Max Mosley - perverting the course of justice?
Discussion
Having just been reading posts by Paul Stoddart on Pitpass, in particular this one - http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_feature_ite... - and then thinking of the McLaren appeal this week with regard to the claims made about the conversation between Scott-Andrews and Whiting I wonder how often MM thinks he can get away with this. It is one thing perverting the course of justice in his own little world of the FIA, where the usual rules for justice do not exist, but I had forgotten Stoddart's allegation (which has never been challenged to my knowledge) which relates to a real court.
When the witness (woman 5) failed to turn up at the News of the World trial relating to MM being a Nazi my thought was that she had been pressured into not turning up as her truthful statement would not be in MM's interest. Of course, that is only my opinion and conjecture. However, if you add in the Australian perversion of the course of justice, and this weeks obvious case of it there does seem to be a body of evidence against MM - are there any other incidences that we either know, or don't know of?
And if any of these were proven, would it actually make any difference?
PS. There was no pun intended in the title, but as I wrote it I couldn't help thinking at the link between Max Mosley and the word pervert.
When the witness (woman 5) failed to turn up at the News of the World trial relating to MM being a Nazi my thought was that she had been pressured into not turning up as her truthful statement would not be in MM's interest. Of course, that is only my opinion and conjecture. However, if you add in the Australian perversion of the course of justice, and this weeks obvious case of it there does seem to be a body of evidence against MM - are there any other incidences that we either know, or don't know of?
And if any of these were proven, would it actually make any difference?
PS. There was no pun intended in the title, but as I wrote it I couldn't help thinking at the link between Max Mosley and the word pervert.
andyps said:
PS. There was no pun intended in the title, but as I wrote it I couldn't help thinking at the link between Max Mosley and the word pervert.
We knew there was no link between Max Mosley and the word "justice"!Whilst we're on the subject of Mosley's relationship to lawful or unlawful activities, how about an enquiry into the Euston 40?
flemke said:
andyps said:
PS. There was no pun intended in the title, but as I wrote it I couldn't help thinking at the link between Max Mosley and the word pervert.
We knew there was no link between Max Mosley and the word "justice"!Whilst we're on the subject of Mosley's relationship to lawful or unlawful activities, how about an enquiry into the Euston 40?
andyps said:
flemke said:
andyps said:
PS. There was no pun intended in the title, but as I wrote it I couldn't help thinking at the link between Max Mosley and the word pervert.
We knew there was no link between Max Mosley and the word "justice"!Whilst we're on the subject of Mosley's relationship to lawful or unlawful activities, how about an enquiry into the Euston 40?
When Archer lied it was a massive risk. He must have realised this himself at a later date. But some people who have a great deal of conceit think everyone else is stupid and of no account. I've not done many big jobs in my police career but in some of those that I have the stupidity of the offender, some of them intelligent people, has stunned me. It's all down to conceit.
But even so, if Mosley had colluded with this woman, she would have a massive hold over him. It would only be a matter of time before the bubble burst. Someone who will lie for you will lie against you. Would he be that stupid?
I went as the muscle with a DI to arrest a chap for an absolute massive fraud. We went into the restaurant of a posh hotel and the DI told him of the evidence we had against him. The odd thing was that he was aware of our enquiry and still carried on as normal. When I searched him I found incriminating documents on him. He was having a meal with his lawyer and the DI joked that we would use him as a witness if the chap suggested we had planted it.
The bloke went down but even so he evidently didn't seem to realise it. Very odd.
I would suggest that if Mosley did indeed say that he enjoys people cricising him then he's a long way down the road to Arhcer levels of conceit. Very risky.
But even so, if Mosley had colluded with this woman, she would have a massive hold over him. It would only be a matter of time before the bubble burst. Someone who will lie for you will lie against you. Would he be that stupid?
I went as the muscle with a DI to arrest a chap for an absolute massive fraud. We went into the restaurant of a posh hotel and the DI told him of the evidence we had against him. The odd thing was that he was aware of our enquiry and still carried on as normal. When I searched him I found incriminating documents on him. He was having a meal with his lawyer and the DI joked that we would use him as a witness if the chap suggested we had planted it.
The bloke went down but even so he evidently didn't seem to realise it. Very odd.
I would suggest that if Mosley did indeed say that he enjoys people cricising him then he's a long way down the road to Arhcer levels of conceit. Very risky.
MM2200 said:
If there is any doubt about whether his heart is in it, its worth pointing out that mosely has said (paraphrased) that he gets pleasure from reading peoples protests and witnessing their fury over the decisions he makes.
