Singapore event a success ?
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The people inside F1 all seem to be applauding the Singapore night race as a fantastic success.
Granted the cars looked spectacular at night, and the race happened to turn out to be a highly eventful and enjoyable race to watch.
But...if Piquet hadn't tripped over himself and bought the safety car out at a crucial time, it could easily have been a beginning to end procession. Would we all be saying what a fantastic event it was, or bemoaning the processional race ?
Edited to remove bits of random English.
Granted the cars looked spectacular at night, and the race happened to turn out to be a highly eventful and enjoyable race to watch.
But...if Piquet hadn't tripped over himself and bought the safety car out at a crucial time, it could easily have been a beginning to end procession. Would we all be saying what a fantastic event it was, or bemoaning the processional race ?
Edited to remove bits of random English.
Edited by DeadMeat_UK on Tuesday 30th September 14:26
Hmmm remarkably Luca di Montezemelo didn't think much of it
http://www.crash.net/motorsport/f1/news/169735-0/m...
I wonder if his opinion would have been any different had the safety car not been used, Massa had won and Raikkonen come in 2nd or 3rd?
<cough> sour grapes </cough>
http://www.crash.net/motorsport/f1/news/169735-0/m...
I wonder if his opinion would have been any different had the safety car not been used, Massa had won and Raikkonen come in 2nd or 3rd?
<cough> sour grapes </cough>
I think it was a success.
It's a street track and there will almost always be at least one safety car on a track like this where in a lot of cases a strandid car will require a SC to remove it.
There is also far more scope for one of the (in)famous not really needed but hell there is a bit of a crisp packet on turn 4 and the leader is 30 seconds up the road so we need a SC to clear the track of debris.
It's a street track and there will almost always be at least one safety car on a track like this where in a lot of cases a strandid car will require a SC to remove it.
There is also far more scope for one of the (in)famous not really needed but hell there is a bit of a crisp packet on turn 4 and the leader is 30 seconds up the road so we need a SC to clear the track of debris.
FNG said:
Hmmm remarkably Luca di Montezemelo didn't think much of it
http://www.crash.net/motorsport/f1/news/169735-0/m...
I wonder if his opinion would have been any different had the safety car not been used, Massa had won and Raikkonen come in 2nd or 3rd?
<cough> sour grapes </cough>
Humiliating for f1 says montezmolo,er no humiliating for fezza more like http://www.crash.net/motorsport/f1/news/169735-0/m...
I wonder if his opinion would have been any different had the safety car not been used, Massa had won and Raikkonen come in 2nd or 3rd?
<cough> sour grapes </cough>
I think it was a dismal failure.
The circuit looked terrible with all of the concrete walls and the overtaking opportunities were virtually nil. We shouldn't be relying on safety cars and pit lane disasters to produce the entertainment.
I don't think the dark did the race any favours either. I though the cars looked worse, rather than better, under the floodlights.
I'd be quite happy if the race was dropped, but as has been said, its more about Bernie's wallet than it is about entertainment.
The circuit looked terrible with all of the concrete walls and the overtaking opportunities were virtually nil. We shouldn't be relying on safety cars and pit lane disasters to produce the entertainment.
I don't think the dark did the race any favours either. I though the cars looked worse, rather than better, under the floodlights.
I'd be quite happy if the race was dropped, but as has been said, its more about Bernie's wallet than it is about entertainment.
Would have been far better with more than one overtaking place, which might have been possible had the place not been littered with nadgery chicanes.
And if they'd managed to lay a decent bit of tarmac on the inside of the entry to Turn 7 perhaps we'd have seen a slightly different race.
Time and again we see new tracks rippling up and becoming barely driveable in places bcause F1 cars impose such extreme forces on the tarmac, and time and again the problem repeats itself. Don't they learn?
The fact that cars 4s slower than the ones they were following could not pass can be laid directly at the feet of the people who laid the tarmac at Turn 7. Had that piece of track remained in good condition throughout the race weekend 'for sure' we'd have seen a different order at the finish.
And if they'd managed to lay a decent bit of tarmac on the inside of the entry to Turn 7 perhaps we'd have seen a slightly different race.
Time and again we see new tracks rippling up and becoming barely driveable in places bcause F1 cars impose such extreme forces on the tarmac, and time and again the problem repeats itself. Don't they learn?
The fact that cars 4s slower than the ones they were following could not pass can be laid directly at the feet of the people who laid the tarmac at Turn 7. Had that piece of track remained in good condition throughout the race weekend 'for sure' we'd have seen a different order at the finish.
FNG said:
Would have been far better with more than one overtaking place, which might have been possible had the place not been littered with nadgery chicanes.
And if they'd managed to lay a decent bit of tarmac on the inside of the entry to Turn 7 perhaps we'd have seen a slightly different race.
Time and again we see new tracks rippling up and becoming barely driveable in places bcause F1 cars impose such extreme forces on the tarmac, and time and again the problem repeats itself. Don't they learn?
