MR 2 GT or GT Turbo?

[octonewt]

Hey guys, i appear to be saying "i'm getting this, or i'm getting that" but i actually have the funds now and still deffo want a Toyota. I'm pretty sure i want an MR2 over the GT4 mainly because of looks now but apart from the power differences which i think are 180bhp and 240bhp are there any pro's or con's between them?

Any help or advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

[Wadeski]

the 240bhp one has a turbo, the 170bhp one does not.

GT was a trim spec (i.e. options like leather, aircon, ABS etc) in both the UK and Japan, and so appears on both Japanese turbos and UK non-turbos.

[Ry_B]

turbo is fast with serious tuning ability, NA is just nippy, either way both are nice cars

[Blue Meanie]

I owned both. Well, the NA was a rev 2, which although down on power compared to the rev 3, was slightly quicker, due to certain regulations the rev 3 had to adhere to. Excellent car, and if you like to have a precise driving experience you will love it. Excellent turn in, and the level of grip you get in corners really does mean you can throw it about.
The turbo, was a different beast, especially on the straights. 5.2 to 60, and a 1/4 in around 13.5 meant it could stick with some of the big boys. Definitely a bit of a sleeper, and very tunable indeed. Ignore the dullards who say they snap out for no reason. It has a reason - The driver. You have to drive them smoothly, and you'll be fine... Lovely car, and damned comfy. Good boot space too.

[Dr KT]

Am I right in thinking you are NOT comparing MR2 NA Vs MR2 Turbo, but infact

Celica GT4 Vs MR2?

Suck it and see- MR2 tricky, bu rewarding, GT4 uber safe, and in England with the weather, probably more usuable.

Kam

[octonewt]

Dr KT said:

Am I right in thinking you are NOT comparing MR2 NA Vs MR2 Turbo, but infact

Celica GT4 Vs MR2?

Suck it and see- MR2 tricky, bu rewarding, GT4 uber safe, and in England with the weather, probably more usuable.

Kam

No i was actually asking about the 2 MR2's (the turbo'd and the NA) as i think i've ruled out the GT4 1. because i prefer the look and style of the MR2, also the insurance is quite high on the GT4 wheras the MR2 Turbo is nothing like i thoguht it would be.

[Blue Meanie]

If you aren't bothered by outright speed, then the NA should be fine. Sounds goos with just a filter, and handles as well as a Turbo in the twisty sections. I'd pick one over an MX5 any day of the week.

[octonewt]

Also, which Revision is everyone keen on? As i know there are 4 or 5 and i'm not so clear on the differences between them, i'm guessing that the rev 1 is the 80's shape? and obviously the rev 4-5 are the newest ones without turning into the hairdresser's cars we see today.

[Blue Meanie]

The MR2 Mk1 is the boxy one. Elise like handling, and pretty nippy for it;s day. The MK2 is the bigger, more GT like car. The choice seems to be Rev 3... It had the updated lights, brakes and suspension. The rev 2 that I had, (NA), had the larger 15" wheels, and I think the suspension was upgraded from the rev 1.

If you are going for a turbo, go for rev3+... It has 245 from the factory, compared to 225 for rev 1 and 2.

[Blue Meanie]

You can tell the revsby

Rev 1 and 2 had the squarish back lights. Rev 3+ had the rounder lights
Rev 1 and 2 had a 3 piece spoiler, whereas the rev 3 had a one piece, and much nicer, spoiler

Here's my old rev 3. 1 piece spoiler, and round lights. The turbo's also have a raised engine cover...



Rev 1 and 2 had square lights, and 3 piece spoiler, thus...

Edited by Blue Meanie on Thursday 2nd October 18:05

[rsstman]

gt4 anyday of the week (st205). such a better car than the mr2.

[Blue Meanie]

rsstman said:

gt4 anyday of the week (st205). such a better car than the mr2.

In what way? I've driven both, and the MR2 turbo is far better, in my opinion.

[rsstman]

Blue Meanie said:

rsstman said:

gt4 anyday of the week (st205). such a better car than the mr2.

In what way? I've driven both, and the MR2 turbo is far better, in my opinion.

well it grips better is far better to chuck about, looks far better , has a far better interior, is faster and much less of a salon car if you know what i mean. but then the one i drove had fully adjustable tein suspension and water injection and was basically a rally car.

the mr2 i drove was shockinly bad and a few months later was riddled with electrical faults and the gearbox went. was small inside with such a st interior it was unreal.

mr2? i mean come on, wheres the pedigree? down at the salon not on the rally stages.

