M6 Trackday brakes.
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Apologies if this has been covered before. Mate, who doesn't post on here, wants to start using his M6 for trackdays and is concerned about it's brakes. I'm sure there are a few on here who have experience/can offer advice on this re upgrades etc?
Much appreciated guys.
Pugs.
PS Current M6 that is!
Much appreciated guys.
Pugs.
PS Current M6 that is!
Edited by Pugsey on Thursday 18th September 17:26
I'd speak to John Thorne at Thorney Motorsport. Advised me on upgrading my E39 M5 brakes, taking into consideration proposed usage etc, been very happy with the results. I'm sure he'll have suggestions for the M6.
www.thorneymotorsport.co.uk
www.thorneymotorsport.co.uk
Can't imagine there are many people with experience of this as not a car you see on trackdays much. The simple and cheap option is decent pads, fluid and hoses as discs are usually pretty good on m cars. The next stage is ap or brembo kits which will cost thousands and not worth it for occassional use in my opinion.
Give the guys at Movit.de a shout. They probably make the best aftermarket brakes available, way above and beyond AP, Alcon etc.
On trackwork the pads will do most of the work as will the tyres. Put in some good fluids, but with a chassis that heavy and with all of the energy needing to go somewhere when slowing down there is not much more to do...
Tough call but give Movit.de a shout.
On trackwork the pads will do most of the work as will the tyres. Put in some good fluids, but with a chassis that heavy and with all of the energy needing to go somewhere when slowing down there is not much more to do...
Tough call but give Movit.de a shout.
I wouldn't go around making sweeping statements saying Movit were superior to well established brake companies like Alcon and AP, Movit are just another option. I don't known what Movit do nowadays but they started off by using Porsche Calipers and making kits from that, something that pretty anyone with a bit of machining skill can do. I'm not knocking Movit because they are highly regarded and do produce (or should that be source) good stuff that works well but suitable AP and Alcon kits would be just as effective.
Anyway I agree with Colin72blue, just upgrade the pads etc. if it's occasional trackdays and just live with the fact you won't be able to out brake caterhams
Anyway I agree with Colin72blue, just upgrade the pads etc. if it's occasional trackdays and just live with the fact you won't be able to out brake caterhams
Edited by Mroad on Thursday 18th September 21:30
Thanks guys. Must admit based on no particular experience of the M6 I'd already thought AP or Alcon. Can't imagine either produce crap - and even if they did it would be Grade A crap compared with BMW's crap. Given the guy is talking about three or four trackdays a year and one visit to the 'Ring I'd go along with the pads, fluid and lines suggestion but he does like to do things properly so I think he'll go the whole hog.
I'd be concerned that once the brakes are sorted they'll transfer forces to other suspension components that won't take it. In addition to very, very frequent brake replacement I believe that the M5 'Ring Taxis for example, have their main suspension components replaced regularly for this very reason..........Hopefully not a problem with less extreme use though!
I'd be concerned that once the brakes are sorted they'll transfer forces to other suspension components that won't take it. In addition to very, very frequent brake replacement I believe that the M5 'Ring Taxis for example, have their main suspension components replaced regularly for this very reason..........Hopefully not a problem with less extreme use though!
Edited by Pugsey on Thursday 18th September 21:44
belleair302 said:
Give the guys at Movit.de a shout. They probably make the best aftermarket brakes available, way above and beyond AP, Alcon etc.
Unfounded b
ks I fear... so far as I am concerned AP still set the standard to which all other brake manufacturers aspire. Brembo are a close second, Alcon also well regarded but few others come close. AP aren't the cheapest option out there but you really do get what you pay for.As M12Nathan said before me, please do prove us wrong.
Edited by houlbt on Thursday 18th September 21:49
Definatly tell your mate to get either
Brembo Oversize 6/8 piston Gt kit for a car of the M6's weight and speed potential, or failing that tell him to get some Performance Friction racing pads, callipers and disks, failing that go AP racing.
He could try just changing the disk, pads, hoses and fluid for uprated items for a cheaper alternative.
Mov'it, mate your telling me your going to save a few £100s on the thing that stops your car from certain doom by buying Movit or Stoptech or breakstuff, leave off, thats R'tarded .
And also don't buy a cheap kit, movit,stop tech, own brand brakes and put brembo and AP racing stickers over the callipers, it makes baby jesus cry, stop it.
