Paint correction and first real detail - Jaguar XJR
Discussion
I've been using an orbital polisher for a little while, basically just with some cutting compound, and then Autoglym SRP over the top. This keeps my bright red cabs shiny, but not amazing... I mean, there are still swirls and stuff and none of the bright red paint seems to come off, so I can't see how it would improve the surface...
Anyhow... I've just bought an XJR. Car is blue and 8 years old, and although in good condition there are a few bits I would like to smarten up.
Firstly, the paint kind of looks hazy in places, not because of any defect, just due to a fair bit of swirling and light surface marks that have built up over the years. I thought I could sort this ok, but it turns out my methods must either be correcting some swirls and putting others in, or just not having any effect whatsoever
The car also has some repaired stone chips at the front which are in a slightly different shade to the rest of the paint - i'm guessing the colour difference is down to the way the light hits the 'splodges', any tips on cleaning those up would be great too
I've got some decent carnuba wax for afterwards, but I really want the ins and outs of paint correction - I thought I knew how to do it, but I've been proven wrong.
Can anyone recommend me some good leather products to give the ivory leather firstly a deep clean, and then a good feed and some protection? Restore that new leather smell
Is Jaguar paint generally quite thick? I've not owned one before. Cheers
Anyhow... I've just bought an XJR. Car is blue and 8 years old, and although in good condition there are a few bits I would like to smarten up.
Firstly, the paint kind of looks hazy in places, not because of any defect, just due to a fair bit of swirling and light surface marks that have built up over the years. I thought I could sort this ok, but it turns out my methods must either be correcting some swirls and putting others in, or just not having any effect whatsoever
The car also has some repaired stone chips at the front which are in a slightly different shade to the rest of the paint - i'm guessing the colour difference is down to the way the light hits the 'splodges', any tips on cleaning those up would be great too
I've got some decent carnuba wax for afterwards, but I really want the ins and outs of paint correction - I thought I knew how to do it, but I've been proven wrong.
Can anyone recommend me some good leather products to give the ivory leather firstly a deep clean, and then a good feed and some protection? Restore that new leather smell
Is Jaguar paint generally quite thick? I've not owned one before. Cheers
Leather care - LLT Solutions or Furniture Clinic is what you need.
As for your correction - could be a case of the SRP being too abrasive, not being broken down fully, or the wrong pad being used, or a combination thereof.
What pad(s) do you have? What polishes, aside from SRP do you have?
Jaguar paint isn't that thick, and it's not that that hard, so machine using SRP, I'd have thought, was a bit too much.
As for your correction - could be a case of the SRP being too abrasive, not being broken down fully, or the wrong pad being used, or a combination thereof.
What pad(s) do you have? What polishes, aside from SRP do you have?
Jaguar paint isn't that thick, and it's not that that hard, so machine using SRP, I'd have thought, was a bit too much.
PJ S said:
Leather care - LLT Solutions or Furniture Clinic is what you need.
As for your correction - could be a case of the SRP being too abrasive, not being broken down fully, or the wrong pad being used, or a combination thereof.
What pad(s) do you have? What polishes, aside from SRP do you have?
Jaguar paint isn't that thick, and it's not that that hard, so machine using SRP, I'd have thought, was a bit too much.
I haven't touched the paint yet... it's clean, generally shiny but needs making perfect again As for your correction - could be a case of the SRP being too abrasive, not being broken down fully, or the wrong pad being used, or a combination thereof.
What pad(s) do you have? What polishes, aside from SRP do you have?
Jaguar paint isn't that thick, and it's not that that hard, so machine using SRP, I'd have thought, was a bit too much.
KingRichard said:
PJ S said:
Leather care - LLT Solutions or Furniture Clinic is what you need.
Red cab specific - As for your correction - could be a case of the SRP being too abrasive, not being broken down fully, or the wrong pad being used, or a combination thereof.
General related Q - What pad(s) do you have? What polishes, aside from SRP do you have?
Jaguar specific - Jaguar paint isn't that thick, and it's not that that hard, so machine using SRP, I'd have thought, was a bit too much.
I haven't touched the paint yet... it's clean, generally shiny but needs making perfect again Red cab specific - As for your correction - could be a case of the SRP being too abrasive, not being broken down fully, or the wrong pad being used, or a combination thereof.
General related Q - What pad(s) do you have? What polishes, aside from SRP do you have?
