price of admission. I drove the 308 and 328 before buying, sat in a Testarossa or two, the 348 was roomier. Perfect strangers walk up and compliment the car and treat you like family (or royalty). Give a kid a ride and you've got a freind forever. If I didn't have one, I'd find a way to get one. Then there is the brotherhood. Great bunch of guys and gals. What else can I say. Go get one."
Bee Jay
"I found myself this month facing the grim economic reality, that I couldn't justify having 2 sports cars given the bath I've taken on equities. So I faced the decision of selling the 348 or selling my pristine 2003 Carrera 4S. I loved that C4S, but it was no contest, I did not hesitate for a minute and sold the porsche. The porsche is a great car, but it is just a car. The Ferrari is like a drug, everything about the 348 gets under your skin. I love the looks, the feel, the sound, especially the sound. The experience of taking the V8 to redline with the hyperflows and Tubi is something that anyone that is in the least bit into cars should experience at least once in their life."
poxtoli
"I am in love with the 348. The subtle body that mimick the lines of the finest of supermodels along with the passive aggresion of the Ferrari drive train make it the supreme ride. I saw my first 348 on memorial day 1992 at Limerock park, CT and have aspired to own one ever since. My dream was realized some 15 years later. While many blather about perceived asthetic and performance issues I have no reservations. I personally love the side strakes and the car is far faster than I will ever drive. UN-powered steering provides direct unfiltered contact with the road that I just dig. I also need to feel that clutch, it's part of the experience. While we all wish Maintenance costs were lower, it is the price of admission to ownership of the most beautiful car ever built."
Saint Bastage
"I've had mine 10 years. The car is like a go-kart. I've added Tubi, test pipes and 1" rear spacers. I will keep this car and my 911 until I die!"
Jeff Pintler
"Acquiring my 348tb is the best thing that ever happend to me. ...should have bought one much sooner. It is an amazing piece of magnificent machinery. Others cars are just transportation. This is a race car that I can drive for the fun of it. It's reliable, has a classic Ferrari look, drives great, turns heads and constantly gets 'thumbs up' from pure strangers. It is easy to work on, and parts availability is excellent. Even doing the regular maintenance is enjoyable. The few flaws it has are manageable and easy to overlook. To me, a 348 looks like what a Ferrari should look like."
Skipro
"I've had mine for a little more than a year and have done 6000 miles on it. Together, we have experienced three track days, back country high speed driving, rain, etc. The car is great fun to drive with its unassisted steering, lovely engine note, strong brakes and great handling (although it gets a bit skittish at high speed sweepers (120 mph+) and while doing heavy braking on bumpy roads). It is a downright bargain at a $50,000. It has been very reliable so far with minimal expenses. Buy one - you will love it!"
speedy_sam
"Raw, tough, sexy. Hot Italian mistress delivers the goods with the occasional "high maintenance" issues to be expected with such an arrangement."
3forty8
"Just been reading this thread and I just had to go out to the garage and just look at mine. Never mind that it's freezing cold and chucking it down with rain - it still has the power to make me feel like an eight year old on Christmas morning.
I've had mine for just over a year now and I still have to pinch myself to see if it's all been a dream. It is simply the best car I've had by a very long way. Not the fastest, nor the most exciting - that accolade belongs to the TVR Tuscan. But that kind of excitement often lead to the need for a change of underwear - as Burriana will no doubt attest
Before buying the 348 I drove a couple of 355s, which I loved. But the 348 is just that right side of raw for my tastes; the 355 seemed a little overcooked if you take my meaning - not enough blood
My 348 is something of a Frankencar - it has 355 front and rear bumpers and side panels and non-Ferrari 18-inch wheels. This upsets the purists but I really don't care: I get the character and handling of the 348 and the looks of the 355. So I'm one very happy bunny.
There's an awful lot of ill-informed crap written about the 348, mostly by people who've never even sat in one let alone owned one, but also from people who really should know better. But as long as the snobs keep belittling the black sheep of the Ferrari flock, then people like me will get to own an amazing car they would otherwise be hard pressed to afford.
This year Santa was kind enough to bring me a set of de-cat pipes for Christmas. As soon as the weather picks up they're getting fitted and then I'll need surgery to remove the grin from my face!"
judas
"I have owned my 348 spider for about 9 months now and spent almost 2 years doing my research before buying to better educate myself on what to expect.
I spent some money after purchase to fix little things that the previous owner neglected, mostly interior cosmetics like sticky console etc. but she runs perfect and I have had zero issues.
I love my 348, makes me smile whenever I get to take her out for a spin.
So do your homework and enjoy."
darkkaangel
"Every day I go out to the garage I miss the 348. The car was a wonderful way to taste the Ferrari experience at a (relatively) reasonable price. And it made me a compulsive visitor to my garage, the wife never understood why I could just go outside, grab a look at the car, get my eye candy fix and then get back into the house. Or why I would get up at the crack of dawn, and go for long, pointless drives before the kids got up. The wonderful memories have piled up and will stay with me forever.
Never one to regret things, I must say that the 348 was one of the most beautiful cars I ever owned but something that I have accepted as a part of my past now.