With AP, Brembo, Alcon and Perfomance Friction, you will get piece of mind as they are superior products and there customer services are top notch i can vouch for AP racing and Brembo, both replaced discs and callipers free of charge within a day or two.
Brembo Oversize 6/8 piston Gt kit for a car of the M6's weight and speed potential, or failing that tell him to get some Performance Friction racing pads, callipers and disks, failing that go AP racing.
He could try just changing the disk, pads, hoses and fluid for uprated items for a cheaper alternative.
Mov'it, mate your telling me your going to save a few £100s on the thing that stops your car from certain doom by buying Movit or Stoptech or breakstuff, leave off, thats R'tarded .
And also don't buy a cheap kit, movit,stop tech, own brand brakes and put brembo and AP racing stickers over the callipers, it makes baby jesus cry, stop it.
With AP, Brembo, Alcon and Perfomance Friction, you will get piece of mind as they are superior products and there customer services are top notch i can vouch for AP racing and Brembo, both replaced discs and callipers free of charge within a day or two.
houlbt said:
belleair302 said:
Give the guys at Movit.de a shout. They probably make the best aftermarket brakes available, way above and beyond AP, Alcon etc.
Unfounded bks I fear... so far as I am concerned AP still set the standard to which all other brake manufacturers aspire. Brembo are a close second, Alcon also well regarded but few others come close. AP aren't the cheapest option out there but you really do get what you pay for.As M12Nathan said before me, please do prove us wrong.
Edited by houlbt on Thursday 18th September 21:49
Oh, and nice write-up in BMW Car mag btw!
Cheers again. Nothing really unexpected - apart from one 'wild card' - but great to get confirmation from a few who know what they're talking about. 
You may be interested to know that I've recently gone back in to another E92 M3. After using it for day to day duties for a while I'm going to create a 'Ring tool 'CSL' - now that BMW have gone cold on the idea - by stripping the interior, sorting suspension and brakes plus usual exhaust/mild engine mods. Should make a nice alternative to yet another GT3 and, given that the value of the car will be around £40k when I start modifying it, a much cheaper option too.
You may be interested to know that I've recently gone back in to another E92 M3. After using it for day to day duties for a while I'm going to create a 'Ring tool 'CSL' - now that BMW have gone cold on the idea - by stripping the interior, sorting suspension and brakes plus usual exhaust/mild engine mods. Should make a nice alternative to yet another GT3 and, given that the value of the car will be around £40k when I start modifying it, a much cheaper option too.
I'm probably as guilty as the rest for wanting to pimp my car with a nice set of AP's and have done so on Skylines, E36's and a CSL. They look and feel great but the truth is, and there are many people that will back me up in regard to M3's, the cars with uprated pads, fluid and hoses are just as quick as those with AP's. Am sure Tom can qualify that in Kumho the difference between AP and uprated standard is fairly minimal. I can see the importance for racing where every tenth of a second counts but for a few trackdays a year?
If you have the money then why not i suppose. Just seems a bit odd spending all that money on M6 brakes and running (presumably) normal tyres and suspension.
Never been to the ring but dont think it is as hard on brakes as many UK circuits. Again it probably depends what circuits the 3 days a year are on
Having spent loads over the years on modifying cars and only doing a few trackdays a year i have now realised the money is better spent on lessons and having a good base car.
Now stripping out the M6 completely and adding suspension, tyres etc would make an interesting car! Bit overkill perhaps.
If you have the money then why not i suppose. Just seems a bit odd spending all that money on M6 brakes and running (presumably) normal tyres and suspension.
Never been to the ring but dont think it is as hard on brakes as many UK circuits. Again it probably depends what circuits the 3 days a year are on
Having spent loads over the years on modifying cars and only doing a few trackdays a year i have now realised the money is better spent on lessons and having a good base car.
Now stripping out the M6 completely and adding suspension, tyres etc would make an interesting car! Bit overkill perhaps.
I think the issue with any sliding caliper setup (ala M power cars) is that the technology and materials are ultimately compromised for any serious use. Cast iron retains heat so well that even a hour after a serious drive your pads and fluid are still being gently cooked. Even with my little old e30 M3 I got sick and tired of filling my garage with toasted disks, if you want to use the car properly fit AP's and have done with it. Mine haven't needed a spanner near them in nearly 3 years apart from routine checks and cleaning.
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