Jaguar specific - Jaguar paint isn't that thick, and it's not that that hard, so machine using SRP, I'd have thought, was a bit too much.
although SRP is an abbrasive polish its mainly full of fillers so even though it breaks down the paint slightly it just fills in the scratches/swirls, it does work pretty well with a machine polisher but you may be better off buying some better polish.
I've got a megs g220 orbital polisher and use meguiars #80 and 83 polishes with a combination of pads depending on the car. One is more abrasive than the other so if the paintwork was quite hard and the least abbrasive didnt make much difference i'd go over the car with the stronger one, and then again with the less abbrasive one.
What polisher do you use, and do you have different pads for it?
srp with a polishing pad should make a bit of difference but if you were to get either megs 80+83 or some merzenza polish you should get that paint looking brand new again!
if you go on http://www.polishedbliss.com/ ( not sure if im allowed to put the link! ) they sell stuff there i think, and also have some guides/info
otherwise take a look on detailingworld.com - a lot of knowledge on there!
ETA: read the question again! so will add this lol
basically i'd start with the least abbrasive polish/cutting compound with the polisher on a finishing pad preferably ( softest one )on a low speed to spread the polish around the panel ( smaller areas are better ) then make a few passes up and down the panel working the polish in, most polishes should start turning clear or the residue will at least start disspearing. That's the important bit really, making sure the polish has broken down properly.
If i didn't see much difference with this i'd either keep the same polish but with a cutting pad or go for the more abrasive polish on a softer pad. Again if this doesn't remove the swirls go for the most abrasive polish on the cutting/harshest pad.
if you go for the most abrasive combo you should then go over the paintwork again with a polishing/finishing pad with a lighter polish - this should get rid of the final marks on the paint + anything the stronger polish may have left.
if you let me know what polisher/pads etc you have i should be able to give more advice!
I've got a megs g220 orbital polisher and use meguiars #80 and 83 polishes with a combination of pads depending on the car. One is more abrasive than the other so if the paintwork was quite hard and the least abbrasive didnt make much difference i'd go over the car with the stronger one, and then again with the less abbrasive one.
What polisher do you use, and do you have different pads for it?
srp with a polishing pad should make a bit of difference but if you were to get either megs 80+83 or some merzenza polish you should get that paint looking brand new again!
if you go on http://www.polishedbliss.com/ ( not sure if im allowed to put the link! ) they sell stuff there i think, and also have some guides/info
otherwise take a look on detailingworld.com - a lot of knowledge on there!
ETA: read the question again! so will add this lol
basically i'd start with the least abbrasive polish/cutting compound with the polisher on a finishing pad preferably ( softest one )on a low speed to spread the polish around the panel ( smaller areas are better ) then make a few passes up and down the panel working the polish in, most polishes should start turning clear or the residue will at least start disspearing. That's the important bit really, making sure the polish has broken down properly.
If i didn't see much difference with this i'd either keep the same polish but with a cutting pad or go for the more abrasive polish on a softer pad. Again if this doesn't remove the swirls go for the most abrasive polish on the cutting/harshest pad.
if you go for the most abrasive combo you should then go over the paintwork again with a polishing/finishing pad with a lighter polish - this should get rid of the final marks on the paint + anything the stronger polish may have left.
if you let me know what polisher/pads etc you have i should be able to give more advice!
Edited by owain on Monday 29th September 16:46
KingRichard said:
I've got a cheapy orbital polisher from halfords. I've no idea if it's fast enough... I bought it to put polish on with on the Beemer because I was too lazy to do it by hand
Just the standard wool mops on that really
ah right ok, thought you meant a proper rotary polisher thing!Just the standard wool mops on that really
I think the general opinion on those is its ok to use, but wont really give you much advantage over doing it by hand. SRP should work at masking some of the swirls and generally improving the paintwork.
A layer of SRP by hand/polisher then buff it off followed by AG Extra gloss protection will work well ( can get it from halfords)
Unless you use a different polisher its going to be hard to remove much of the swirls to be honest, but SRP and then a couple of thin layers of EGP should get it looking good again ( EGP 24 hours apart works a treat ) should keep the car sealed for a few months too, will just need washing to keep it looking good.