And the big question- will I ever get one again? Unlikely, as unfortunately the reality is that the car, as much as I did use it as a daily driver, was not the most practical car for the daily grind. The lack of power steering, the leaking roof (I had a TS) and the almost non existent ground clearance all added up to make the daily commute just a bit too much to offset the wonderful weekend drives. But it certainly quenched my thirst for Ferrari ownership, and has filled my memory banks with one wonderful memory after another... my guess is that the 355 may just be the perfect compromise sometime in the future, especially if I can squeeze the cheese graters on it..."
Harold
"I've owned one for 1 1/2 yrs. It's been relatively trouble free. It's never left me anywhere I didn't want to be.
I've not had the typical problems that plague some of the cars, like slow windows or broken clutches. I've only had to fix minor things since I bought it and now all I really do is keep it clean.
Although I've haven't done this, the down side is I would never buy a 348 to drive every day. I don't thing Ferrari in general holds up to every day use cosmetically or mechanically."
tamf328
"I just added up my repair/maintience costs over the past three years. Just about $10k. Bad aletnator, replaced some sensors. The rest was up keep, trying to keep the car up to snuff (looking as new as possible). Replaced some interior parts, re-sprayed the bumper, and some additional issues. When you look back on it $3300 to keep the car tip top and on the road - it's a bit of money. Next year I need to do the major and I still want to replace some aging parts - so those costs aren't going away.
Is it worth the cost of the car? And the cost of ownership?
Yes.
You have to pay to play the Ferrari game, even if this is the entry level, but it's worth every penny (so far)."
traimpz348
"I only had my 348 for a few months but the driving experience was awesome. It was the first sports car that I had driven that didnt have power steering so that took some getting use to. I really liked the way that it handled and you could really feel it grab the road. I had it up to about 140 a few times and it felt really solid. It was a spider so I didnt push it any harder than that."
SGMDCFD
"In 2000, I got a 348 Spider on the recommendation of my mechanic - I thought I wanted a TR, fool that I was. He correctly steered me to a proper sports car. I loved that thing - it made me smile everytime I looked at it. I used to rub my hands along the body curves under the car cover and it felt amazing that something like that was done in metal. When you drove it, you felt like a hero.
Then I saw the 348 Serie Speciale and knew I absolutely had to have one. I wanted a TB, but compromised at a TS and got an amazing deal. The car was crying for me to own her, to restore her and give her the attention she no longer got from her past owners. She now has a good home and I am thrilled every time we head out on the road. Hell, even pulling out of the garage is a treat."
vvassallo
"I've had my 348 spider for 3 years now, and will keep her for a lot longer yet. imo the last of the old-school Fcar's before computers and hydraulics were needed just to move a seat or turn the steering wheel. They're not perfect, but a great combination of value, raw feel, and engineering. High use can cause a more than a few little things to break, but overall the car itself is solid, can handle pretty well anything including much higher temps/driving conditions that'll make normal cars overheat 10x."
tjacoby
"Love my problem free 348. Owner since 2005. Driven 6,000+ miles during ownership."
Imola2001
"I have owned my 348 for 5 years / low mileage / I make sure the battery is charged / let it idle for about 10 minutes and off I go....never felt insecure....clutch release like a honda....typical light problems / normally goes away with a battery disconnect and reconnect.....Had a TR before a 348... 348 easier and lighter to drive....Great Car and hard to part with...."
Standig
"The best hot rod Ferrari has made in a long, long time."
plugzit
"For that price, this is the best car you can buy!
Prominent ... Fast ... 348"
Moca
"I had a 91ts for 5 years and sold it in 2006 when I bought myself a 95 Spider.
Very few problems with the 91 and nothing I could not fix myself.
So far the Spider has been trouble free, except for a 02 sensor I replaced last summer.
I love the 348 series it's for me!"
Dave
"been a great first ferrari. considered buying another model , but im very doubtful id have more fun for twice or three times the money..! overall , a decent car that creates quite a spectacle wherever you go...especially over 6k rpm!"
MDshore348
"Ive had my 348TS for 6 years and its still as much fun today as the day i brought her home, Ive thought about selling her and buying a newer F car but i know ill never find another Ferrari as dependable and as trouble free as my 348"
BeachBum
"The car that is probably the 'Hot Rod' of the Ferraris. Most of the owners are real car guys who are very knowledgeable about their ride and how it works. Passionate guys that aren't afraid to roll up their sleeves and get in there. Not a lot of frills and foofie stuff, just raw fun. No power steering or air bags and one must be experienced and acquainted with it's handling quirks to drive it hard but probably the most bang for the buck in the Ferrari world."
bushwhacker
"Currently on my 2nd 348 as I had to sell my 1st when I emigrated from UK to Australia. That was a very sad day indeed............These cars are all about the whole "Ferrari experience". I don't think anyone can seriously argue that the 348 is a better car than a 355 (I have also sampled one of these). The 355 is an evolution. It is more complicated and more expensive than a 348. Not being especially wealthy this is a consideration to me (especially if some expensive piece of electronics or hydraulics lets go, the 348 is also a depreciation free zone at todays prices). I feel the 348 fills a very special place in that it offers the whole "Ferrari experience" being more involving and more difficult to drive. It feels "alive" and rewards your efforts. It is an absolute joy to drive and own. I (Personally) feel that the 348 is the better looking of the two overall. Running costs are also very reasonable given the marque.