[Blue Meanie]

rsstman said:

Blue Meanie said:

rsstman said:

gt4 anyday of the week (st205). such a better car than the mr2.

In what way? I've driven both, and the MR2 turbo is far better, in my opinion.

well it grips better is far better to chuck about, looks far better , has a far better interior, is faster and much less of a salon car if you know what i mean. but then the one i drove had fully adjustable tein suspension and water injection and was basically a rally car.

the mr2 i drove was shockinly bad and a few months later was riddled with electrical faults and the gearbox went. was small inside with such a st interior it was unreal.

mr2? i mean come on, wheres the pedigree? down at the salon not on the rally stages.

Well, I disagree. The interior of the MR2 was FAR better than the GT4. It was much more of a cockpit feel, and the seating position was perfect. As for chuckability, it depends what you want, obviously. Some people was awd 'just boot it and go round'.. Other prefer to do much more balancing on the throttle, and using the pedal to get around a corner. I know the GT4 I drove was much more variable going into a corner. It under-steered, then over-steered, and was very much on the edge. The MR2 just feels planted, and you bury your foot and the rear sits down, and you just go around, smooth as you like. Faster? You sure about that?

The MR2 you drove was shockingly bad? Well, tar them all the same why don't you.

[octonewt]

rsstman said:

Blue Meanie said:

rsstman said:

gt4 anyday of the week (st205). such a better car than the mr2.

In what way? I've driven both, and the MR2 turbo is far better, in my opinion.

well it grips better is far better to chuck about, looks far better , has a far better interior, is faster and much less of a salon car if you know what i mean. but then the one i drove had fully adjustable tein suspension and water injection and was basically a rally car.

the mr2 i drove was shockinly bad and a few months later was riddled with electrical faults and the gearbox went. was small inside with such a st interior it was unreal.

mr2? i mean come on, wheres the pedigree? down at the salon not on the rally stages.

I agree with Blue Meanie. The MR2's interior is way better looking and as a whole the car just looks more like a sports car no matter what range it is whereas the Celica can look really horrible unless it's the top spec GT4 in which case it still has a pants and tacky looking interior. The MR2's come with nice full leather and like Blue said, more of an enclosed cockpit look to them. ALso doesn't the MR2 twin turbo have more BHP? is it not lighter either?

[Blue Meanie]

The MR2 isn't a twin turbo... It's a twin entry turbo. The 205 has 240, and the MR2 has 245, but that's really nothing in the scale of things. The GT-Four will lose more in transmission losses, as well as being a bit heavier.

[octonewt]

Blue Meanie said:

The MR2 isn't a twin turbo... It's a twin entry turbo. The 205 has 240, and the MR2 has 245, but that's really nothing in the scale of things. The GT-Four will lose more in transmission losses, as well as being a bit heavier.

ooooh, i always thought that they were a twin turbo. So what is the difference between a MR2 GTS Turbo, and just a normal/GT turbo?

[Blue Meanie]

GT turbo has a higher spec.. AC, all that sort of stuff.. GTS has less.

[octonewt]

Blue Meanie said:

GT turbo has a higher spec.. AC, all that sort of stuff.. GTS has less.

So it's like a fancy version with leather and air con etc? No engine differences atall? And then there's the T-bar which is the sunroof version yeah? Are there any other versions that i should take into consideration? The reason i fancy a turbo'd is mainly because my brother now has an Astra VXR which he tracks sometimes and i'd like something to contend with that, you reckon the MR2 would keep up to an extent? Also is there only a twin entry turbo on the turbo side of things or is there anyhthing else?

[Blue Meanie]

octonewt said:

Blue Meanie said:

GT turbo has a higher spec.. AC, all that sort of stuff.. GTS has less.

So it's like a fancy version with leather and air con etc? No engine differences atall? And then there's the T-bar which is the sunroof version yeah? Are there any other versions that i should take into consideration? The reason i fancy a turbo'd is mainly because my brother now has an Astra VXR which he tracks sometimes and i'd like something to contend with that, you reckon the MR2 would keep up to an extent? Also is there only a twin entry turbo on the turbo side of things or is there anyhthing else?

Yup... Same car, just has some comfort bits included. Engineds are the same, etc. The MR2 Turbo should easily keep up with a VXR... Whether he could keep up with you is another story. Only a turbo on the turbo side? What do you mean? There is an intercooler, and all the other gubbins that you would normally have. Essentially the same angine as the NA, just turbo'd.