Superchargers - Are they really a good investment?
Discussion
Ok, not starting a debate on which is best or not but, I'm seriously debating on getting one. Looked at both the Harrop and Maggie packages and both have their pro's and cons but what I'm asking those that have s'chargers;
Do you feel that now you have one fitted, that is was worth the money or was it bit of an anti-climax?
Is it really *THAT* good? Do you really get a rush when you plant the loud pedal into the carpet?
The reason I'm asking is that some of you seem to have outgrown the s/c's and want to move onto larger capacity NA set up's which leaves me wondering will a 'charger satisfy my needs?
Ok, I'm a weekend warrior, car only goes out at weekends, but I've reached the end of the line with the official WORTEC NA upgrades (Performance Pac, AP's, Rip etc) and somehow, it still doesn't feel 'enough'. Would love to things like the pod and like most of us here, I do like to employ a spirited (but in a safe kind of way ie no one about) kind of driving.
Honest opinions would be nice please - as this will probably be my last long term investment as the car looks as though it's going to be staying with me for long time to come and these set-up's are expensive s/c or the forged internals route.
As mentioned before - not looking to cause friction in the Harrop or Maggie users/suppliers (my mind is farily made up on which one I'll go for)- just want honest opinions of living with one on a daily/weekly basis.
Thanks
Paul
Do you feel that now you have one fitted, that is was worth the money or was it bit of an anti-climax?
Is it really *THAT* good? Do you really get a rush when you plant the loud pedal into the carpet?
The reason I'm asking is that some of you seem to have outgrown the s/c's and want to move onto larger capacity NA set up's which leaves me wondering will a 'charger satisfy my needs?
Ok, I'm a weekend warrior, car only goes out at weekends, but I've reached the end of the line with the official WORTEC NA upgrades (Performance Pac, AP's, Rip etc) and somehow, it still doesn't feel 'enough'. Would love to things like the pod and like most of us here, I do like to employ a spirited (but in a safe kind of way ie no one about) kind of driving.
Honest opinions would be nice please - as this will probably be my last long term investment as the car looks as though it's going to be staying with me for long time to come and these set-up's are expensive s/c or the forged internals route.
As mentioned before - not looking to cause friction in the Harrop or Maggie users/suppliers (my mind is farily made up on which one I'll go for)- just want honest opinions of living with one on a daily/weekly basis.
Thanks
Paul
Edited by DevilYellowCV8 on Saturday 4th October 17:35
Hi mate, I have a maggie 122 and a VZ CV8 and I can honestly say it's worth every penny. According to Mark's dyno at 9psi you can expect about 520 fwhp and 580 lbs which is a massive boost over standard. It really is *THAT* good!
My problem is too much is never enough. I want to make my car as powerful as it can be but that's just me
My problem is too much is never enough. I want to make my car as powerful as it can be but that's just me
I tried both (Vortec and Harrop) and went for the Vortec in the end, intercooler was 520fwhp at 5/6psi. I went for the Vortec because you could drive it normally with no affect unless you wanted it. I also blew it up, melted some rings and totalled the bearing shells, not from normal driving though so don't worry. Was drifting and ABS beep masked the engine overheating beep, was too late when I realised. Now nearly finish with balanced, cam, forged internals, new exhaust, fuel system, list goes on, kazz, etc. You would never look back.
crisisjez said:
Blowers totally rule for road cars, the eaton type rules supreme f or instant shove, exactly what you need for a `daily driver` 
If you get the chance pop accross and have a spin in mine.
(I may have a proposition for you)
If you get the chance pop accross and have a spin in mine.
(I may have a proposition for you)
Jez, help me out with the 600hp thread as I'm losing. Even Richard has turned against me
Depends on your goals mate.
For some stock is fine, for others SC only is fine..
A few seem to be doing both engine upgrades and superchargers with the resultant double increases.
Having driven various V8's over the years I've decided around 600bhp is good therefore aimed myself there via the NA route.
If you can drive some demonstators or other members cars (or be driven in one) before deciding then you should.
