Help Front Brake Squeal
Help Front Brake Squeal
Author
Discussion

SimonKD

Original Poster:

1,387 posts

261 months

Monday 29th September 2008
quotequote all
Hi All

Decided to try and sort out the dreaded front brake squeal today. I did the following:

1. Applied silicone sealant to the back of the pads about 1mm thick (let cure for 1hr before reassembly)
2. Applied copperslip to the 2 pins that hold the pads in, the parts of the calliper that are in contact with the pad edges and the spring device that presses on the top of the pads. I even put a light coating on the surface of the silicon sealant.

A couple of miles down the road the squealing appeared as loud as ever. For some reason my pads are silent for the first 2 miles.

What have I missed, if anything or am I to be cursed with this forever. It only started when I had new pads fitted at the last service, they are AP ones.

Any suggestions welcome

Kind Regards
Simon.

jammy_basturd

29,778 posts

242 months

Monday 29th September 2008
quotequote all
Chamfer the edges of the pad (the actual friction material), and personally I prefer copper slip on the backs on the pads.

SimonKD

Original Poster:

1,387 posts

261 months

Tuesday 30th September 2008
quotequote all
Hi Jammy

How much of a chamfer do the pads need in order for this remedy to work?

Kind Regards
Simon

SimonKD

Original Poster:

1,387 posts

261 months

Tuesday 30th September 2008
quotequote all
Anyone?

FUBAR

17,065 posts

268 months

Tuesday 30th September 2008
quotequote all
They cant hear you with all that brake squeal hehe

SimonKD

Original Poster:

1,387 posts

261 months

Tuesday 30th September 2008
quotequote all
smile Come on people I want to sort them out once and for all tomorrow. Should they be chamfered all the way round or just the leading edges and by how much?

Kind Regards
Simon

jammy_basturd

29,778 posts

242 months

Wednesday 1st October 2008
quotequote all
Doesn't need to be much, literally just a mm or two. I've read/heard that if the pad is sitting completely flat to the disc, this is what can cause the vibration, so the chamber just helps stop that. Or something along those lines. I've heard other reasons, but its worth a shot, and has worked for other people.

Buffoon

881 posts

234 months

Wednesday 1st October 2008
quotequote all
Silicon for rattling pads, and coppaslip for everything else. Not sure what you did there with yours, as it sounds like you let it cure then fitted pads? Need to silicon onto the pistons. If you did silicon, let cure, then fit, you'll have to start again.

Squeal is associated with pad compound. More pronouced on some makes than others. Worth cleaning the cross-drilled holes out with a battery drill, as the holes will help clean some of the resin away when it surfaces.

SimonKD

Original Poster:

1,387 posts

261 months

Wednesday 1st October 2008
quotequote all
Hi All

Thanks for the replies, finally sorted out today.

Removed front pads and chamfered all the way round the pad material about 1mm. Removed all silicon sealant from pads and Coppaslipped them along with slideways in the callipers, all pad pins, areas of spring clip that comes into contact with pads and spring pins and down front and back edges of the metal part of the pads.

They seem to be cured, how long for who knows but it's only about an hour to do both sides and an ideal opportunity to clean front wheels properly.

Happy for now
Simon smile

WorAl

10,877 posts

218 months

Wednesday 1st October 2008
quotequote all
my brakes start to squeel usually just as i get back home after a good hoon around the countryside when they are red hot. not too bad but may try the chamfer on the edges to see if it cures anything.

jammy_basturd

29,778 posts

242 months

Thursday 2nd October 2008
quotequote all
Glad to hear the problem has been solved (if only perhaps temporarily). Obviously will generally driving the brake pad will wear and the chamfer will be removed, so it will have to be redone in X amount of miles, but at least that keeps your brakes tiptop and stops brake caliper bolts from seizing, etc! smile

johnbear

1,568 posts

265 months

Thursday 2nd October 2008
quotequote all
The squeal on my Cerb's front brakes as caused by the pistons beginning to sieze.

Had to change the calipers in the end.

SimonKD

Original Poster:

1,387 posts

261 months

Friday 3rd October 2008
quotequote all
Hi Again

My pads are AP ones fitted to the standard later type AP calipers. Has anyone had any experience of any other brand of pad which they have fitted and NEVER had any squeal problems with. Just that I may consider changing them if I get fed up with re-chamferring them every x amount of miles.

Regards
Simon

jesfirth

1,743 posts

272 months

Friday 3rd October 2008
quotequote all
I have tried red stuff, green stuff, paget, ferrodo 2500 and ferrodo 3000 and they all bloody squeal

Buffoon

881 posts

234 months

Saturday 4th October 2008
quotequote all
My old pads never squealed, think ferodo, and current yellow stuffs also fine. Maybe I just drive like a pussy

Jasper Gilder

2,166 posts

303 months

Sunday 5th October 2008
quotequote all
Had this on both my Cerbs - changing to Tuscan S drilled discs stopped it, improved the braking and they're about half the price of solid cerb discs

Buffoon

881 posts

234 months

Monday 6th October 2008
quotequote all
yes Front and rear are drilled