You can use the megs polishers i mentioned earlier by hand, and there are a couple of swirl removing one's you can use by hand (will kill your arms though!) can't remember off hand which one's are the best but can find out if you want?
make sure you get some pics up when you pick it up too!
alternatively if you wanted to get a different polisher a megs g220 polisher seems to be the best beginners choice - probably be able to get one for around £150 with pads then get a couple of bottles of polish and you'd be away! Definately have the shiniest cars around
Take a look on Detailingworld if you want any more info, or drop me a mail
owain said:
KingRichard said:
I've got a cheapy orbital polisher from halfords. I've no idea if it's fast enough... I bought it to put polish on with on the Beemer because I was too lazy to do it by hand
Just the standard wool mops on that really
ah right ok, thought you meant a proper rotary polisher thing!Just the standard wool mops on that really
I think the general opinion on those is its ok to use, but wont really give you much advantage over doing it by hand. SRP should work at masking some of the swirls and generally improving the paintwork.
A layer of SRP by hand/polisher then buff it off followed by AG Extra gloss protection will work well ( can get it from halfords)
Unless you use a different polisher its going to be hard to remove much of the swirls to be honest, but SRP and then a couple of thin layers of EGP should get it looking good again ( EGP 24 hours apart works a treat ) should keep the car sealed for a few months too, will just need washing to keep it looking good.
You can use the megs polishers i mentioned earlier by hand, and there are a couple of swirl removing one's you can use by hand (will kill your arms though!) can't remember off hand which one's are the best but can find out if you want?
make sure you get some pics up when you pick it up too!
alternatively if you wanted to get a different polisher a megs g220 polisher seems to be the best beginners choice - probably be able to get one for around £150 with pads then get a couple of bottles of polish and you'd be away! Definately have the shiniest cars around
Take a look on Detailingworld if you want any more info, or drop me a mail
not really to be honest, you can get cheaper rotary polishers but as they only spin one way they are harder to use, and although they are better at removing scrathches etc its pretty easy to burn through the paint with them!
rotary polishers on the other hand, like the one i mentioned above oscilate? aswell so dont heat up the paint and its pretty hard to do much damage with them
here's a pretty good guide on them http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?... depends how much time you have to read, lol - you wouldn't have to worry about the transformer/adapter like the one in that thread. The g220 polisher is a uk machine with uk plugs, whereas the one in the pic is a us machine
quite a lot of guides around, but if you posted up on DW there'd be plenty of people offering advice and even more specific stuff like what polish would be best for you'r taxi's + the jag
the main thing is to take your time breaking down the posish, it can be a bit time consuming but the reults are great. Take a look at a few of the threads on DW and see some of the transformations - pretty amazing!
rotary polishers on the other hand, like the one i mentioned above oscilate? aswell so dont heat up the paint and its pretty hard to do much damage with them
here's a pretty good guide on them http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?... depends how much time you have to read, lol - you wouldn't have to worry about the transformer/adapter like the one in that thread. The g220 polisher is a uk machine with uk plugs, whereas the one in the pic is a us machine
quite a lot of guides around, but if you posted up on DW there'd be plenty of people offering advice and even more specific stuff like what polish would be best for you'r taxi's + the jag
the main thing is to take your time breaking down the posish, it can be a bit time consuming but the reults are great. Take a look at a few of the threads on DW and see some of the transformations - pretty amazing!
owain said:
not really to be honest, you can get cheaper rotary polishers but as they only spin one way they are harder to use, and although they are better at removing scrathches etc its pretty easy to burn through the paint with them!
rotary polishers on the other hand, like the one i mentioned above oscilate? aswell so dont heat up the paint and its pretty hard to do much damage with them
here's a pretty good guide on them http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?... depends how much time you have to read, lol - you wouldn't have to worry about the transformer/adapter like the one in that thread. The g220 polisher is a uk machine with uk plugs, whereas the one in the pic is a us machine
quite a lot of guides around, but if you posted up on DW there'd be plenty of people offering advice and even more specific stuff like what polish would be best for you'r taxi's + the jag
the main thing is to take your time breaking down the posish, it can be a bit time consuming but the reults are great. Take a look at a few of the threads on DW and see some of the transformations - pretty amazing!
Cheers man, will do rotary polishers on the other hand, like the one i mentioned above oscilate? aswell so dont heat up the paint and its pretty hard to do much damage with them
here's a pretty good guide on them http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?... depends how much time you have to read, lol - you wouldn't have to worry about the transformer/adapter like the one in that thread. The g220 polisher is a uk machine with uk plugs, whereas the one in the pic is a us machine
quite a lot of guides around, but if you posted up on DW there'd be plenty of people offering advice and even more specific stuff like what polish would be best for you'r taxi's + the jag
the main thing is to take your time breaking down the posish, it can be a bit time consuming but the reults are great. Take a look at a few of the threads on DW and see some of the transformations - pretty amazing!
Ok...