For some stock is fine, for others SC only is fine..
A few seem to be doing both engine upgrades and superchargers with the resultant double increases.
Having driven various V8's over the years I've decided around 600bhp is good therefore aimed myself there via the NA route.
If you can drive some demonstators or other members cars (or be driven in one) before deciding then you should.
wormus said:
crisisjez said:
Blowers totally rule for road cars, the eaton type rules supreme f or instant shove, exactly what you need for a `daily driver`
If you get the chance pop accross and have a spin in mine.
(I may have a proposition for you)
If you get the chance pop accross and have a spin in mine.
(I may have a proposition for you)
Jez, help me out with the 600hp thread as I'm losing. Even Richard has turned against me
Eatons are awesome, aspecially for the road, the instant power delivery is hard to beat and there`s not much out there under 150K that can take mine.
But it won`t get me to 200MPH at Brunters so I have to decide wether to spend such a huge pile of cash for a little power hike to get me there.
I probably will because I don`t know when to stop.
Thanks for the replies.
Trawled through LS1.GTO and YouTube for ideas and thoughts on this. From what I've seen and read, they do seem to be really good fun and add to the driving experience. But I thought I'd run this past the forum members here as there does seem to be a fairly more balanced view on them.
Probably will go for the cheaper 122 system out of the two on offer as it does seem to rate pretty well with our American cousins.
Few more questions;
This one for the Magnuson chaps; I noticed on the installation manual (VY '04)that the bonnet insulation panel had to be removed and 'discarded', does this also apply to our VZ models? Would be a tad concerned about blistering the bonnet paint work!
For both Harrop & Magnuson; do the any other components such as fuel pumps have to be uprated? (Done the brakes)
Previous clutch topics were of great interest / help. Doubt I can afford to upgrade that part as well esp as it'll rarely get dragged!
Finally would like to thank you all for helping me blow my wife's kitchen money....
Trawled through LS1.GTO and YouTube for ideas and thoughts on this. From what I've seen and read, they do seem to be really good fun and add to the driving experience. But I thought I'd run this past the forum members here as there does seem to be a fairly more balanced view on them.
Probably will go for the cheaper 122 system out of the two on offer as it does seem to rate pretty well with our American cousins.
Few more questions;
This one for the Magnuson chaps; I noticed on the installation manual (VY '04)that the bonnet insulation panel had to be removed and 'discarded', does this also apply to our VZ models? Would be a tad concerned about blistering the bonnet paint work!
For both Harrop & Magnuson; do the any other components such as fuel pumps have to be uprated? (Done the brakes)
Previous clutch topics were of great interest / help. Doubt I can afford to upgrade that part as well esp as it'll rarely get dragged!
Finally would like to thank you all for helping me blow my wife's kitchen money....
crisisjez said:
Blowers totally rule for road cars, the eaton type rules supreme f or instant shove, exactly what you need for a `daily driver`
If you get the chance pop accross and have a spin in mine.
(I may have a proposition for you)
If you get the chance pop accross and have a spin in mine.
(I may have a proposition for you)
Your not selling the car are you or taking the supercharger off. Don't say you may be going the Ringram route
DevilYellowCV8 said:
Thanks for the replies.
Trawled through LS1.GTO and YouTube for ideas and thoughts on this. From what I've seen and read, they do seem to be really good fun and add to the driving experience. But I thought I'd run this past the forum members here as there does seem to be a fairly more balanced view on them.
Probably will go for the cheaper 122 system out of the two on offer as it does seem to rate pretty well with our American cousins.
Few more questions;
This one for the Magnuson chaps; I noticed on the installation manual (VY '04)that the bonnet insulation panel had to be removed and 'discarded', does this also apply to our VZ models? Would be a tad concerned about blistering the bonnet paint work!
For both Harrop & Magnuson; do the any other components such as fuel pumps have to be uprated? (Done the brakes)
Previous clutch topics were of great interest / help. Doubt I can afford to upgrade that part as well esp as it'll rarely get dragged!