Those of you just wanting a fast car to fly around in go buy a WRX STI or an Evo, or even an elise (I currently also own a S2 elise). These cars are sensationally quick cross country and would "in the real world" leave a 348 for dead. But for me they are not even in the same league as a 348. Again, for me its not about flat out performance, its the whole experience. There is something good about knowing you own a Ferrari.
Give me a 348 anyday!"
dkilka
"I've had mine for eighteen months and really like it.
I've just had the engine out service done, plus a few other things, so cost of ownership has been a little high - and you know how we Scots dislike that. However, with that done I expect it will be (relatively) inexpensive over the next two or three years.
The only negative I have is the straight line twitchiness of my car. I know it's a common issue but I suspect it's as much a function of our poor road surfaces than a real problem with the car.
I don't use mine in the winter but had it running on my drive yesterday and was itching to take it out on the road and drive it!"
IanMac
"I've had my SS for 15 months now - just took it for a spin yesterday in 25 degree weather. The car is a ton of fun to drive and certainly gets noticed."
jeffwh
More opinions from mainly British 348 owners
These can be found at http://www.clubscuderia.com/forum/showthread.php?t...
"My 1st F-car, then wanted some change and now missing it. Lot of unfair critics about quality, there may have been probs in the beginning of production run but later cars as I had was well sorted. Driving experience is really experience, you either love or hate it. Heavy but precise streering, awful gearbox when cold but good when fully warmed up, goes like go-kart but not much room for errors. Engine has lot of torque but missing the last few hundred revs vs 355 and 360, engine feels rock solid. Drive one or two before making up your mind!"
WillW
"My first Ferrari too. Went on to own multiple examples of all three variants. Not for everyone, heavy but precise steering, gearbox terrible but very nice when warm. Chassis surprisingly good on later cars, handling very go-kart like."
cgt
"My 1st Ferrari and I'm lucky enough to have the GTC variant.
It's a heavy car to drive at slow speeds and can be awkward to work with when cold; but once it's moving and warmed up it is simply sublime. Plenty of power, handles superbly and that noise (with tubi) is unbeatable. The response from other road users is fantastic and all I would say to those who are sceptical is try one and I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised."
pdavision
"Having driven the 328 and 355 - when you consider it's age (up to 18 years), the 348 is a cracking car and still represents excellent value.
Supercar looks, razor sharp steering, enough power to get most people into trouble......and of course, lets not forget IT IS A FERRARI.
What else can provide as much fun and turn as many heads from as little as £20k???
Had mine 3 years and spent a fortune on it not because anything particular went wrong, but i'm a stickler for detail and all of my expense have been through choice. In fact, in three years of ownership, the only faults the car's had has been a CV boot, flexible brake hoses, a mis-fire and a battery"
candellara
"My 348 was also my first Ferrari. I owned mine for over four years before selling it and buying a Lotus and then a Noble M12. Despite the Noble being sublime to drive both on road and on track, I always regretted selling my 348 and ended up buying it back from the guy I sold it to, and have not looked back since
I think it's looks are absolutely stunning. It's a bit heavy to drive at slow speeds and when cold, but once it's warmed up the engine (X-ost upgrade ) has plenty of torque and it's great on track. For a relatively heavy car the later 348's are great on track.
There's a lot of rubbish out there about 348's....as far as I'm concerned they are undervalued and a bargain entry into Ferrari ownership. My has done 43k now and is smoother now to drive than ever! Low mileage being good is yet another myth about Ferrari's."
Siban
"I agree with all above posts.
I have had a 348 spider for some 18 months now and have found it to be an amazing piece of kit
One of the last true Ferrari's and definately handles like a go-kart. It was a little hard to handle on the couple of times I got caught out when the rain started and I was at Weddings (but then again all Ferrari's from what I can gather are the same)
In terms of maintenance it hasnt cost me a vast amount and the pleasure gained far outweight any cost!!
Just gutted now as I have just had to put her up for sale as I am losing my garage space. I have posted on here and it is also on Pistonheads if anyone is interested??
I know one thing I will be getting back into 348 motor as soon as I can when the car goes2
SugaFezza
"The 348 is the ideal first Ferrari. It's affordable, it's got enough power to hold its own nearly twenty years after its introduction, luggage room and cockpit are obscenely spacious and it's pretty comfortable too. The unmistakably Pininfarina curves of the bodywork are classic and gorgeous, even if the slats on side and rear tend to polarise peoples' tastes. With it's upgraded successor - the 355 - it's the last chance to own a man's machine before the electronically controlled mass-produced jellymoulds arrived.
Mine has NEVER let me down, but you might need to be prepared to trawl the Internet for the different tips and tricks and be Mr. Fixit for a while. It gets better and better the more it's driven. Lack of power steering and large turning circle can make it unwieldy in a town centre car park.
Sometimes unloved - but only by other Ferrari owners! Never had anyone at a filling station say "That's one of those horrible 348's innit Mister?" Unpopular when introduced? No; they had their waiting lists and delivery slots being sold too!"
dasadrew
"The Ferrari 348, Lovely First F Car. I've spent over £10K in 6 months but ALL but £600. of it by choice anf the rest for Annual service. However I can't help feeling that the F355 is the one I would have if the cost of a good one wasn't so high. Alot has been sais about the steering & gearchange which is all true. You need to stay on top of things when putting your foot down especially in winter conditions as it's very unforgiving if you take your eye of the ball. Love it though. Buy the best you can afford as the price difference between the £20K cars and the £34K + cars is there for a reason IMHO."
