Hitting the rev limiter
Hitting the rev limiter
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slackalice

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421 posts

254 months

Thursday 2nd October 2008
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So what does your car do when you hit the red line?

ringram

14,701 posts

271 months

Thursday 2nd October 2008
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ECU cuts fuel so it will bounce of the limiter. Kind of horrible really.
No harm should be had unless it gets lean misfire for an extended period, so dont lean on the limiter while driving the motorway in 2nd gear for example.

Some people raise the limit to 6800 or similar, though you normally want better rod bolts before doing this as they are the first things to go by all accounts.

racebreed

216 posts

211 months

Thursday 2nd October 2008
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probably cut fuel like most other cars unless you got something aftermarket fitted then could be a spark cut that means lots of bangs like the Bee R revlimiter!

BO55 VXR

4,373 posts

274 months

Thursday 2nd October 2008
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One of two things.... either the spark is cut or the fuel delivery... both of which prevent combustion and therefore reducing revs.

Feels like a mis-fire.....

racebreed

216 posts

211 months

Thursday 2nd October 2008
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ringram said:
ECU cuts fuel so it will bounce of the limiter. Kind of horrible really.
No harm should be had unless it gets lean misfire for an extended period, so dont lean on the limiter while driving the motorway in 2nd gear for example.

Some people raise the limit to 6800 or similar, though you normally want better rod bolts before doing this as they are the first things to go by all accounts.


my rev limiter is higher than that i am sure. or maybe ive only got to 6500rpm?

BO55 VXR

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274 months

Thursday 2nd October 2008
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Well, looks like the responses are like buses.... nothing for 30 mins, then 3 come along all at once

Bonnie and Clyde

11,701 posts

215 months

Thursday 2nd October 2008
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I'm guessing this is not the answer you were looking for but my first thought was, Red light flashes and it beeps like mad. Not very technical but that's what happens to mine. I did that today actually. It was the first time my mom had ever been in the Ro. The poor woman nearly sh1t herselfhehe

slackalice

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421 posts

254 months

Thursday 2nd October 2008
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BO55 VXR said:
Well, looks like the responses are like buses.... nothing for 30 mins, then 3 come along all at once
Funny you should say that Bo55, so I take it the car does not shut down and go into safe mode then!

Mmmmm looks like a have a few gremlins, hey how about this one, I put the ro to bed the other night, locked her up, did the double push on the fob to set the alarm, everything flashed as normal and left her.

In the morning the car was unlocked, the alarm light was flashing as was the brake light and the seat belt light, got into the car, switched on and yes the car fired up and all the lights went out...............spooky or what!!!!

Bonnie and Clyde

11,701 posts

215 months

Thursday 2nd October 2008
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slackalice said:
BO55 VXR said:
Well, looks like the responses are like buses.... nothing for 30 mins, then 3 come along all at once


Funny you should say that Bo55, so I take it the car does not shut down and go into safe mode then!

Mmmmm looks like a have a few gremlins, hey how about this one, I put the ro to bed the other night, locked her up, did the double push on the fob to set the alarm, everything flashed as normal and left her.

In the morning the car was unlocked, the alarm light was flashing as was the brake light and the seat belt light, got into the car, switched on and yes the car fired up and all the lights went out...............spooky or what!!!!


Dont tell me things like that. I'm in the house on my own tonight.yikes
Mel

ringram

14,701 posts

271 months

Thursday 2nd October 2008
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BO55 VXR said:
One of two things.... either the spark is cut or the fuel delivery... both of which prevent combustion and therefore reducing revs.

Feels like a mis-fire.....
Actually one of 3 things smile



Throttle cut is the cleanest

slackalice

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421 posts

254 months

Thursday 2nd October 2008
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Richard, I did not quite get the whole page dump, but what I did see was Throttle control, which is what I get, but it dosen't reset itself untill I switch the motor off and then on again.

(Note to ones self do not do this at high speed!!!!)

ringram

14,701 posts

271 months

Thursday 2nd October 2008
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Yeah you have a separate problem then... You need to scan your ECU for error codes.

Page dump is to put the settings in context otherwise it will just look like an excel table that I could have made up smile

slackalice

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421 posts

254 months

Thursday 2nd October 2008
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Thanks Richard I will scan it again in the morning, but feel I know the answer already ( no faults) wish now that I had limped it home and scaned it before switching off!

breaker morant

140 posts

222 months

Thursday 2nd October 2008
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Bonnie and Clyde said:
Red light flashes and it beeps like mad. Not very technical but that's what happens to mine.


Isn't it pathetic that they resort to putting this sort of thing on a performance car? It's distracting an' all. It's up there with that stupid seat belt bing.

Bonnie and Clyde

11,701 posts

215 months

Thursday 2nd October 2008
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breaker morant said:
Bonnie and Clyde said:
Red light flashes and it beeps like mad. Not very technical but that's what happens to mine.


Isn't it pathetic that they resort to putting this sort of thing on a performance car? It's distracting an' all. It's up there with that stupid seat belt bing.


The first time it made me jump and the seat belt thing is a pain in the arse. However i have been known not to belt up in the past. I know its pathetic but i suppose i thought i was bullet proof. I cant leave it off with the ro which can only be a great thing.

crisisjez

9,209 posts

228 months

Thursday 2nd October 2008
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Rev limiter action wont see limp home mode unless you were in a low gear and engine inertia took you way over cut speed.

Trust me I Know

jayrockwell

309 posts

217 months

Friday 3rd October 2008
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Here's a plan. Maybe you could change gears before you hit the rev limiter.
(jokes...I jokes.....)

jayrockwell

309 posts

217 months

Friday 3rd October 2008
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breaker morant said:
Bonnie and Clyde said:
Red light flashes and it beeps like mad. Not very technical but that's what happens to mine.


Isn't it pathetic that they resort to putting this sort of thing on a performance car? It's distracting an' all. It's up there with that stupid seat belt bing.


It's funny but mine (04 CV8) doesn't do either of those things. No red light. No beep. Just dies.

slackalice

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254 months

Friday 3rd October 2008
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crisisjez said:
Rev limiter action wont see limp home mode unless you were in a low gear and engine inertia took you way over cut speed.

Trust me I Know smile
Mmmmmmm now I can relate to this "engine inertia" apart from Jez have others noticed that when the engine is under load and you go to change gear, or engage the clutch the engine gains revs not drops, first off I was ready to blame the re-chip, but I guess this must be a problem due to the very heavy flywheel.

Thanks Jez, I will sleep well tonight thumbup

ads_green

838 posts

255 months

Friday 3rd October 2008
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Depends on the limiter...

Soft limiter generally reduce the injector fuel cycle to limit engine.
Modern cars with fly-by-wire throttle control can also reduce the throttle load to prevent lean conditions.

Hard limiters cut the fuel completely.

Limiters reducing the spark are generally phased out now as all road cars are fitted with catalytic converters. These systems causes a load of unburnt fuel to be expelled into the exhaust where the cat is hot enough to ignite it and this dramatically increases the temp of the cat. Good option is that it simply damages the cat reducing its lifespan... bad option is the cat causes the car to catch fire (not unheard of).

Cat ignition is why all cars are quite aggressive in defaulting to "limp home mode" if a misfire is detected.


The revs increasing after clutch disengagement is usually either
- not taking foot off the accelerator enough before pressing the clutch
- multi-mass flywheel.