It's no surprise that those sentiments would be expressed by an S&M freak.flemke said:
If a citizen goes to the CPS with a reasonable suspicion (based, for example, on sworn testimony from a trial in Crown Court) that a crime has been committed, is the CPS not obliged to consider whether the potentiality of a crime and the evidence of it justify an investigation?
The idea behind the CPS was to separate the enquiry from the prosecution, keeping the CPS independant. I accept that the intent has not been fulfilled but I'm under the impression that the CPS cannot instigate an offence, even one that occurred in court. It can supply information to the police.The norm is for the judge to be approached in such a case. I've no idea why and what goes on in these convesations is not something I've been privvy to. When I was crown court liaison i had to arrange a couple but was excluded.
A judge can instigate an enquiry by the police. If a judge said do it, we'd do it.
So my understanding is that in the initial stages all the CPS can do is submit information. What the police do with it is down to them solely. However, the CPS has tremendous influence. I feel sure they wouldn't use it improperly.
MM2200 said:
If there is any doubt about whether his heart is in it, its worth pointing out that mosely has said (paraphrased) that he gets pleasure from reading peoples protests and witnessing their fury over the decisions he makes.
Does that mean Max has been getting off on some of my writings about him, oh I feel all dirty
On a positive note I guess I can invoice him as he is used to paying for his pleasure.
On a more serious note, Max is a Lawyer (is he registered as such in the UK?) It may be worth talking to Law Society about his curious activities, both in Law and "private". It may not hold much sway with the FIA but would nice to see him struck off, er so to speak.
Edited by PJS917 on Friday 26th September 08:47
flemke said:
andyps said:
PS. There was no pun intended in the title, but as I wrote it I couldn't help thinking at the link between Max Mosley and the word pervert.
We knew there was no link between Max Mosley and the word "justice"!Whilst we're on the subject of Mosley's relationship to lawful or unlawful activities, how about an enquiry into the Euston 40?
If , like me, you don't know the Euston 40
He's a grubby little bottom feeder, isn't he ?
He's a grubby little bottom feeder, isn't he ?
Edited by stuttgartmetal on Friday 26th September 11:11
flemke said:
andyps said:
PS. There was no pun intended in the title, but as I wrote it I couldn't help thinking at the link between Max Mosley and the word pervert.
We knew there was no link between Max Mosley and the word "justice"!Whilst we're on the subject of Mosley's relationship to lawful or unlawful activities, how about an enquiry into the Euston 40?
Police State said:
flemke said:
andyps said:
PS. There was no pun intended in the title, but as I wrote it I couldn't help thinking at the link between Max Mosley and the word pervert.
We knew there was no link between Max Mosley and the word "justice"!Whilst we're on the subject of Mosley's relationship to lawful or unlawful activities, how about an enquiry into the Euston 40?
flemke said:
Police State said:
flemke said:
andyps said:
PS. There was no pun intended in the title, but as I wrote it I couldn't help thinking at the link between Max Mosley and the word pervert.
We knew there was no link between Max Mosley and the word "justice"!Whilst we're on the subject of Mosley's relationship to lawful or unlawful activities, how about an enquiry into the Euston 40?
Police State said:
flemke said:
Police State said:
flemke said:
andyps said:
PS. There was no pun intended in the title, but as I wrote it I couldn't help thinking at the link between Max Mosley and the word pervert.
We knew there was no link between Max Mosley and the word "justice"!Whilst we're on the subject of Mosley's relationship to lawful or unlawful activities, how about an enquiry into the Euston 40?
I wonder if Spanky has had the name changed to "Exposed"?
Police State said:
flemke said:
Police State said:
flemke said:
andyps said:
PS. There was no pun intended in the title, but as I wrote it I couldn't help thinking at the link between Max Mosley and the word pervert.
We knew there was no link between Max Mosley and the word "justice"!Whilst we're on the subject of Mosley's relationship to lawful or unlawful activities, how about an enquiry into the Euston 40?
andyps said:
Police State said:
flemke said:
Police State said:
flemke said:
andyps said:
PS. There was no pun intended in the title, but as I wrote it I couldn't help thinking at the link between Max Mosley and the word pervert.
We knew there was no link between Max Mosley and the word "justice"!Whilst we're on the subject of Mosley's relationship to lawful or unlawful activities, how about an enquiry into the Euston 40?
Police State said:
andyps said:
Police State said:
flemke said:
Police State said:
flemke said:
andyps said:
PS. There was no pun intended in the title, but as I wrote it I couldn't help thinking at the link between Max Mosley and the word pervert.
We knew there was no link between Max Mosley and the word "justice"!Whilst we're on the subject of Mosley's relationship to lawful or unlawful activities, how about an enquiry into the Euston 40?
If Mosley's witness's allegations were false, then she would have been PCJ in perjuring herself.
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