Zak348Gtb
"My first Fcar and what a car it is. Never tired of it and smiled every where I went in it.
Reliability was outstanding as I only ever had one problem in 2 years with it which was damp in the electrics.
Handled far inside my driving ability and power was good for age of car. As for styling how could you not like those side strakes. Real sports car image.
Sold mine now which I am thinking was a bad idea. That's only a week later. Would I get another. Oh yes. Allready planning
If your thinking of getting one then do it2
achaddy
"My first ferrari was a 348 GTS and my second a 348 spider. If you want a raw go kart like feel, ride and handling the 348 is the model to have. Modern ferrari styling, aggresive stance with ok running costs that do not break the bank. The 348 has limited production numbers which make it a exclusive ferrari model to own and very few seen on the road. Its called the baby tessa in Italy."
Kenyon
"I have a 1991 348TB, bought it a year a go. I am the third owner, the car had done few km (32000 when I bought it) It had since new major services every 4th year(last by lambo) plus yearly service by Ferrari in Switzerland.
Where a few problems the car dealer fixt before delivery: the lock on the driver side did not work, the window washer did`t work, all internal instrument light did not work. After three months driving the speedometer sensor had to be changes.
In general the car has been reliable, and it a true joy to drive even the gearbox is fairly smooth when cold(it slips in to all gears)
And it is blue"
F348
"Mine's a 1990 TS so probably one of the worst examples of the worst model available. It's a bit embarrassing when you're in the company of Ferrari know-alls. A bit like when I used to own a Lada. Everyone knew that was the pits!
However, owning the least loved version of the best marque of car is probably the best philosophy to have. They're very affordable, mine's only cost me the petrol to run it up to now but it's due an annual service soon. The battery went flat after it had been stood for a couple of months but other than that it has been ultra reliable.
It is absolutely superb to drive apart from the awkward gear changes. You do have to let it decide when it wants to go into gear. The engine with the Tubi on sounds amazing, I usually get a crowd of admirers flanking me on the motorway.
Performance wise, I'm quite reluctant to push it too hard as there's not usually much room on the road for a flapping back end with a V8 acting as ballast but it has comfortably outrun more modern stuff like Honda S2000s, Porsches and Nissan Skylines on the twisty stuff.
If you think an extra gear, 1000 revs and power steering is worth £20,000, get an F355 and settle for the more feminine look!"
Greensleeves
"348 pros:
- have you seen how it looks!
- stunning head-turner, that SCREAMS Ferrari from every angle
- rare original looks on the road, thanks to side strakes and "cheese-grater" rear
- Spider body shape particularly rare and attractive, versus coupes
- sounds awesome with a Tubi, especially when decatted
- visually improves dramatically with modern wheels
- no power steering, or annoying CPU controls over handling/traction
- raw driving experience, tending towards being go-kart like
- bullet-proof engine
- relatively little to go wrong, reliable car
- Spider has manual hood
- rare compared to later Ferraris
348 cons:
- attracts too much attention for shy retiring types
- attracts envy from a minority of road users
- many naive petrolheads wrongly look down on the 348, as a bad Ferrari
- Spider is too flexi for poor roads, when pushed hard, to be a true driver's car"
Jas
"Had our 348TS for 3 years now, and its superb, I love it more than the wife, and Like Cinderella we spend on it to make it 'nicer'
looks stunning and feels special. don't like the look of the newer types. So I'll gladly stick with this for a few years yet.
Would recommend one to a first timer any day,"
Yorkshirelad
"my 2nd ferrari was and is my beloved 348. im on a tight budget adn i wanted the most excitement i could get for my money under the prancing horse umbarella.
i love opening the garage door and seeing her, such a sexy looking car, very understated by the critics i fear."
rizlaneill1000
"Had my 348 tb for 10 months now and just love it. Gear changes no problems even when cold. I must be one of the lucky ones. My first f-car, can see myself staying with this for a long time to come. Drive it three or four times a week.
LOVE IT."
Philip Barnard-Brown
"Life offers many opprtunities. Some we take, some we pass up, but I am so glad the one of the ones I chose to take was to buy my giallo 1993 348 Spider. It is quick, handles amazingly and sounds awesome. It turns heads, startles passes by and as I sit here picking the flies from between my teeth after another couple of hours behind the controls, I consider what I would have missed if I had not chosen this path to automotive enlightenment."
Sletti
"I started my Ferrari ownership in a 308GTBi, then moved onto a 348TS (Battery in the front). Obviously a big leap forward in development. Sure it wasn't the fastest car on the road, but it's presence was always respected.
The car was fairly standard, the only changes were colour coding of the skirts, engine cover etc, changing the exhaust and de-cat.
I ran the 348 for 2 years, serviced it annually at main dealers, and only had one problem which was the common exhaust / cat ecu failure. £180 later and all was solved. The car proved very reliable and gave me full confidence in the Ferrari brand.
I thoroughly enjoyed my 348 experience and would thoroughly recommend them!"