Today I went and bought:
AG Interior Shampoo
AG Autofresh
AG Leather Cleaner
AG Leather Care cream
Meguiar's Interior Brush
Meguiar's Clay
Meguiar's Quick Detailer
Brand new AG Super Resin Polish
Brand New AG EGP
Sample of Megs 'cleaner wax'
Some microfibre towels
Collinite Carnuba wax
Enough to be getting on with I reckon
Today I went and bought:
AG Interior Shampoo
AG Autofresh
AG Leather Cleaner
AG Leather Care cream
Meguiar's Interior Brush
Meguiar's Clay
Meguiar's Quick Detailer
Brand new AG Super Resin Polish
Brand New AG EGP
Sample of Megs 'cleaner wax'
Some microfibre towels
Collinite Carnuba wax
Enough to be getting on with I reckon
KingRichard said:
Ok...
Today I went and bought:
AG Interior Shampoo
AG Autofresh
AG Leather Cleaner
AG Leather Care cream
Meguiar's Interior Brush
Meguiar's Clay
Meguiar's Quick Detailer
Brand new AG Super Resin Polish
Brand New AG EGP
Sample of Megs 'cleaner wax'
Some microfibre towels
Collinite Carnuba wax
Enough to be getting on with I reckon
sounds good! should be enough to keep you busyToday I went and bought:
AG Interior Shampoo
AG Autofresh
AG Leather Cleaner
AG Leather Care cream
Meguiar's Interior Brush
Meguiar's Clay
Meguiar's Quick Detailer
Brand new AG Super Resin Polish
Brand New AG EGP
Sample of Megs 'cleaner wax'
Some microfibre towels
Collinite Carnuba wax
Enough to be getting on with I reckon
you'll be amazed at what the clay gets off the car even after washing it too!
The AG Leather stuff seems pretty good too, used it on my dads beemer in the past where it was cracked/damaged on the sided of the seat - came out really well.
Make sure you get some before and after pics too
Washed, clayed, polished, EGP'd, Carpets Shampoo'd and 'striped' (looks awesome), leather cleaned but not looking all that great. Used the AG stuff and it hasn't really removed any dirt at all. Bit disappointed 
Anyway... She's looking hot, just got to get a coat of Collinite on her and I'll be getting some pictures up
PS: I'm loving the quick detailer stuff and those microfibre towels are brilliant
And clay is amazing stuff - it's cleaned all the old polish out of shuts and panel gaps, cleaned the rubbers, removed overspray from some chrome... I've got a new best friend
Was gonna leave the EGP on overnight but it was getting cold and I thought it might look funny if the car gets wet with condensation tonight.
Cheers for all the help chaps
Anyway... She's looking hot, just got to get a coat of Collinite on her and I'll be getting some pictures up
PS: I'm loving the quick detailer stuff and those microfibre towels are brilliant
And clay is amazing stuff - it's cleaned all the old polish out of shuts and panel gaps, cleaned the rubbers, removed overspray from some chrome... I've got a new best friend
Was gonna leave the EGP on overnight but it was getting cold and I thought it might look funny if the car gets wet with condensation tonight.
Cheers for all the help chaps
owain said:
with regards to egp, what i meant was put some on, then buff it off and then put another layer on + buff that off the next day.
It's a b
h to buff off if you leave it on too long, lol!
have you got any pics at all so far?
Every time I've finished polishing it's been dark It's a b
h to buff off if you leave it on too long, lol!have you got any pics at all so far?
My neighbours think I've gone mad... I was out there at 9pm in the pitch black the other night putting on another coat of EGP
I've done a coat of collinite now which didn't do as much as I expected but it kind of looks 'deeper'... I drove it down past the cathedral in canterbury yesterday to an appointment and everyones neck was cranking right round!
I've found a leather specialist who is an old friend of my Grandads. He's going to teach me how to re-connolise the leather for free - I've just got to pay for the materials.
I like this old Jag so much I'm thinking about upping the game and looking for Bentley Turbo R to keep her company
All sounds promising so far your majesty!
Persoanlly I've never got on with AG leather products. I use Swissvax or Zaino leather products generally. I have tried the gear suggested by PJS from the Furniture clinic, and whilst I found I liked the conditioner I was left unimpressed with the cleaner fluid.
Post up some pics of your work so far...
Persoanlly I've never got on with AG leather products. I use Swissvax or Zaino leather products generally. I have tried the gear suggested by PJS from the Furniture clinic, and whilst I found I liked the conditioner I was left unimpressed with the cleaner fluid.
Post up some pics of your work so far...
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