Championship Round Points

[confused66]

I'm confused. Can anyone help? If a car qualifies for eliminations, do they still have to 'stage' the car to collect championship points?

[Eurodragster.com]

confused66 said:

I'm confused. Can anyone help? If a car qualifies for eliminations, do they still have to 'stage' the car to collect championship points?

Yes, to win a round formally and get the points you have to stage under your own power and take the start signal.

In the FIA Championships you can get loser points if you do not turn up for the race, but IIRC it's only half the amount you would get for losing in a race proper.

[confused66]

Thanks for that. I still don't really understand how all 5 pro mod cars got first round points?

[Eurodragster.com]

confused66 said:

Thanks for that. I still don't really understand how all 5 pro mod cars got first round points?

You get points for getting through scrutineering, and for qualifying, and maybe the FIA non-appearance rule applies to MSA Pro Mod too. Oh and IIRC if an alternate races for you then you get their points.

Edited by Eurodragster.com on Monday 29th September 14:34

[confused66]

IIRC?
So an alternate could win a meeting and collect points in each round for a racer who couldn't stage for the first round because of breakage?? That's amazing!!!

[mrdark]

confused66 said:

I'm confused. Can anyone help? If a car qualifies for eliminations, do they still have to 'stage' the car to collect championship points?

rules section 8.3 of the fia rule book

8.3 Alternates
Once qualifying has been concluded and a ladder has been established, pairings will not be changed. However, should a qualified car and driver be unable to make the first round of elimination’s (not reach the bleach box), an alternate will be inserted in their place. The quickest non-qualifier will take the first available space, the second quickest non-qualifier the next available space and so on. When and if this happens is at the sole discretion of the Clerk of the Course. First round points and cash awards will be kept by the qualified driver. His car must be on the race track premises at the time the first round commences.
The awards paid to the original qualifier will be deducted from the cash awards paid to the alternates. If an alternate driver is inserted into a rescheduled event for a non-returning qualifier, the alternate will receive full round points and cash awards.

http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/9E4241A6A...

[Eurodragster.com]

confused66 said:

IIRC?
So an alternate could win a meeting and collect points in each round for a racer who couldn't stage for the first round because of breakage?? That's amazing!!!

No, the original only gets the points in round one.

[badbird]

Eurodragster.com said:

confused66 said:

I'm confused. Can anyone help? If a car qualifies for eliminations, do they still have to 'stage' the car to collect championship points?

Yes, to win a round formally and get the points you have to stage under your own power and take the start signal.

In the FIA Championships you can get loser points if you do not turn up for the race, but IIRC it's only half the amount you would get for losing in a race proper.

I am confused also, At the summernats pro mod that broke in qualifying was told by the race director that he must show up on the start line and take a green light under engine power (not starter motor) so he cobbled his motor together just so it would run for 30 secs causing more damage,

at the nat finals this dosnt seem to be the case...
these were both non FIA rounds,
in my oppinion if this is an unclear rule (as FIA rules are not the usual domestic rules) then Having set a presedent at a previous meeting then that should be the benchmark for all further domestic rounds untill this is resolved by a rule change or rule clarification for next year,

This has altred a championship outcome

Edited by badbird on Monday 29th September 21:01

Edited by badbird on Monday 29th September 21:02

Edited by badbird on Monday 29th September 21:02

[Eurodragster.com]

badbird said:

in my oppinion if this is an unclear rule (as FIA rules are not the usual domestic rules) then Having set a presedent at a previous meeting then that should be the benchmark for all further domestic rounds untill this is resolved by a rule change or rule clarification for next year,

Well, last week the Tech Committee were asking for suggestions for rule book changes, and I am sure they'd take procedural as well as technical suggestions...in you go Graham

[badbird]

Eurodragster.com said:

badbird said:

in my oppinion if this is an unclear rule (as FIA rules are not the usual domestic rules) then Having set a presedent at a previous meeting then that should be the benchmark for all further domestic rounds untill this is resolved by a rule change or rule clarification for next year,

Well, last week the Tech Committee were asking for suggestions for rule book changes, and I am sure they'd take procedural as well as technical suggestions...in you go Graham

Thats ok for next year
but i have a whole winter to be bitter and twisted
and beleive me i am,
28 f***ing points

Edited by badbird on Monday 29th September 21:24

[anonymous-user]

The rules do seem to be very arse-about-face at times, there really shouldn't be such inconcistency at this level of commitment and investment.

[badbird]

Rat_Fink_67 said:

The rules do seem to be very arse-about-face at times, there really shouldn't be such inconcistency at this level of commitment and investment.

If Ian Bishop was forced to further damage his motor for the points, It makes a mockery of the system that another racer gets given those points for a no show.

Edited by badbird on Monday 29th September 21:28

[anonymous-user]

I may be me coming over a bit "Magoo" but is it written anywhere that the MSA championship adheres to the FIA regulations? I can't see it on the MSA championship site?

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 29th September 21:41

[badbird]

Rat_Fink_67 said:

It may be me coming over a bit "Magoo" but is it written anywhere that the MSA championship adheres to the FIA regulations? I can't see it on the MSA championship site?

Acording to a SPRC official they do not use Fia rules nor do they have to, the points system is different MSA have no bonus for low ET of the meeting for example, FIA give no points to non qualifiers SPRC/MSA give points for a qualifying attempt Neither is it written what constitutes an Attempt differences of oppinion range from starting your engine to making a full lap,
this is fked up and right now im getting cranky about it
LOL @ your blindness

Edited by badbird on Monday 29th September 21:48

[Eurodragster.com]

Rat_Fink_67 said:

I may be me coming over a bit "Magoo" but is it written anywhere that the MSA championship adheres to the FIA regulations? I can't see it on the MSA championship site?

Nope. One mentioned the FIA for the purposes of comparison some postings ago, if others chose to pick it up and run with it...

[anonymous-user]

It seems there's a need for some serious clarification to be done I reckon.

[badbird]

Rat_Fink_67 said:

It seems there's a need for some serious clarification to be done I reckon.

yup

Edited by badbird on Monday 29th September 23:13

[badbird]

badbird said:

Rat_Fink_67 said:

It seems there's a need for some serious clarification to be done I reckon.

serious as in rectify the mistake,

Edited by badbird on Monday 29th September 21:59

Edited by badbird on Monday 29th September 23:12

[confused66]

I'm confused about something else. Why, in the past, when there have been 5 and 6 car fields in National championships, have we had 'all-run' fields and this time it was a 4-car field? Surely this affected Bigbird's points too?

[badbird]

confused66 said:

I'm confused about something else. Why, in the past, when there have been 5 and 6 car fields in National championships, have we had 'all-run' fields and this time it was a 4-car field? Surely this affected Bigbird's points too?

yes and the fact that at the PM meeting at santa pod it was agreed that domestic rounds would be "all run" at the easter meet 2007 5 cars 8 car field.... summer nats 6 qualified cars....8 car field,
The double points for this meeting was so people would have a chance to make up for a bad year and give some incentive for teams to appear as it was a low turn out last year.....wheres the incentive in bringing a hundred thousand pound car to the track to be told someone goes home without money or points.......This is wrong... this meeting seems to have been run under rules that have not applied at any other meeting all year......it was all wrong!!!

Edited by badbird on Tuesday 30th September 15:39