Sparky
"My first Ferrari was a 92 348tb had it for nearly 2 years it had 27k miles from new and was a minter.The only trouble i had was battery packed up,£65 and the throttle used to stick sometimes.
It was a wonderful car and im thinking of selling my TVR and getting another to keep the testa company."
celcius
"I love the 348 and from what I can tell most people out there like it too. I regularly spot people taking photos, asking if it's new, and the only times I've had any interest from the police was when they've been asking me to floor it
OK so it's not the easiest car to drive slowly and it's bit clunky when it's cold, but once warmed up and out on the open road it's simply wonderful. I was down at KHPC recently and spent a while looking around the showroom, there wasn't anything I would consider selling up for...apart from the F40 and 288 GTO"
Chris gilmartin
"My first Ferrari was a 348 TS (1991), red. I sold it two years ago to buy a 355 GTS, also red (sorry Angelis, but....Ferrari = red).
I loved that 348.
At the same time I owned a Porsche 911 turbo of the same year (1992). This one was much easy to handle, and faster, bur it was not a Ferrari.
The 348 was dangerous and instable over 220/230 Km/h. Yes, yes...I ordered the Hill-engineering spacers!
Made lot of kilometers in Spain and Portugal. I had only a big trouble, the gearbox, it had to be changed because it was completely destroyed."
Nuno.
"Bought mine 2 years ago with only 2000 miles on the clock.
Had a few misfires (sorted), alternator (sorted for £55 and my labour), still have occasional hot-start problem which I'll get round to sorting when I get a minute, bur hey! it's a supercar.
I put the few problems down to the low mileage/lack of use, and now she's running well, what a fantastic car. I've had fast 'Cosworths' , a 911, and various other fast cars but nothing comes close to my 348. I bought it because I'd done a Ferrari 'driving experience' day and much preferred the 'raw' feel of the 348 to the more refined 355.
I've had 5000 miles of fantastic motoring upto yet and won't be swapping my 348 for aything in a hurry.
By the way, mines an early one with battery in the rear etc and she still handles like a go-cart.........love it!"
Dave
"My first ever Ferrari a 348 TS and I have just had the car for a year now and I got to say I love it and I have not regretted it for one minute. I have driven many others including 355’s & 360’s and they are great cars but I just love the looks and raw feel of the 348. I done my research and bought the one of the last cars produced and I haven’t had one thing go wrong with it (touch wood) and I feel 100% confident in the reliability of the car. I bought the best and I did pay top money for it, but at the end of the day the car is in exceptional condition and that is what I was looking for when I was looking for one.
The car looks amazing like a true supercar, sounds great and drives very well. What more can you want? I have had loads of different cars and I have usually got bored of them and sold them within a year or so but I think this will be a keeper."
amo
"I bought my 93 348 Spider 3 years ago and it was my first Ferrari. The car although mechanically sound had suffered some neglect and I have spent the last few years slowly bringing it back to a decent standard.
I love the fact that for me, it is a true Ferrari in every sense, from the mid-engine layout to the open gate box. Every time the car comes out of the garage it is an occasion. Also being a full convertible you get true open top motoring.
It is also overlooked that unlike most of its contemporaries the 348 is fitted with fully adjustable suspension, allowing the car to be set up to your preference just like a race car. Finally as the car is relatively basic with few electronic aids, it makes for a good ownership proposition as the cars advance in years.
On the negative side, as much as people try to justify it, I believe that the handling of the 348 is flawed. I have driven a few performance cars and the 348 inspires the least confidence. The only other issue I have is the need to remove the engine every three years for a belt change. I feel this is a major design flaw which leads to excessive maintenance costs.
Overall I love the car, but it has the capacity to scare the hell out of me as well.
Good Luck"
Julian
"I bought my 348tb to campaign in the owners club Hillclimb series, the Pirelli Ferrari Hillclimb challenge. In this series a handicap is used to allow different tipo to compete against each other – and they do with some very experienced and competitive drivers and cars.
I wanted a car that had some mileage on it, hoping to avoid lack of use issues, had a great service history and was in very nice condition, although not concours, as that would be too difficult for me to run up a hill. An added bonus in the grigio model I bought was the alcantara dash put in by the first owner, cutting down screen reflection no end and, being named Connelly he also supplied his own leather to the factory!
I have had issues; the car was a bit fragile from lack of hard use, discs cracked, fuel tank sprung a leak etc. but nothing unusual for a 16 year old car. The alternator problems have now been cured, flywheel grease renewed, as have the corroding electrical connections. With the addition of race seats, a harness, 355 challenge rims and a new set of P Zeros we were set.
Now I reckon there is a reason why a 348 has won the series 4 times out of the last 5, obviously the driver helps! But it is very nearly as quick off the line as a 328 and is often not too far behind the 355’s times. It doesn’t do this by being a bad handling car, as the urban myth leads us to believe. Mine and last year’s winning car both have pretty standard suspension and still go round corners superbly. The rear can go awol, like any other mid-engined car, if not driven appropriately and you need to know what you and your car are doing before trying out trail braking, but on the whole it can be an extremely well balanced car, if the suspension is not showing signs of age, tyres and pressures are right and some spacers are added to the rear to widen the track a little.
I love everything about this car, quirks and all, and you never know, this year may see yet another 348 winning!"