Finally would like to thank you all for helping me blow my wife's kitchen money....
Trawled through LS1.GTO and YouTube for ideas and thoughts on this. From what I've seen and read, they do seem to be really good fun and add to the driving experience. But I thought I'd run this past the forum members here as there does seem to be a fairly more balanced view on them.
Probably will go for the cheaper 122 system out of the two on offer as it does seem to rate pretty well with our American cousins.
Few more questions;
This one for the Magnuson chaps; I noticed on the installation manual (VY '04)that the bonnet insulation panel had to be removed and 'discarded', does this also apply to our VZ models? Would be a tad concerned about blistering the bonnet paint work!
For both Harrop & Magnuson; do the any other components such as fuel pumps have to be uprated? (Done the brakes)
Previous clutch topics were of great interest / help. Doubt I can afford to upgrade that part as well esp as it'll rarely get dragged!
Finally would like to thank you all for helping me blow my wife's kitchen money....
YHM
Edited by crisisjez on Saturday 4th October 22:02
DevilYellowCV8 said:
Thanks for the replies.
This one for the Magnuson chaps; I noticed on the installation manual (VY '04)that the bonnet insulation panel had to be removed and 'discarded', does this also apply to our VZ models? Would be a tad concerned about blistering the bonnet paint work!
This one for the Magnuson chaps; I noticed on the installation manual (VY '04)that the bonnet insulation panel had to be removed and 'discarded', does this also apply to our VZ models? Would be a tad concerned about blistering the bonnet paint work!
Both setups "wear" the bonnet lining away - its just that snug a fit, you don't need to remove it altogether though - most put up with it wearing a small patch away of the padding. Seen it on loads of supercharged cars at the touring car meets. Depends on your car though how bad it will be - they all sit slightly differently and some have just enough clearance but we're dealing with mm's here. Think that was why the Maggie folk used recessed bolts to fasten their valley cover down - trying to get a few extra mm to pull the charger down onto the valley. IIRC its actually the throttle body/plastic intake pipe where they meet that rubs.
Bonnie and Clyde said:
crisisjez said:
Blowers totally rule for road cars, the eaton type rules supreme f or instant shove, exactly what you need for a `daily driver`
If you get the chance pop accross and have a spin in mine.
(I may have a proposition for you)
If you get the chance pop accross and have a spin in mine.
(I may have a proposition for you)
Your not selling the car are you or taking the supercharger off. Don't say you may be going the Ringram route
No and No.
I`ll never sell.
NA doesn`t suit my daily driving style.
DevilYellowCV8 said:
This one for the Magnuson chaps; I noticed on the installation manual (VY '04)that the bonnet insulation panel had to be removed and 'discarded', does this also apply to our VZ models? Would be a tad concerned about blistering the bonnet paint work!
For both Harrop & Magnuson; do the any other components such as fuel pumps have to be uprated? (Done the brakes)
Previous clutch topics were of great interest / help. Doubt I can afford to upgrade that part as well esp as it'll rarely get dragged!
Finally would like to thank you all for helping me blow my wife's kitchen money....
For both Harrop & Magnuson; do the any other components such as fuel pumps have to be uprated? (Done the brakes)
Previous clutch topics were of great interest / help. Doubt I can afford to upgrade that part as well esp as it'll rarely get dragged!
Finally would like to thank you all for helping me blow my wife's kitchen money....
You don't have to remove the bonnet insulation but as people have said, you have to put up with a bit cut out of it as the ETC throttle body is bigger on our cars and it rubs. On the plus side Mark went through loads of pain getting mine to work so yours should be a doddle. Now my engine has come out the engine mountings will be machined to make everything sit 1/2" lower.
The fuel pump is upgraded for 9psi and he uses thicker IC cores from standard but Mark handles all that. Standard clutch is holding on mine so you'll be fine if you don't drag it. The maggie makes a wonderful noise (think Mad Max) and has loads of low down stomp, you'll absolutely love the way the back tyres lose traction in the dry. Go for it
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