Which Jap Car??
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general190

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339 posts

227 months

Thursday 2nd October 2008
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Hello fellow jap enthusiasts!

just a quick question, i currently own a Toyota Gen7 Celica VVTLi 190, im looking to change the car soon due to mileage and just fancy a change really, and i was wondering what you guys think is the best car for me to get?

It needs to be quick and reliable as im guna be doing 45k a year for at least another 8-10months. with the new tax law im not to bothered about age, just needs to start on a low mileage?

oh and im not bothered turbo or Na, idealy would be rwd and turbo.

Thanks


mr2-turbo-gar

146 posts

220 months

Friday 3rd October 2008
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budget??

Blue Meanie

73,668 posts

279 months

Friday 3rd October 2008
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MR2 Turbo
200SX
300ZX
Supra
RX7
MX5


Lots to choose from, however, budget will be your biggest deciding factor as to either quality, or ability...

markCSC

2,987 posts

239 months

Friday 3rd October 2008
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If you are doing 45k a year something fast and comfy would be good so how about a Toyota Soarer? http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/list.asp?s=415

Wadeski

8,856 posts

237 months

Friday 3rd October 2008
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45k a year is huge. I would be nervous with any jap import, especially one over 10 years old.

Its boring, but i would be looking for something with a manufacturers warranty too.

Mazda 6 MPS or Impreza WRX....

general190

Original Poster:

339 posts

227 months

Monday 6th October 2008
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Budget, im looking for say 8k tops but would rather around the 5-6k mark, would giv me change to play with etc.

im not really worried about warranties cus i can get my hands dirty. want jab because iv had very few problems with my celica so wana stay jap, but would love a bit more tuning potential than the gen7 celica ive got.

Im realy tempted by an S14 200SX, any body use one as their dd? problems?

Thanks so far guys.




Wadeski

8,856 posts

237 months

Monday 6th October 2008
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Silvia's are pretty bullet proof but that mileage is still huge, on an old car. How long do you plan to keep it for? I mean assuming a 5k jap car will have 50k on it when you buy it, then in two years you will have 140k miles...

I would be looking at something that has cheap spares, so nothing that was not officially sold here. S14 sounds like a pretty good bet, and you can get a minter for your budget.

Remember you will be buying things like new shocks (and other suspension bits) maybe a new turbo, alternator, etc etc which add up.

Steve Evil

10,801 posts

253 months

Monday 6th October 2008
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I'd also bear in mind that on stuff like Imprezas, Evos and MR2 Turbos you're looking at around 3-4k per oil/filter change, and at your mileage that's going to come round fast.

mrmr96

13,736 posts

228 months

Monday 6th October 2008
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general190 said:
I currently own a Toyota Gen7 Celica VVTLi 190
You appear to like cars with long names. Can I suggest the "Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR FQ-360" ?

In all seriousness, if you're doing 45k miles per annum I would NOT buy an Evo to do it in. They will do 18-22mpg and need a service every 4.5k miles. You'd need TEN services that year. Also, 45k miles (divided into 240 working days per year) is an average of 187miles per day. I can get 200-250 miles out of a tank, so you'll be filling up (at about £50 a pop) 2 out of every 3 days.

Can I ask what job you do which requires you to do 45k miles per year but doesn't supply a company car?

Blue Meanie

73,668 posts

279 months

Monday 6th October 2008
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If you are doing 45K, what about an older soarer? The turbo, and the V8 are both excellent engines.

general190

Original Poster:

339 posts

227 months

Monday 6th October 2008
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mrmr96 said:
general190 said:
I currently own a Toyota Gen7 Celica VVTLi 190
You appear to like cars with long names. Can I suggest the "Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR FQ-360" ?

In all seriousness, if you're doing 45k miles per annum I would NOT buy an Evo to do it in. They will do 18-22mpg and need a service every 4.5k miles. You'd need TEN services that year. Also, 45k miles (divided into 240 working days per year) is an average of 187miles per day. I can get 200-250 miles out of a tank, so you'll be filling up (at about £50 a pop) 2 out of every 3 days.

Can I ask what job you do which requires you to do 45k miles per year but doesn't supply a company car?
Im a trainee quantity surveyor, i work in oxford 70ish miles away from my house, so 140mile round trip. Fuel isnt to much op a problem as i get a fule card, but at only 21, insurance will be!

with regards to how long i was guna keep it, if S14, was thinking about a year if around 50k then drop in a fully built norris designs 400bhp SR20DET?

Anyone know of other companys who will do a similar complete build? cost?

Thanks again for all your help, looked at the supras and the insurance wasnt as bad as i thought! but i thought running costs would be way more than a S14?

ScoobieWRX

4,863 posts

250 months

Monday 6th October 2008
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You can pick up a nice low mileage 2003-2005 Impreza STi with full SSH for £7.5-£8.5K with service intervals at 10K miles. Leaves you about £1K-1.5K to do some mapping and mods (to 320/350bhp with basic physical mods), and you have a decent looking, comfortable, uber fast, cracking handling 4dr saloon with 4x4 traction for added safe driving in any weather and any road. With that sort of bhp you can easily crack the 165-175mph barrier should you find yourself on unrestricted autobahn in Germany, with 0-60 nr 4secs and still return 25mpg on a normal run.

How's that!!

Doing 45K miles a year you need something that will be reliable, practical, and take a good seeing to from time to time, and be fun to drive very quickly with very few cars on the road that will ever bother you.