XSV 348
These can be found at http://www.clubscuderia.com/forum/showthread.php?t...
"My 1st F-car, then wanted some change and now missing it. Lot of unfair critics about quality, there may have been probs in the beginning of production run but later cars as I had was well sorted. Driving experience is really experience, you either love or hate it. Heavy but precise streering, awful gearbox when cold but good when fully warmed up, goes like go-kart but not much room for errors. Engine has lot of torque but missing the last few hundred revs vs 355 and 360, engine feels rock solid. Drive one or two before making up your mind!"
WillW
"My first Ferrari too. Went on to own multiple examples of all three variants. Not for everyone, heavy but precise steering, gearbox terrible but very nice when warm. Chassis surprisingly good on later cars, handling very go-kart like."
cgt
"My 1st Ferrari and I'm lucky enough to have the GTC variant.
It's a heavy car to drive at slow speeds and can be awkward to work with when cold; but once it's moving and warmed up it is simply sublime. Plenty of power, handles superbly and that noise (with tubi) is unbeatable. The response from other road users is fantastic and all I would say to those who are sceptical is try one and I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised."
pdavision
"Having driven the 328 and 355 - when you consider it's age (up to 18 years), the 348 is a cracking car and still represents excellent value.
Supercar looks, razor sharp steering, enough power to get most people into trouble......and of course, lets not forget IT IS A FERRARI.
What else can provide as much fun and turn as many heads from as little as £20k???
Had mine 3 years and spent a fortune on it not because anything particular went wrong, but i'm a stickler for detail and all of my expense have been through choice. In fact, in three years of ownership, the only faults the car's had has been a CV boot, flexible brake hoses, a mis-fire and a battery"
candellara
"My 348 was also my first Ferrari. I owned mine for over four years before selling it and buying a Lotus and then a Noble M12. Despite the Noble being sublime to drive both on road and on track, I always regretted selling my 348 and ended up buying it back from the guy I sold it to, and have not looked back since
I think it's looks are absolutely stunning. It's a bit heavy to drive at slow speeds and when cold, but once it's warmed up the engine (X-ost upgrade ) has plenty of torque and it's great on track. For a relatively heavy car the later 348's are great on track.
There's a lot of rubbish out there about 348's....as far as I'm concerned they are undervalued and a bargain entry into Ferrari ownership. My has done 43k now and is smoother now to drive than ever! Low mileage being good is yet another myth about Ferrari's."
Siban
"I agree with all above posts.
I have had a 348 spider for some 18 months now and have found it to be an amazing piece of kit
One of the last true Ferrari's and definately handles like a go-kart. It was a little hard to handle on the couple of times I got caught out when the rain started and I was at Weddings (but then again all Ferrari's from what I can gather are the same)
In terms of maintenance it hasnt cost me a vast amount and the pleasure gained far outweight any cost!!
Just gutted now as I have just had to put her up for sale as I am losing my garage space. I have posted on here and it is also on Pistonheads if anyone is interested??
I know one thing I will be getting back into 348 motor as soon as I can when the car goes2
SugaFezza
"The 348 is the ideal first Ferrari. It's affordable, it's got enough power to hold its own nearly twenty years after its introduction, luggage room and cockpit are obscenely spacious and it's pretty comfortable too. The unmistakably Pininfarina curves of the bodywork are classic and gorgeous, even if the slats on side and rear tend to polarise peoples' tastes. With it's upgraded successor - the 355 - it's the last chance to own a man's machine before the electronically controlled mass-produced jellymoulds arrived.
Mine has NEVER let me down, but you might need to be prepared to trawl the Internet for the different tips and tricks and be Mr. Fixit for a while. It gets better and better the more it's driven. Lack of power steering and large turning circle can make it unwieldy in a town centre car park.
Sometimes unloved - but only by other Ferrari owners! Never had anyone at a filling station say "That's one of those horrible 348's innit Mister?" Unpopular when introduced? No; they had their waiting lists and delivery slots being sold too!"
dasadrew
"The Ferrari 348, Lovely First F Car. I've spent over £10K in 6 months but ALL but £600. of it by choice anf the rest for Annual service. However I can't help feeling that the F355 is the one I would have if the cost of a good one wasn't so high. Alot has been sais about the steering & gearchange which is all true. You need to stay on top of things when putting your foot down especially in winter conditions as it's very unforgiving if you take your eye of the ball. Love it though. Buy the best you can afford as the price difference between the £20K cars and the £34K + cars is there for a reason IMHO."
Zak348Gtb
"My first Fcar and what a car it is. Never tired of it and smiled every where I went in it.
Reliability was outstanding as I only ever had one problem in 2 years with it which was damp in the electrics.
Handled far inside my driving ability and power was good for age of car. As for styling how could you not like those side strakes. Real sports car image.
Sold mine now which I am thinking was a bad idea. That's only a week later. Would I get another. Oh yes. Allready planning
If your thinking of getting one then do it2
achaddy
"My first ferrari was a 348 GTS and my second a 348 spider. If you want a raw go kart like feel, ride and handling the 348 is the model to have. Modern ferrari styling, aggresive stance with ok running costs that do not break the bank. The 348 has limited production numbers which make it a exclusive ferrari model to own and very few seen on the road. Its called the baby tessa in Italy."
