Funny money? serious global finance question.
Funny money? serious global finance question.
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tallbloke

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313 months

Friday 10th October 2008
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OK, I'm asking this in all seriousness, because I'd like to know the answer.

The IMF apparently only has 160 billion in the coffers.

The American national debt is over Ten Trillion dollars.

Who do they owe it to?

Is it:

Wealthy institutions?

An international playboy?

The Chinese and Saudis?

The notional bright future?

Is it real money or a debt the US is self underwiting on the premise that they can pay it back in the future as the economy :ahem: expands?

How is that different to printing dollar bills out of nowhwere. Doesn't that cause inflation?

Edited by tallbloke on Friday 10th October 13:55

HundredthIdiot

4,477 posts

314 months

Friday 10th October 2008
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Investors and governments in China and Japan.

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Edited by HundredthIdiot on Friday 10th October 13:55

limpsfield

6,676 posts

283 months

Friday 10th October 2008
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tallbloke said:
Who do they owe it to?
chuck norris

Chuck Norris doesn’t target inflation. He roundhouse-kicks it until it begs for mercy.

The tears of Chuck Norris would supply enough liquidity to solve the credit crisis. Too bad he never cries.

There is no market regulator. Just a list of securities Chuck Norris allows to be traded.

Chuck Norris has a trade surplus with China.

Olf

11,978 posts

248 months

Friday 10th October 2008
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They owe themselves.

Stigmundfreud

22,454 posts

240 months

Friday 10th October 2008
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limpsfield said:
tallbloke said:
Who do they owe it to?
chuck norris

Chuck Norris doesn’t target inflation. He roundhouse-kicks it until it begs for mercy.

The tears of Chuck Norris would supply enough liquidity to solve the credit crisis. Too bad he never cries.

There is no market regulator. Just a list of securities Chuck Norris allows to be traded.

Chuck Norris has a trade surplus with China.
Is there no bounds known to Chuck?

tallbloke

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10,376 posts

313 months

Friday 10th October 2008
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Olf said:
They owe themselves.
What, a double whopper or a kick up the arse?

tallbloke

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313 months

Friday 10th October 2008
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HundredthIdiot said:
Investors and governments in China and Japan.

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Edited by HundredthIdiot on Friday 10th October 13:55
Interesting. So how does that work then. Half the debt held by 'intragovernmental holdings'? Who are they? and the Fed, isn't that owned by the Rothschilds and other 'names'?

Is 'Foriegn and international' a bit like 'country and western?

smile

Edited by tallbloke on Friday 10th October 14:05

Fittster

20,120 posts

243 months

Friday 10th October 2008
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tallbloke said:
Olf said:
They owe themselves.
What, a double whopper or a kick up the arse?
The Federal Reserve is NOT part of the US government. Lots and lots of conspiracy about it's ownership and control, a lot involving the word Rothschild.

HundredthIdiot

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314 months

Friday 10th October 2008
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Fittster said:
The Federal Reserve is NOT part of the US government. Lots and lots of conspiracy about it's ownership and control, a lot involving the word Rothschild.
The hand of Zod will crush you for that remark.

Fittster

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243 months

Friday 10th October 2008
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HundredthIdiot said:
Fittster said:
The Federal Reserve is NOT part of the US government. Lots and lots of conspiracy about it's ownership and control, a lot involving the word Rothschild.
The hand of Zod will crush you for that remark.
www.themoneymasters.com

The trouble is the Fed is such a complicated and secretive organisation it is hard to know exactly what is true and what is force.


tallbloke

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Friday 10th October 2008
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HundredthIdiot said:
Fittster said:
The Federal Reserve is NOT part of the US government. Lots and lots of conspiracy about it's ownership and control, a lot involving the word Rothschild.
The hand of Zod will crush you for that remark.
So why is the question of whose money backs the fed such a big secret? Have they got something to hide? What happened to 'transparency'??

tallbloke

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Friday 10th October 2008
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Fittster said:
“Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money."
Sir Josiah Stamp, Director of the Bank of England (appointed 1928). Reputed to be the 2nd wealthiest man in England at that time.

Now we're getting somewhere. smile

Fittster

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Friday 10th October 2008
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tallbloke said:
HundredthIdiot said:
Fittster said:
The Federal Reserve is NOT part of the US government. Lots and lots of conspiracy about it's ownership and control, a lot involving the word Rothschild.
The hand of Zod will crush you for that remark.
So why is the question of whose money backs the fed such a big secret? Have they got something to hide? What happened to 'transparency'??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Syste...

See if you understand the complete structure of the bank. There is a lot of scope for 'misunderstanding'.

tallbloke

Original Poster:

10,376 posts

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Friday 10th October 2008
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Fittster said:
tallbloke said:
HundredthIdiot said:
Fittster said:
The Federal Reserve is NOT part of the US government. Lots and lots of conspiracy about it's ownership and control, a lot involving the word Rothschild.
The hand of Zod will crush you for that remark.
So why is the question of whose money backs the fed such a big secret? Have they got something to hide? What happened to 'transparency'??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Syste...

See if you understand the complete structure of the bank. There is a lot of scope for 'misunderstanding'.
The intro lists the main components, but I don't see 'wealthy individuals' listed there?

Fittster

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243 months

Friday 10th October 2008
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tallbloke said:
Fittster said:
“Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money."
Sir Josiah Stamp, Director of the Bank of England (appointed 1928). Reputed to be the 2nd wealthiest man in England at that time.

Now we're getting somewhere. smile
Now that may or may not be rubbish. Do you have the time and skill to really understand what is going on?

tallbloke

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Friday 10th October 2008
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Fittster said:
Now that may or may not be rubbish. Do you have the time and skill to really understand what is going on?
We don't seem to be getting much help from the loud money boys on this one.

smile

Fittster

20,120 posts

243 months

Friday 10th October 2008
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tallbloke said:
Fittster said:
Now that may or may not be rubbish. Do you have the time and skill to really understand what is going on?
We don't seem to be getting much help from the loud money boys on this one.

smile
They don't want us to know the truth, they are our oppressors!!!

tallbloke

Original Poster:

10,376 posts

313 months

Friday 10th October 2008
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Fittster said:
tallbloke said:
Fittster said:
Now that may or may not be rubbish. Do you have the time and skill to really understand what is going on?
We don't seem to be getting much help from the loud money boys on this one.

smile
They don't want us to know the truth, they are our oppressors!!!
Or maybe it's just that it's fk off friday, and since they've had a bad week, they're prolly hopelessly pissed in some bar downtown, spending the last of the clients cash.

RichardD

3,608 posts

275 months

Friday 10th October 2008
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I think this could be an interesting read.

http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Federal-Reserve-Eust...

tallbloke

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Friday 10th October 2008
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RichardD said:
I think this could be an interesting read.

http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Federal-Reserve-Eust...
Mullins presents some bare facts about the Federal Reserve System with subjects on: it IS NOT a U.S. government bank; it IS NOT controlled by Congress; it IS a privately owned Central Bank controlled by the elite financiers in their own interest. The Federal Reserve elite controls excessive interest rates, inflation, the printing of paper money, and have taken control of the depression of prosperity in the United States.

About the Author
Eustace Mullins is a veteran of the United States Air Force,