Officers caught by speed campaign in N.Wales.
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Officers caught by speed campaign
Chief Constable Richard Brunstrom backs the speeding campaign
An anti-speeding campaign backed by North Wales Chief Constable Richard Brunstrom has caught 12 of his own officers breaking the limit while on duty.
The force's Arrive Alive campaign, set up to try to cut the number of fatalities on the roads by telling drivers to drop their speed, caught 103 force vehicles driving too fast in the past year.
In 82 cases the police cars were answering emergency calls but in a further 12, the driver had no legitimate excuse and received three points on their licence and a £60 fine.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_east/3135228.stm
Chief Constable Richard Brunstrom backs the speeding campaign
An anti-speeding campaign backed by North Wales Chief Constable Richard Brunstrom has caught 12 of his own officers breaking the limit while on duty.
The force's Arrive Alive campaign, set up to try to cut the number of fatalities on the roads by telling drivers to drop their speed, caught 103 force vehicles driving too fast in the past year.
In 82 cases the police cars were answering emergency calls but in a further 12, the driver had no legitimate excuse and received three points on their licence and a £60 fine.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_east/3135228.stm
So Richard B is doing his best to increse his popularity with his loyal officers eh ? The only ones who do not overtly loath him seem to be the obsequeous sychophantic asst chief constables he has surrounded himself with who are expected to jump to his defence every time the press have a go at him.
Since he has branded the rest of us as anti-social criminals for speeding then I suppose that epithet must apply to a number of his staff
Since he has branded the rest of us as anti-social criminals for speeding then I suppose that epithet must apply to a number of his staff
This is not an unusual thing to happen. Most forces employ a system that allows any Police vehicle driver to claim an exemption by filling in a form and attaching the hard copy of the command and control log of the job they were attending to the NIP/Section 172 notice.
Those that have no legitimate excuse pay the price exactly as anyone else who is caught in those circumstances.
Those that have no legitimate excuse pay the price exactly as anyone else who is caught in those circumstances.
toad_oftoadhall said:
Those that have no legitimate excuse pay the price exactly as anyone else who is caught in those circumstances.
...but they don't resign.
Why should they resign over a minor traffic violation?
In my force there is a double jeopardy system anyway. If you are caught breaking a traffic law that is considered a minor point in law, then you are required to disclose this to your area commander who will take whatever disciplinary action he deems necessary to deal with it.
Ultimately breaking a traffic law is considered by the Police Dicipline codes of conduct as 'Criminal Conduct'. Chief officers have the power to remove officers from the force if they are found or plead guilty to criminal conduct.
I can't tell you why speeding is not a sackable offence and Drink Driving is. They can both be as dangerous as the other depending on the levels of each offence in each situation.
On another note, I don't see MP's, who actually make the laws resigning when they are captured by them. Even serious traffic offences are not deemed subject of the ultimate sacrifice in employment!
I dont think cops caught speeding should resign, unless the offence merits it ie 150mph through town etc.
But in North Wales, Brunstrom is quoted as saying speeders are criminals.
How therefore can he not sack those officers caught speeding and maintain his viewpoint and credibility?? , ridiculous as it is.
Yes, they may be disciplined but to not sack them does in fact condone criminality within his force, and discredits the other forces in this country, tar and brush and all that.
It would be like catching your officers drug dealing, disciplineing them but allowing them to continue in their positions, on the assumption that you agree with Brunstrom's view that speeders are criminals.
But in North Wales, Brunstrom is quoted as saying speeders are criminals.
How therefore can he not sack those officers caught speeding and maintain his viewpoint and credibility?? , ridiculous as it is.
Yes, they may be disciplined but to not sack them does in fact condone criminality within his force, and discredits the other forces in this country, tar and brush and all that.
It would be like catching your officers drug dealing, disciplineing them but allowing them to continue in their positions, on the assumption that you agree with Brunstrom's view that speeders are criminals.
madcop said:
Why should they resign over a minor traffic violation?
Why should they keep their job if they have no respect for the law?
Or do the police view speeding as a trivial and harmless technical offence that usually happens accidentally? If so why do they alienate and criminalise 2 million motorists a year for it?
toad_oftoadhall said:
Why should they resign over a minor traffic violation?
Why should they keep their job if they have no respect for the law?
Or do the police view speeding as a trivial and harmless technical offence that usually happens accidentally? If so why do they alienate and criminalise 2 million motorists a year for it?
We really do need to put our sensible hats on boys.
tonyrec said:
madcop said:
Why should they resign over a minor traffic violation?
Why should they keep their job if they have no respect for the law?
Or do the police view speeding as a trivial and harmless technical offence that usually happens accidentally? If so why do they alienate and criminalise 2 million motorists a year for it?
We really do need to put our sensible hats on boys.
Agreed.....
tonyrec said:
madcop said:
Why should they resign over a minor traffic violation?
Why should they keep their job if they have no respect for the law?
Or do the police view speeding as a trivial and harmless technical offence that usually happens accidentally? If so why do they alienate and criminalise 2 million motorists a year for it?
We really do need to put our sensible hats on boys.
I agree we need to put our sensible hats on, particularly some of the BIB, eg Brunstrom. It seems that quite rightly minor infringements of speed limits by officers are largely ingnored by most forces and major ones are prosecuted. Most reasonable members of the public would accept that as a sensible aproach. It is not right that officers should be expected to fall on their sword for minor infringemets of the speed limits. After all they are trivial and are set by people with very tiny trivial little minds. It is also nonesense that the police should take umbridge because the outrageously persecuted motorist bites back. Richard Brunstrom is an idiot. He is wrong about a great many issues to the point of being away with the fairies. His staff should fight back. In my experience bullying litte men like him back off when confronted. Turning the argument on its head there is now a clear case that Brunstrom should resign as his officers have clearly disregarded his authority, local politicians are critical and the vast majority of N Wales residents want their televisions and videos back.
Richard C said:
So Richard B is doing his best to increse his popularity with his loyal officers eh ? The only ones who do not overtly loath him seem to be the obsequeous sychophantic asst chief constables he has surrounded himself with who are expected to jump to his defence every time the press have a go at him.
Since he has branded the rest of us as anti-social criminals for speeding then I suppose that epithet must apply to a number of his staff
Have you noticed how the Deputy Chief Constable appears to be keeping out of the speeding issue, other than a chat with some irate bikers, some of whom had been pulled into a lay-by and kept for a long time whilst their bikes were given "safety" checks?
Hmmmm. The nextChief??
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