Kenyon
"I have a 1991 348TB, bought it a year a go. I am the third owner, the car had done few km (32000 when I bought it) It had since new major services every 4th year(last by lambo) plus yearly service by Ferrari in Switzerland.
Where a few problems the car dealer fixt before delivery: the lock on the driver side did not work, the window washer did`t work, all internal instrument light did not work. After three months driving the speedometer sensor had to be changes.
In general the car has been reliable, and it a true joy to drive even the gearbox is fairly smooth when cold(it slips in to all gears)
And it is blue"
F348
"Mine's a 1990 TS so probably one of the worst examples of the worst model available. It's a bit embarrassing when you're in the company of Ferrari know-alls. A bit like when I used to own a Lada. Everyone knew that was the pits!
However, owning the least loved version of the best marque of car is probably the best philosophy to have. They're very affordable, mine's only cost me the petrol to run it up to now but it's due an annual service soon. The battery went flat after it had been stood for a couple of months but other than that it has been ultra reliable.
It is absolutely superb to drive apart from the awkward gear changes. You do have to let it decide when it wants to go into gear. The engine with the Tubi on sounds amazing, I usually get a crowd of admirers flanking me on the motorway.
Performance wise, I'm quite reluctant to push it too hard as there's not usually much room on the road for a flapping back end with a V8 acting as ballast but it has comfortably outrun more modern stuff like Honda S2000s, Porsches and Nissan Skylines on the twisty stuff.
If you think an extra gear, 1000 revs and power steering is worth £20,000, get an F355 and settle for the more feminine look!"
Greensleeves
"348 pros:
- have you seen how it looks!
- stunning head-turner, that SCREAMS Ferrari from every angle
- rare original looks on the road, thanks to side strakes and "cheese-grater" rear
- Spider body shape particularly rare and attractive, versus coupes
- sounds awesome with a Tubi, especially when decatted
- visually improves dramatically with modern wheels
- no power steering, or annoying CPU controls over handling/traction
- raw driving experience, tending towards being go-kart like
- bullet-proof engine
- relatively little to go wrong, reliable car
- Spider has manual hood
- rare compared to later Ferraris
348 cons:
- attracts too much attention for shy retiring types
- attracts envy from a minority of road users
- many naive petrolheads wrongly look down on the 348, as a bad Ferrari
- Spider is too flexi for poor roads, when pushed hard, to be a true driver's car"
Jas
"Had our 348TS for 3 years now, and its superb, I love it more than the wife, and Like Cinderella we spend on it to make it 'nicer'
looks stunning and feels special. don't like the look of the newer types. So I'll gladly stick with this for a few years yet.
Would recommend one to a first timer any day,"
Yorkshirelad
"my 2nd ferrari was and is my beloved 348. im on a tight budget adn i wanted the most excitement i could get for my money under the prancing horse umbarella.
i love opening the garage door and seeing her, such a sexy looking car, very understated by the critics i fear."
rizlaneill1000
"Had my 348 tb for 10 months now and just love it. Gear changes no problems even when cold. I must be one of the lucky ones. My first f-car, can see myself staying with this for a long time to come. Drive it three or four times a week.
LOVE IT."
Philip Barnard-Brown
"Life offers many opprtunities. Some we take, some we pass up, but I am so glad the one of the ones I chose to take was to buy my giallo 1993 348 Spider. It is quick, handles amazingly and sounds awesome. It turns heads, startles passes by and as I sit here picking the flies from between my teeth after another couple of hours behind the controls, I consider what I would have missed if I had not chosen this path to automotive enlightenment."
Sletti
"I started my Ferrari ownership in a 308GTBi, then moved onto a 348TS (Battery in the front). Obviously a big leap forward in development. Sure it wasn't the fastest car on the road, but it's presence was always respected.
The car was fairly standard, the only changes were colour coding of the skirts, engine cover etc, changing the exhaust and de-cat.
I ran the 348 for 2 years, serviced it annually at main dealers, and only had one problem which was the common exhaust / cat ecu failure. £180 later and all was solved. The car proved very reliable and gave me full confidence in the Ferrari brand.
I thoroughly enjoyed my 348 experience and would thoroughly recommend them!"
Sparky
"My first Ferrari was a 92 348tb had it for nearly 2 years it had 27k miles from new and was a minter.The only trouble i had was battery packed up,£65 and the throttle used to stick sometimes.
It was a wonderful car and im thinking of selling my TVR and getting another to keep the testa company."
celcius
"I love the 348 and from what I can tell most people out there like it too. I regularly spot people taking photos, asking if it's new, and the only times I've had any interest from the police was when they've been asking me to floor it
OK so it's not the easiest car to drive slowly and it's bit clunky when it's cold, but once warmed up and out on the open road it's simply wonderful. I was down at KHPC recently and spent a while looking around the showroom, there wasn't anything I would consider selling up for...apart from the F40 and 288 GTO"
Chris gilmartin
"My first Ferrari was a 348 TS (1991), red. I sold it two years ago to buy a 355 GTS, also red (sorry Angelis, but....Ferrari = red).
I loved that 348.
At the same time I owned a Porsche 911 turbo of the same year (1992). This one was much easy to handle, and faster, bur it was not a Ferrari.