The fact that cars 4s slower than the ones they were following could not pass can be laid directly at the feet of the people who laid the tarmac at Turn 7. Had that piece of track remained in good condition throughout the race weekend 'for sure' we'd have seen a different order at the finish.
Race tracks coming apart - that seems to happen only in Canada because of the harsh winters and warm summers.And if they'd managed to lay a decent bit of tarmac on the inside of the entry to Turn 7 perhaps we'd have seen a slightly different race.
Time and again we see new tracks rippling up and becoming barely driveable in places bcause F1 cars impose such extreme forces on the tarmac, and time and again the problem repeats itself. Don't they learn?
The fact that cars 4s slower than the ones they were following could not pass can be laid directly at the feet of the people who laid the tarmac at Turn 7. Had that piece of track remained in good condition throughout the race weekend 'for sure' we'd have seen a different order at the finish.
They should leave turn 7 as it is. Bumps and high kerbs should provide a challenge. Sadly racing drivers today have it all too easy.
skinny said:
VIPs probably enjoyed it, therefore bernie will consider the race a big sucess.
i thought it was so-so, not the worst race this year but definitely not the best.
What was the best in your opinion then? and would it be based on driver win or location?i thought it was so-so, not the worst race this year but definitely not the best.
Edited by skinny on Tuesday 30th September 16:04
based on the track and the racing, the drivers actually enjoying the track, and the support fans who turn up. of all the races i've been to, the best has been suzuka, then spa silverstone and nurburgring joint second.
the worst have been bahrain, turkey (despite 1 good corner), barcelona. i've never been to the hungaroring but it looks pretty rubbish too.
the worst have been bahrain, turkey (despite 1 good corner), barcelona. i've never been to the hungaroring but it looks pretty rubbish too.
Montezemolo said:
"When you race on a track that would work better as a circus ring or something along those lines, anything can happen, because the real show was put on yesterday by the safety car," he fumed in an interview with Italy's Gazzetta dello Sport, "This is humiliating for the F1 world and, during the next few weeks, I would like discuss this with all the other teams."
I thought it was a ok race, enhanced by the inclusion of the clown car with 20 feet of fuel hose attached to it, and the other clowns chasing it with buckets of water - brilliant fun, you couldn't write it. Everyone not wearing red suits in the pitlane was in hysterics, cheering on the chasing clowns. Shame that they had all that headgear on as you couldn't see the circus make-up. I wonder by Monty didn't find it funny, perhaps he had gone for a wee at that point.Then later, both clown cars separately went straight into the wall, one of them causing an Indian serious ringmaster or something to have an accident avoiding him as he carelessly rejoined, ruining his race too. I love that type of slapstick humour, it's just a shame that none of the other teams entered into the circus spirit on the day.
Well done Ferrari - great entertainment. Keep it up Monty.
Success.
I think the circuit is great and a proper old-school street circuit. Bumpy, dodgey curbs, tight sections and generally parts that a modern F1 car isn't so designed to cope with any more. It should separate the men from the boys every year in terms of 'racing' ability (consistency and bruising it up without major f
kup) . e.g. KR, FA, NP, GF, SB had a crap races. LH, DC, FA, NR, SV proved they have balls.
Overtaking on it won't be so much of an issue next year, hopefully!
I think the circuit is great and a proper old-school street circuit. Bumpy, dodgey curbs, tight sections and generally parts that a modern F1 car isn't so designed to cope with any more. It should separate the men from the boys every year in terms of 'racing' ability (consistency and bruising it up without major f
kup) . e.g. KR, FA, NP, GF, SB had a crap races. LH, DC, FA, NR, SV proved they have balls.Overtaking on it won't be so much of an issue next year, hopefully!
entropy said:
FNG said:
Would have been far better with more than one overtaking place, which might have been possible had the place not been littered with nadgery chicanes.
And if they'd managed to lay a decent bit of tarmac on the inside of the entry to Turn 7 perhaps we'd have seen a slightly different race.
Time and again we see new tracks rippling up and becoming barely driveable in places bcause F1 cars impose such extreme forces on the tarmac, and time and again the problem repeats itself. Don't they learn?
The fact that cars 4s slower than the ones they were following could not pass can be laid directly at the feet of the people who laid the tarmac at Turn 7. Had that piece of track remained in good condition throughout the race weekend 'for sure' we'd have seen a different order at the finish.
Race tracks coming apart - that seems to happen only in Canada because of the harsh winters and warm summers.And if they'd managed to lay a decent bit of tarmac on the inside of the entry to Turn 7 perhaps we'd have seen a slightly different race.
Time and again we see new tracks rippling up and becoming barely driveable in places bcause F1 cars impose such extreme forces on the tarmac, and time and again the problem repeats itself. Don't they learn?
The fact that cars 4s slower than the ones they were following could not pass can be laid directly at the feet of the people who laid the tarmac at Turn 7. Had that piece of track remained in good condition throughout the race weekend 'for sure' we'd have seen a different order at the finish.
