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From Leicestershire Police website....
"City centre traffic wardens and police officers have been targeting people who continue to ride and drive in pedestrian zones.
An operation took place on Tuesday September 23, 2003 in Church Gate, Leicester following complaints received from members of the public and bus operators of people contravening the regulations and continuing to drive vehicles unlawfully through pedestrian zones.
The three-hour operation resulted in 38 drivers being issued with fixed penalty notices In addition there was one offence of parking dangerously and one vehicle licence offences. More than 40 drivers were asked to produce their driving documents to police.
Further initiatives are planned to target other pedestrian zones in the area."
I'm not condoning driving in ped areas if it causes danger to others but what about some initiatives to target shoplifters/bag-snatchers/pickpockets/beggars etc. etc.....?
"City centre traffic wardens and police officers have been targeting people who continue to ride and drive in pedestrian zones.
An operation took place on Tuesday September 23, 2003 in Church Gate, Leicester following complaints received from members of the public and bus operators of people contravening the regulations and continuing to drive vehicles unlawfully through pedestrian zones.
The three-hour operation resulted in 38 drivers being issued with fixed penalty notices In addition there was one offence of parking dangerously and one vehicle licence offences. More than 40 drivers were asked to produce their driving documents to police.
Further initiatives are planned to target other pedestrian zones in the area."
I'm not condoning driving in ped areas if it causes danger to others but what about some initiatives to target shoplifters/bag-snatchers/pickpockets/beggars etc. etc.....?
highwayman said:
From Leicestershire Police website....
I'm not condoning driving in ped areas if it causes danger to others but what about some initiatives to target shoplifters/bag-snatchers/pickpockets/beggars etc. etc.....?
Do you really think that the police do not do this?
Have you ever watched an ITV fly on the wall documentary on how various Police forces work?
Are you aware that the Govt made bag snatching and street crime the No.1 Police objective last year and most forces pulled resources away from main stream Policing effort to reduce the problems?
This sort of initiative happens day in day out. Most large town centre areas have dedicated shop lifting teams, working in plain clothes and on intelligence led initiatives.
The problem with these initiatives is that there are so many of them happening that they go unnoticed by the general public. Something a little bit different such as this gets a few headlines and thus comments like the ones highlighted above
So the BiB like you Madcop are simply at the political whims of the morons in power at the moment.
Of course common sense would perhaps dictate that each police force should figure out how to reduce the crime on their own patches and not be subject to these whims.
But this of course would never happen while we have self serving hypocrites in power. Oh dear, just realised, that will never change
Guy Fawkes had the right idea.
Ace-T
Of course common sense would perhaps dictate that each police force should figure out how to reduce the crime on their own patches and not be subject to these whims. But this of course would never happen while we have self serving hypocrites in power. Oh dear, just realised, that will never change
Guy Fawkes had the right idea. Ace-T
Having been burgled twice in a week and been told by the officer "not alot we can do, we dont even investigate these anymore" by leicester police, i wont say here what i really want to say but you can probably guess most of it..
Needless to say I moved house as the leicester police offer zero protection to any normal law abiding citizen
>> Edited by dontlift on Thursday 25th September 21:47
Needless to say I moved house as the leicester police offer zero protection to any normal law abiding citizen
>> Edited by dontlift on Thursday 25th September 21:47
dontlift said:I see that John Burbeck (Chief Con in Warks) has advocated citizens arresting persons committing crimes. He is quoted as saying, "If you see some youths kicking downm a fence, do something, apprehend them." What planet is he on then?
Having been burgled twice in a week and been told by the officer "not alot we can do, we dont even investigate these anymore" by leicester police, i wont say here what i really want to say but you can probably guess most of it..
Needless to say I moved house as the leicester police offer zero protection to any normal law abiding citizen
>> Edited by dontlift on Thursday 25th September 21:47
streaky said:
I see that John Burbeck (Chief Con in Warks) has advocated citizens arresting persons committing crimes. He is quoted as saying, "If you see some youths kicking downm a fence, do something, apprehend them." What planet is he on then?
Isn't that just what Tony Martin was doing?
Streaky
I read the article you mention in the Mail yesterday (tried to find a thread to a weblink for the story but failed miserably).
Its all very well this cheif cons coming up with sweepeing statements like this, but the truth of the matter is this, The majority of the British public WILL NOT HELP!! and can you blame them?
1. The chance of serious injury through good deads or helping those in trouble is foremost in poeples mind (how many stories have there been recently about people being killed whilst trying to stop theives or car jackers).