Black, Blue or Black (you can tell i like black) biggrin

Edited by ScoobieWRX on Monday 6th October 15:40

general190

Original Poster:

339 posts

227 months

Monday 6th October 2008
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ScoobieWRX said:
You can pick up a nice low mileage 2003-2005 Impreza STi with full SSH for £7.5-£8.5K with service intervals at 10K miles. Leaves you about £1K-1.5K to do some mapping and mods (to 320/350bhp with basic physical mods), and you have a decent looking, comfortable, uber fast, cracking handling 4dr saloon with 4x4 traction for added safe driving in any weather and any road. With that sort of bhp you can easily crack the 165-175mph barrier should you find yourself on unrestricted autobahn in Germany, with 0-60 nr 4secs and still return 25mpg on a normal run.

How's that!!

Doing 45K miles a year you need something that will be reliable, practical, and take a good seeing to from time to time, and be fun to drive very quickly with very few cars on the road that will ever bother you.

Black, Blue or Black (you can tell i like black) biggrin

Edited by ScoobieWRX on Monday 6th October 15:40
I would love a black Scooby STi, but would be able to afford the ins! it would be crazy for me on one of those, as having a company car previously i only have 1years no claims. The supra for me was alot less than the scooby STi and even less than the WRX!

Wadeski

8,856 posts

237 months

Monday 6th October 2008
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Umm....

im going to sound really boring here, but for that kind of miles, anything thats highly tuned (400bhp norris idea) is a really scary idea!

highly modded and rock-solid reliable don't necessarily go hand in hand....and 400bhp puts a strain on clutches, driveshafts etc.

S14 or maybe an IS200 might be a good idea...lexi are pretty cheap to insure.

When i was in a similar-ish position I looked at all the jap stuff and ended up going with a turbo Saab. turbo fun, but much much comfier than all but very high end jap stuff (which tends to come with high end parts costs).

Chipped Saab with a suspension upgrade would save your sanity for 140 miles per day with the cushy seats, but still push your head into the restrain with nearly 300lb/ft of torque. And with petrol prices rising turbo petrol family cars are a BARGAIN right now.

SClarke

546 posts

215 months

Monday 6th October 2008
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I think if it was my £8000 I would buy a Skoda Fabia VRS to do 45k a year in, but I guess a Civic Type R would be sensible reliability for that kind of mileage.

If my subaru is anything to go by then I wouldn't trust it to do 45k per year reliably (especially if you start modding it)

Edited by SClarke on Monday 6th October 18:51

GAjon

4,009 posts

237 months

Monday 6th October 2008
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Just checked auto trader, the Mazda 6 MPS dealer prices are about £9 - £10.
with mid 20K miles.
This car would appear to tick all your boxes and a private sale might get you in your £8K budget.
They are a very good car and probably more important to you if you are going to be doing 45K a year, comfortable.

ScoobieWRX

4,863 posts

250 months

Monday 6th October 2008
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general190 said:
ScoobieWRX said:
You can pick up a nice low mileage 2003-2005 Impreza STi with full SSH for £7.5-£8.5K with service intervals at 10K miles. Leaves you about £1K-1.5K to do some mapping and mods (to 320/350bhp with basic physical mods), and you have a decent looking, comfortable, uber fast, cracking handling 4dr saloon with 4x4 traction for added safe driving in any weather and any road. With that sort of bhp you can easily crack the 165-175mph barrier should you find yourself on unrestricted autobahn in Germany, with 0-60 nr 4secs and still return 25mpg on a normal run.

How's that!!

Doing 45K miles a year you need something that will be reliable, practical, and take a good seeing to from time to time, and be fun to drive very quickly with very few cars on the road that will ever bother you.

Black, Blue or Black (you can tell i like black) biggrin

Edited by ScoobieWRX on Monday 6th October 15:40
I would love a black Scooby STi, but would be able to afford the ins! it would be crazy for me on one of those, as having a company car previously i only have 1years no claims. The supra for me was alot less than the scooby STi and even less than the WRX!
It would be a lot less to insure than you think, even at 21. Have a chat with Dave Moulson at Keith Michaels Car Insurance on 0208 288 0275, they know their Japs!!

general190

Original Poster:

339 posts

227 months

Tuesday 7th October 2008
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Wadeski said:
Umm....

im going to sound really boring here, but for that kind of miles, anything thats highly tuned (400bhp norris idea) is a really scary idea!

highly modded and rock-solid reliable don't necessarily go hand in hand....and 400bhp puts a strain on clutches, driveshafts etc.

S14 or maybe an IS200 might be a good idea...lexi are pretty cheap to insure.

When i was in a similar-ish position I looked at all the jap stuff and ended up going with a turbo Saab. turbo fun, but much much comfier than all but very high end jap stuff (which tends to come with high end parts costs).

Chipped Saab with a suspension upgrade would save your sanity for 140 miles per day with the cushy seats, but still push your head into the restrain with nearly 300lb/ft of torque. And with petrol prices rising turbo petrol family cars are a BARGAIN right now.
yea, i know a tuned engine is going to be less reliable, but it would be a completely rebuilt block, so basically a brand new engine and its built with all the internals to cope. i will have already uprated clutch, suspension etc.

and 400bhp is pritty tame out of a 200sx, if you want norris designs will build you a bored out 2.2ltr 800bhp SR20 DET if you have the money! i was hoping a s14 expert would pop in and give me their opinion.

*Kosta*

911 posts

227 months

Tuesday 7th October 2008
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See if you can insure a Subaru Legacy B4 RSK. Probably won't have the Stigma of an Impreza WRX to insurers.

a la http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/725640.htm

Remove that wing though

Or alternatively a Galant VR4?

Edited by *Kosta* on Tuesday 7th October 13:04

markCSC

2,987 posts

239 months

Tuesday 7th October 2008
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Or get a Forester!!!!! biggrin