Over-rad air intakes
Discussion
Yep, saw a guy with a PWR (maggie/harrop) style with one fitted in Oz. I think there are pics on ls1.com.au but god knows where now.
Best to email a few Oz shops and see what fits with what. Harrop might even be able to tell you etc.
Its going to boil down to which SC sits the throttle body in the closest place to stock and not off to the side etc.
Best to email a few Oz shops and see what fits with what. Harrop might even be able to tell you etc.
Its going to boil down to which SC sits the throttle body in the closest place to stock and not off to the side etc.
hsv_sc said:
ringram said:
Yeah not seen one for that setup, its not really suitable.
yeah my thinking too.. but am looking for something that doesnt involve hanging the filter at the bottom of the bumper...I know it would look strange but.......?
How about this one. Although I'm not sure how it would handle engine torque twist. Cost AU$700 shipped to UK.
If it works as good as it looks? Although HP per dollar ( plus import &VAT) what's the bang for the buck looking like with a mafless Rich?
If it works as good as it looks? Although HP per dollar ( plus import &VAT) what's the bang for the buck looking like with a mafless Rich?
Edited by MyM8V8 on Friday 26th September 17:31
Bonnie and Clyde said:
Doesn't this maffless thingy eliminate the need for a super charger? Or can you have both? If not why not?
the MAF is an air flow sensor, your car uses it to measure the airflow and help to determine the amount of fuel required amongst other things.Removing the MAF forces you to use the VE table for fuel look up based on manifold pressure instead of a combination when using the MAF. Some think its an advantage and if you run in a constant climate, altitude you can see the point. Also its one less thing to go wrong if you remove it and when tuning its far easier to tune without it or tune to not have one.
I went back to running with a MAF as it also has its advantages but not to ultimate power. The MAF is not a supercharger its just an 80 quid sensor that sits in the intake track. It isnt a performance item though you can buy bigger more accurate ones that claim increases of power. If you remove it completely it helps with clearing the airflow so its less obstruction to the intake.
Mine is the Russo one. Looks a bit more basic than that. But supposed to be slightly better.
Yes lots of arguments maf v mafless. Its easier to tune with a maf anyway. But once you hit serious mods you are almost forced mafless anyway due to its limitations.
Slightly better throttle response and allows for a clearer shorter intake tract without it. Hence why otrcai intakes are almost always mafless.
Ive been mafless almost from the word go. Well drove my vxr8 with the maf until I got my otrcai. My old R8 Clubsport had the maf removed too. For a no holds barred NA engine mafless is the way to go. Maf's better accuracy is more to do with it measuring airmass better at different climates etc. BUT there are loads of tables in the ECU for pressure, temp etc which suggests if your mafless is no good you have not tuned all the tables properly
The Old GTS-R HSV's in the UK are also all Mafless. Im not sure but the W427 looks mafless too.
Yes lots of arguments maf v mafless. Its easier to tune with a maf anyway. But once you hit serious mods you are almost forced mafless anyway due to its limitations.
Slightly better throttle response and allows for a clearer shorter intake tract without it. Hence why otrcai intakes are almost always mafless.
Ive been mafless almost from the word go. Well drove my vxr8 with the maf until I got my otrcai. My old R8 Clubsport had the maf removed too. For a no holds barred NA engine mafless is the way to go. Maf's better accuracy is more to do with it measuring airmass better at different climates etc. BUT there are loads of tables in the ECU for pressure, temp etc which suggests if your mafless is no good you have not tuned all the tables properly
The Old GTS-R HSV's in the UK are also all Mafless. Im not sure but the W427 looks mafless too.
ringram said:
Mine is the Russo one. Looks a bit more basic than that. But supposed to be slightly better.
Yes lots of arguments maf v mafless. Its easier to tune with a maf anyway. But once you hit serious mods you are almost forced mafless anyway due to its limitations.
Slightly better throttle response and allows for a clearer shorter intake tract without it. Hence why otrcai intakes are almost always mafless.
Ive been mafless almost from the word go. Well drove my vxr8 with the maf until I got my otrcai. My old R8 Clubsport had the maf removed too. For a no holds barred NA engine mafless is the way to go. Maf's better accuracy is more to do with it measuring airmass better at different climates etc. BUT there are loads of tables in the ECU for pressure, temp etc which suggests if your mafless is no good you have not tuned all the tables properly
The Old GTS-R HSV's in the UK are also all Mafless. Im not sure but the W427 looks mafless too.
Yes lots of arguments maf v mafless. Its easier to tune with a maf anyway. But once you hit serious mods you are almost forced mafless anyway due to its limitations.
Slightly better throttle response and allows for a clearer shorter intake tract without it. Hence why otrcai intakes are almost always mafless.
Ive been mafless almost from the word go. Well drove my vxr8 with the maf until I got my otrcai. My old R8 Clubsport had the maf removed too. For a no holds barred NA engine mafless is the way to go. Maf's better accuracy is more to do with it measuring airmass better at different climates etc. BUT there are loads of tables in the ECU for pressure, temp etc which suggests if your mafless is no good you have not tuned all the tables properly
The Old GTS-R HSV's in the UK are also all Mafless. Im not sure but the W427 looks mafless too.
Whats otrcai? and whats NA
Stigmundfreud said:
Bonnie and Clyde said:
Doesn't this maffless thingy eliminate the need for a super charger? Or can you have both? If not why not?
the MAF is an air flow sensor, your car uses it to measure the airflow and help to determine the amount of fuel required amongst other things.
Removing the MAF forces you to use the VE table for fuel look up based on manifold pressure instead of a combination when using the MAF. Some think its an advantage and if you run in a constant climate, altitude you can see the point. Also its one less thing to go wrong if you remove it and when tuning its far easier to tune without it or tune to not have one.
I went back to running with a MAF as it also has its advantages but not to ultimate power. The MAF is not a supercharger its just an 80 quid sensor that sits in the intake track. It isnt a performance item though you can buy bigger more accurate ones that claim increases of power. If you remove it completely it helps with clearing the airflow so its less obstruction to the intake.
Whats the VE table?
You need to use google more mate
otrcai = Over the Radiator Cold Air Intake (Like the intake in the picture above)
VE table = Volumetric Efficiency table a basic key table in engine management systems which maps out engine efficiency over the operating range of the engine. Basically use to calculate fuel requirements.
otrcai = Over the Radiator Cold Air Intake (Like the intake in the picture above)
VE table = Volumetric Efficiency table a basic key table in engine management systems which maps out engine efficiency over the operating range of the engine. Basically use to calculate fuel requirements.
ringram said:
You need to use google more mate
otrcai = Over the Radiator Cold Air Intake (Like the intake in the picture above)
VE table = Volumetric Efficiency table a basic key table in engine management systems which maps out engine efficiency over the operating range of the engine. Basically use to calculate fuel requirements.
otrcai = Over the Radiator Cold Air Intake (Like the intake in the picture above)
VE table = Volumetric Efficiency table a basic key table in engine management systems which maps out engine efficiency over the operating range of the engine. Basically use to calculate fuel requirements.
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