More petrol tax
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Simonrockman

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7,063 posts

276 months

Eliminator

762 posts

276 months

Sunday 21st September 2003
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The treasury is broke. Much more than they admit, or than the press have got hold of. Billions. This is but the start of it. Stealthy tax rises until the next election then big tax increases - whoever wins.



robp

5,803 posts

285 months

Sunday 21st September 2003
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Cant say i'm surprised. Cigs booze and petrol (and plenty of other things) will always just continue to rise and rise
Dont you just love em'!

Apache

39,731 posts

305 months

Monday 22nd September 2003
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overall taxes have risen by 60% under labour, is there anything this govt has not royally fnucked up?

Derek R.

15 posts

268 months

Monday 22nd September 2003
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It was at such disgust at fuel duty increases the 'Fuel Protests' were triggered several years ago with such devastating effects that government brought in legislation to seize and lock up any such disruptive activists in future. Now these laws are in place, we will suffer yet another swingeing increase, to fund their desires for power over the world, it's politics and policies, knowledgeable that in the event of shouting "foul" we would get trounced. This has little to do with road safety or public transport, it's a disease emanating from a corrupted heart.

With the Lord Of The Rings trilogy in the popular eye, one cannot but draw parallels with the rise of Sauron. The sad fact is, that Britain still has such a high quota of 'decent sorts' who work hard for a living for tuppence and a bit of cake, that they will bear the burden yet again as they always will in fear of 'getting into trouble'.

Just one more appalled opinion.

Derek R.

mondeoman

11,430 posts

287 months

Monday 22nd September 2003
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All I could think when I heard this was that it'd slip through and no-one would notice, ....

Where is the straw and the camel when you need them?

cjn

230 posts

294 months

Monday 22nd September 2003
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This is hardly a surprise.

This was announced in the budget early this year & no-one made a fuss then so why is it suddenly a big deal??

The big fuss should have been made back in March/April time

eliminator

762 posts

276 months

Monday 22nd September 2003
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As said, this is not news and it will simply slip in. Unless it generates any kind of protest, that is.

1. We all need to write to MP - www.faxyourmp.com being my favourite route.
2. There has to be a march/rally/protest of some kind to waken up the press.
3. When the press wake up and report it perhaps the public will join in - as before

Apache

39,731 posts

305 months

Monday 22nd September 2003
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exactly, if you don't act you can't complain

Swilly

9,699 posts

295 months

Monday 22nd September 2003
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How many people marched in London against the Iraq war.....and the result was?

Fuel blockades will be the only way forward, until the next election that is.

Then it will be a case of the electorate making the effort to put things right.

hedgerley

621 posts

289 months

Monday 22nd September 2003
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Whilst this was announced in the last budget, my local MP (Gordon Brown) postponed the increase due to the volatility of the oil price as we invaded Iraq. They also passed legislation I believe that meant he wouldn't have to go back to Parliament to impose it when 'the time was right'. He obviously thinks that time is now and has 'slipped it in'. If the Scotsman hadn't had it at the top of the front page yesterday I certainly wouldn't have noticed it. Or at least not until I go to fill up at the end of the week.

Anyone fancy a whip round for an RPG, I can see his house from mine.......

JonRB

79,021 posts

293 months

Monday 22nd September 2003
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Look at it this way though folks - there are probably more motorists than there are taxpayers. Students, DHSS leeches, scroungers, couch potatoes, the retired; they all drive cars and hence pay the extra stealth tax.
If one were to succeed in reducing the fuel duty then the government would probably come clean and put income tax up. Since there are (probably) fewer taxpayers than motorists then you and I - the tax-paying motorist - would be hit harder in the pocket and the non-taxpaying motorist would get away with no increase.

So swings & roundabouts really. It's going to come out of your pocket somehow, so it might as well be at the petrol pumps as at the paycheque.

>> Edited by JonRB on Monday 22 September 17:21

mondeoman

11,430 posts

287 months

Monday 22nd September 2003
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Nah, bollax to that.

Get the bloody services right in the first place, sack all the bloody admin staff and "out-reach" workers and "wrist action facilitaors" in favour of people who actually DO something, then CUT the taxes .......

Utopia - maybe - EUROpe - NO bloomin way! :wink:

Eliminator

762 posts

276 months

Monday 22nd September 2003
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Mondeoman has it right.

The Govt is now taking more in tax receipts than has ever been taken (both cash and %GDP) but they have less to spend on delivering services. Waste and inefficiency are endemic and they are building on it, not fighting it. If they can always find more then they have no reason to try.

Challenges to their policies, complaining letters to all MPs asking them to cut waste and taxes, telling opinion polls you will vote extreme right wing, these are the low-impact actions that will have an effect. After that its fuel protests (and anything else that's "just in time", like supermarkets), road convoys, blocking town centres etc

Michael.McD

73 posts

277 months

Wednesday 24th September 2003
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What the F*** did we occupy Iraq for... and how come it's the yanks who get the cheap fuel?

Michael

gnomesmith

2,458 posts

297 months

Thursday 25th September 2003
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JonRB said:
Look at it this way though folks - there are probably more motorists than there are taxpayers. Students, DHSS leeches, scroungers, couch potatoes, the retired; they all drive cars and hence pay the extra stealth tax.


Are you suggesting that the retired, for whatever reason, do not pay tax? If only that was true.

superlightr

12,920 posts

284 months

Thursday 25th September 2003
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I thought our North Sea oil production exceeded our own consumption.?

Why cant we use our own oil and stuff the rest?

I wasnt on PH the last fuel crisis, be a good time to have a meet on the m25 at 20mph.

whats the MPG at 20 mph roughly for a normal car say a tiv or porker

shadowninja

79,190 posts

303 months

Thursday 25th September 2003
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Could do a Cannonball style protest run, just at 20mph rather than 120mph , going from county to county, different cars joining and leaving at set points.

JonRB

79,021 posts

293 months

Thursday 25th September 2003
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gnomesmith said:
Are you suggesting that the retired, for whatever reason, do not pay tax? If only that was true.
Well, those that don't work are presumably no longer paying National Insurance comtributions and Income Tax on employment income.

Perhaps I should have said less tax.

Spyderman

19 posts

271 months

Friday 26th September 2003
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Michael.McD said:
What the F*** did we occupy Iraq for... and how come it's the yanks who get the cheap fuel?

Michael

OPEC have just recently announced they will reduce oil sales in order to increase prices.

Why do we tolerate being fleeced by corrupt corporations and governments?