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Strike1

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97 posts

219 months

Wednesday 24th September 2008
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Hi guys

Would any one be able to advise on what the maximum EGT that I should be reading on my SPA guage. I'm running the AMS 377 (685hp) with carb. 750 HP series double pumper. .........If only EFI ..........bow

Regards

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Slinky

15,704 posts

278 months

Wednesday 24th September 2008
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What figure are you seeing?

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Original Poster:

97 posts

219 months

Wednesday 24th September 2008
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Hi Slinky

I'm seeing 750/800 d/gre C

Cheers


Slinky

15,704 posts

278 months

Wednesday 24th September 2008
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Strike1 said:
Hi Slinky

I'm seeing 750/800 d/gre C

Cheers
Just trying to find some reference material to go against, but that seems a little warm to me.. are you running a lambda sensor? if so, what sort of AFR's are you seeing?

slinky

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Original Poster:

97 posts

219 months

Wednesday 24th September 2008
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Yip , running Innovate ,under load high 11/12's.......
Which sound fine to me........headache

Slinky

15,704 posts

278 months

Wednesday 24th September 2008
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Strike1 said:
Yip , running Innovate ,under load high 11/12's.......
Which sound fine to me........headache
Indeed they do... hmmm...

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Original Poster:

97 posts

219 months

Wednesday 24th September 2008
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Just checked exact no's now and 716 C ( 1321 f ) on one side and 765 C ( 1409 f ) on the other.

Help all Gurus.......bounce

kylemrushall

1,922 posts

233 months

Wednesday 24th September 2008
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Strike1 said:
Just checked exact no's now and 716 C ( 1321 f ) on one side and 765 C ( 1409 f ) on the other.

Help all Gurus.......bounce
What comp ratio are you running?? What the hell has been done to the engine to make 685bhp??????????????

Captain Slog

375 posts

226 months

Wednesday 24th September 2008
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kylemrushall said:
What comp ratio are you running?? What the hell has been done to the engine to make 685bhp??????????????
It must be this according to the AS website

685 hp @6800 rpm 18 deg. Dry Sump, 580 ft. lbs. torque @4900rpm, 10.5 comp

738 driver

1,202 posts

222 months

Wednesday 24th September 2008
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Kyle, 685(corrected) from a 377 is not that unrealistic now. Cam/ head tech is further advanced than even just two years ago!
Very good quality breathing/internal bits and lots of revs !
Would be interested in what diameter headers are being run in this combo?

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97 posts

219 months

Wednesday 24th September 2008
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Spot on guys....... 10.5 ratio

Trust me when you pull the trigger all hell lets loose....
Soooooo..... whats the verdict......part throttle tends to lean out to high 14's , other than that think i should go richer on the second.s..... confused

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ezakimak

1,871 posts

265 months

Thursday 25th September 2008
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If you advance the timing you may find that you move towards the detonation/pinging threshold. This will usually come with an associated increase in EGT.

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Original Poster:

97 posts

219 months

Thursday 25th September 2008
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Hey Guys

Just in from AMS....EGT temps on your engine ran from 1140 to 1370 low rpm to high rpm. Average was 1296
This was with 93 octane unleaded fuel. Higher octane fuels will run cooler. This is fairly normal for 93 octane..........
Timing is at 42 d/gre , which is at 3000 rpm , factory setting. Maby the quality of fuel over here , thinking of trying higher octane at this point, whats the consensis........rolleyes

738 driver

1,202 posts

222 months

Thursday 25th September 2008
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Although your profile photo is close to the coast, what altitude are you testing at. Some quite high locations in SA.........this, if combined with a slightly lower grade fuel will give you differences to A/S's initial setup. Even just 2000ft above sea level will make a noticeable difference........just one theory!

kylemrushall

1,922 posts

233 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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738 driver said:
Kyle, 685(corrected) from a 377 is not that unrealistic now. Cam/ head tech is further advanced than even just two years ago!
Very good quality breathing/internal bits and lots of revs !
Would be interested in what diameter headers are being run in this combo?
sorry but whether corrected or not 685 is not realistic!!!

Mine is a 377 with great bits a bonkers cam, higher comp ratio 10.8 to 1, it does only have 23 degree heads not 18's but that might make 40 bhp difference. It revs to 7000rpm but would go to 7500 with no issues and it made 540bhp on Tim Adams dyno.
I watched Tim dyno a monster 6.8 litre ali blocked race engine, with 11.5 to 1 comp ratio, 18 degree heads, £3000 crank, titanium rods, jesel rockers, mega money heads and kinsler injection on motech and that made 625bhp at 7000 rpm!!!!

SO IM SORRY 685bhp is nonsense.

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97 posts

219 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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I take it you're talking bhp at the wheels , mine made 685 bhp at the flywheel and 575 bhp at the wheels lets put a correction factor of 15% , thats 660 bhp at the flywheel , soooo.......... 25 bhp short of the AMS dyno sheet . Im happy with that....... winkbounce

kylemrushall

1,922 posts

233 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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Strike1 said:
I take it you're talking bhp at the wheels , mine made 685 bhp at the flywheel and 575 bhp at the wheels lets put a correction factor of 15% , thats 660 bhp at the flywheel , soooo.......... 25 bhp short of the AMS dyno sheet . Im happy with that....... winkbounce
no im not, im talking at the fly .... as i said on an engine dyno.

how did you get an at the wheels figure??

15% off 685 makes 573 at the flywheel which is more like it.

I to have a 377 it is great, i love the way it revs.

738 driver

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222 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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Sorry Kyle,,,,, I was talking up a bit more on the revs though.........peak hp at 7600 change at 8k, 11.5;1 comp, custom ground/matched cam (not comp catalogue item), intake, heads and shaft system will give 600+ flywheel hp!

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97 posts

219 months

Friday 26th September 2008
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American Speed supplied the motor with a dyno sheet of 685 hp and 580 ft/lb .
Once the engine was installed we dynod it and got 575 hp at the wheels so I've estimated a 15 % drivetrain loss so add 15 % to 575 hp and you get 661 hp at the fly , which is 24 hp short of their 685 hp figure , which by the way also had a c/f. beer