2. Once you've apprehended the scrote, then what.?You wouldn't want to hold them in your house, and it will be hours before most police forces turn up.
3. Fear of individual or gang retribution for your actions, against you, your family, property or business.
4. Fear of being taken to court by the scrote (for which they will get legal aid) if you do anything wrong during the citizens arrest.
I'm sure there are other items that I haven't included.
This goes directly against other Police recomendations.
So If you're in the street you should stop somebody commiting crime if you see it. But if its your house getting burgaled or your shop getting robbed then you are supposed to just let them do it without any resistance????? Go figure. Different forces giving different advice.
Personnaly I think the guy is an Idiot, for saying we should do more. Although I have no problem helping if I see anything, he is living on a different planet if he thinks shouting at the public is going to change their apathy.
I read the article you mention in the Mail yesterday (tried to find a thread to a weblink for the story but failed miserably).
Its all very well this cheif cons coming up with sweepeing statements like this, but the truth of the matter is this, The majority of the British public WILL NOT HELP!! and can you blame them?
1. The chance of serious injury through good deads or helping those in trouble is foremost in poeples mind (how many stories have there been recently about people being killed whilst trying to stop theives or car jackers).
2. Once you've apprehended the scrote, then what.?You wouldn't want to hold them in your house, and it will be hours before most police forces turn up.
3. Fear of individual or gang retribution for your actions, against you, your family, property or business.
4. Fear of being taken to court by the scrote (for which they will get legal aid) if you do anything wrong during the citizens arrest.
I'm sure there are other items that I haven't included.
This goes directly against other Police recomendations.
So If you're in the street you should stop somebody commiting crime if you see it. But if its your house getting burgaled or your shop getting robbed then you are supposed to just let them do it without any resistance????? Go figure. Different forces giving different advice.
Personnaly I think the guy is an Idiot, for saying we should do more. Although I have no problem helping if I see anything, he is living on a different planet if he thinks shouting at the public is going to change their apathy.
highwayman said:
An operation took place ... following complaints received from members of the public and bus operators
Q: When is a pedestrian zone not a pedestrian zone?
A: When fecking busses are allowed to drive in them!
What's the point in designating a pedestrian area, where you're just as likely to get mown down by a double decker?
{edit:} Oops! Almost forgot the original point of this post:
If busses can drive through a "pedestrian area" then why not cars? If its not truly pedestrians only why call it a "pedestrian area"?
>> Edited by pdV6 on Friday 26th September 09:23
Saw a bloke come running out of a shop a few weeks back with a small fireplace (of all things) which he'd grabbed. The shopkeeper was standing in the door yelling 'grab him'. Myself and another person who happened to be there could have easily got hold of him but we looked at each other and shrugged.
I feel bad about this but I wasn't prepared to risk getting a kicking, sued by the thief and try and keep the guy under control for 2 hours till plod turn up.
I feel bad about this but I wasn't prepared to risk getting a kicking, sued by the thief and try and keep the guy under control for 2 hours till plod turn up.
judas said:
Isn't that just what Tony Martin was doing?
Tony Martin made one mistake. He shot the pikey in the back as he was making off. If he'd have plugged him inside his house, in the face, he'd may have been ok.
And I don't think John Burbeck was actually suggesting you arm yourselves.
All this talk about turning the other cheek, crossing the road, wetting your pants has me worried. Remember, all the other posters here are the people you'd look to for help if you got in the s#1t...
At least as you got your car smashed up you'd be able to look at passers by with pride and say to yourselves..."yep - i'd do the same"
meeja said:Sorry but very few people abuse this system. Most abuses are by people without disabled badges parking in disabled spaces.
and disabled badge holders (who are about as disabled as I am!)...
I could go on....
Sorry, this is one of my bug bears. Just 'cos someone doesn't look particularly disabled to you doesn't mean that they aren't.
I know people who look like they can walk normally but cannot walk more than 50 yards without being in serious pain or completely out of breath. IE people with MS. If they have a badge then please, please assume the doctor that signed the form knows what they are talking about - rather than thinking "there's no way they are disabled". Alot of them put a very brave face over their difficulties so that they don't see the pitying looks of passersby.
I once had to help a perfectly healthy looking young man (20-ish) over a bridge because he had got split up from his friends and, due to MS, couldn't manage the steps on his own. It was quite embarrasing for him to have to ask a stranger - especially when, being wary of muggers, I had to ask what was wrong and why he needed help.
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