They should leave turn 7 as it is. Bumps and high kerbs should provide a challenge. Sadly racing drivers today have it all too easy.
There were only two or three overtakes in the race, and they were mainly against cars that were massively heavy or massively slow.
In the interests of the show by all means leave bumps and undulations in, but rippled tarmac like that is inexcusable and unavoidable, and prevented a better race from happening.
Incidentally Canada hairpin was the track surface breaking up, the rippling is not just the surface deteriorating but the tyres destroying the whole substrate too.
FNG said:
entropy said:
FNG said:
Would have been far better with more than one overtaking place, which might have been possible had the place not been littered with nadgery chicanes.
And if they'd managed to lay a decent bit of tarmac on the inside of the entry to Turn 7 perhaps we'd have seen a slightly different race.
Time and again we see new tracks rippling up and becoming barely driveable in places bcause F1 cars impose such extreme forces on the tarmac, and time and again the problem repeats itself. Don't they learn?
The fact that cars 4s slower than the ones they were following could not pass can be laid directly at the feet of the people who laid the tarmac at Turn 7. Had that piece of track remained in good condition throughout the race weekend 'for sure' we'd have seen a different order at the finish.
Race tracks coming apart - that seems to happen only in Canada because of the harsh winters and warm summers.And if they'd managed to lay a decent bit of tarmac on the inside of the entry to Turn 7 perhaps we'd have seen a slightly different race.
Time and again we see new tracks rippling up and becoming barely driveable in places bcause F1 cars impose such extreme forces on the tarmac, and time and again the problem repeats itself. Don't they learn?
The fact that cars 4s slower than the ones they were following could not pass can be laid directly at the feet of the people who laid the tarmac at Turn 7. Had that piece of track remained in good condition throughout the race weekend 'for sure' we'd have seen a different order at the finish.
They should leave turn 7 as it is. Bumps and high kerbs should provide a challenge. Sadly racing drivers today have it all too easy.
There were only two or three overtakes in the race, and they were mainly against cars that were massively heavy or massively slow.
In the interests of the show by all means leave bumps and undulations in, but rippled tarmac like that is inexcusable and unavoidable, and prevented a better race from happening.
Incidentally Canada hairpin was the track surface breaking up, the rippling is not just the surface deteriorating but the tyres destroying the whole substrate too.
mattikake said:
Success.
I think the circuit is great and a proper old-school street circuit. Bumpy, dodgey curbs, tight sections and generally parts that a modern F1 car isn't so designed to cope with any more. It should separate the men from the boys every year in terms of 'racing' ability (consistency and bruising it up without major fkup) . e.g. KR, FA, NP, GF, SB had a crap races. LH, DC, FA, NR, SV proved they have balls.
Overtaking on it won't be so much of an issue next year, hopefully!
I for one am fed up of tracks designed around the cars. "OOO look at those nasty high kerbs" well guess what? They are not part of the track so keep off the bloody things. If you get it wrong you are going to have a bump that will end your day, not one that will likely cause you even a little bruising from the belts so Boohoo.I think the circuit is great and a proper old-school street circuit. Bumpy, dodgey curbs, tight sections and generally parts that a modern F1 car isn't so designed to cope with any more. It should separate the men from the boys every year in terms of 'racing' ability (consistency and bruising it up without major f
kup) . e.g. KR, FA, NP, GF, SB had a crap races. LH, DC, FA, NR, SV proved they have balls.Overtaking on it won't be so much of an issue next year, hopefully!
Fair enough there needs to be sensible safety in place, but there is a difference between safety and massive run off to keep people who take the piss a little too much in the race.
Edited by rude-boy on Tuesday 30th September 16:55
mattikake said:
Success.
I think the circuit is great and a proper old-school street circuit. Bumpy, dodgey curbs, tight sections and generally parts that a modern F1 car isn't so designed to cope with any more. It should separate the men from the boys every year in terms of 'racing' ability (consistency and bruising it up without major fkup) . e.g. KR, FM , NP, GF, SB had a crap races. LH, DC, FA, NR, SV proved they have balls.
Overtaking on it won't be so much of an issue next year, hopefully!
Ooops, listed the wrong losers in this race!I think the circuit is great and a proper old-school street circuit. Bumpy, dodgey curbs, tight sections and generally parts that a modern F1 car isn't so designed to cope with any more. It should separate the men from the boys every year in terms of 'racing' ability (consistency and bruising it up without major f
kup) . e.g. KR, FM , NP, GF, SB had a crap races. LH, DC, FA, NR, SV proved they have balls.Overtaking on it won't be so much of an issue next year, hopefully!
Steel brakes have been developed which give the same retardation rates as carbon ones, too.
Outbraking is possible at many other tracks, but this one wasn't well enough designed to provide more than one half-chance of a pass, and then the state of the tarmac there knocked that on the head as well.
Outbraking is possible at many other tracks, but this one wasn't well enough designed to provide more than one half-chance of a pass, and then the state of the tarmac there knocked that on the head as well.
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