The 348 was dangerous and instable over 220/230 Km/h. Yes, yes...I ordered the Hill-engineering spacers!
Made lot of kilometers in Spain and Portugal. I had only a big trouble, the gearbox, it had to be changed because it was completely destroyed."
Nuno.
"Bought mine 2 years ago with only 2000 miles on the clock.
Had a few misfires (sorted), alternator (sorted for £55 and my labour), still have occasional hot-start problem which I'll get round to sorting when I get a minute, bur hey! it's a supercar.
I put the few problems down to the low mileage/lack of use, and now she's running well, what a fantastic car. I've had fast 'Cosworths' , a 911, and various other fast cars but nothing comes close to my 348. I bought it because I'd done a Ferrari 'driving experience' day and much preferred the 'raw' feel of the 348 to the more refined 355.
I've had 5000 miles of fantastic motoring upto yet and won't be swapping my 348 for aything in a hurry.
By the way, mines an early one with battery in the rear etc and she still handles like a go-cart.........love it!"
Dave
"My first ever Ferrari a 348 TS and I have just had the car for a year now and I got to say I love it and I have not regretted it for one minute. I have driven many others including 355’s & 360’s and they are great cars but I just love the looks and raw feel of the 348. I done my research and bought the one of the last cars produced and I haven’t had one thing go wrong with it (touch wood) and I feel 100% confident in the reliability of the car. I bought the best and I did pay top money for it, but at the end of the day the car is in exceptional condition and that is what I was looking for when I was looking for one.
The car looks amazing like a true supercar, sounds great and drives very well. What more can you want? I have had loads of different cars and I have usually got bored of them and sold them within a year or so but I think this will be a keeper."
amo
"I bought my 93 348 Spider 3 years ago and it was my first Ferrari. The car although mechanically sound had suffered some neglect and I have spent the last few years slowly bringing it back to a decent standard.
I love the fact that for me, it is a true Ferrari in every sense, from the mid-engine layout to the open gate box. Every time the car comes out of the garage it is an occasion. Also being a full convertible you get true open top motoring.
It is also overlooked that unlike most of its contemporaries the 348 is fitted with fully adjustable suspension, allowing the car to be set up to your preference just like a race car. Finally as the car is relatively basic with few electronic aids, it makes for a good ownership proposition as the cars advance in years.
On the negative side, as much as people try to justify it, I believe that the handling of the 348 is flawed. I have driven a few performance cars and the 348 inspires the least confidence. The only other issue I have is the need to remove the engine every three years for a belt change. I feel this is a major design flaw which leads to excessive maintenance costs.
Overall I love the car, but it has the capacity to scare the hell out of me as well.
Good Luck"
Julian
"I bought my 348tb to campaign in the owners club Hillclimb series, the Pirelli Ferrari Hillclimb challenge. In this series a handicap is used to allow different tipo to compete against each other – and they do with some very experienced and competitive drivers and cars.
I wanted a car that had some mileage on it, hoping to avoid lack of use issues, had a great service history and was in very nice condition, although not concours, as that would be too difficult for me to run up a hill. An added bonus in the grigio model I bought was the alcantara dash put in by the first owner, cutting down screen reflection no end and, being named Connelly he also supplied his own leather to the factory!
I have had issues; the car was a bit fragile from lack of hard use, discs cracked, fuel tank sprung a leak etc. but nothing unusual for a 16 year old car. The alternator problems have now been cured, flywheel grease renewed, as have the corroding electrical connections. With the addition of race seats, a harness, 355 challenge rims and a new set of P Zeros we were set.
Now I reckon there is a reason why a 348 has won the series 4 times out of the last 5, obviously the driver helps! But it is very nearly as quick off the line as a 328 and is often not too far behind the 355’s times. It doesn’t do this by being a bad handling car, as the urban myth leads us to believe. Mine and last year’s winning car both have pretty standard suspension and still go round corners superbly. The rear can go awol, like any other mid-engined car, if not driven appropriately and you need to know what you and your car are doing before trying out trail braking, but on the whole it can be an extremely well balanced car, if the suspension is not showing signs of age, tyres and pressures are right and some spacers are added to the rear to widen the track a little.
I love everything about this car, quirks and all, and you never know, this year may see yet another 348 winning!"
XSV 348
"One of the 10 best cars in the world."
1991, Road & Track*
"Should the man who wants to spend £76,000 on a motor car buy a 348 tb? The answer is yes, yes, and yes a thousand times..... If the car had been good, or even very good that would have been enough, but the car is, in fact, a sensation. It makes a laughing stock out of the Honda NSX and, as far as the BMW 850 is concerned, well, this is like watching one of those nature programs when a whale eats a plankton."
Jeremy Clarkson*
Although he later changed his mind.
1991, Road & Track*
"Should the man who wants to spend £76,000 on a motor car buy a 348 tb? The answer is yes, yes, and yes a thousand times..... If the car had been good, or even very good that would have been enough, but the car is, in fact, a sensation. It makes a laughing stock out of the Honda NSX and, as far as the BMW 850 is concerned, well, this is like watching one of those nature programs when a whale eats a plankton."
Jeremy Clarkson*
Although he later changed his mind.
Edited by Angelis on Tuesday 16th September 08:26
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