power difference
power difference
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daz the plumber

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14,997 posts

262 months

Friday 10th October 2008
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mak

1,445 posts

257 months

Friday 10th October 2008
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Daz wot you up to tomorrow dinner time, i've got to pop over and see my mum at mapperly sometime so once and for all you can put this 5ltr against the 4ltr to bed and maybe even share your experience about the two cars back to back on hear, i've only just worked out who you are kid so your welcome for a blast wink By the way its steve the chippy that lived up the road from you a few years back smile

That Daddy

19,463 posts

252 months

Friday 10th October 2008
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daz the plumber said:
how much power difference is there between the 4l and 5l
Enough biggrin

funbobby

1,706 posts

289 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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mmm i know what you mean

mak

1,445 posts

257 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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Nice to see you again kid and actually have a bit of time to show you around the old gal, mmmmm! Can you remember when i offered you my car about 2 years ago biggrin hindsight is a wonderfull thing if we had it, any way i have to say your 4ltr goes bl**dy well compared to the couple i have been in so stick with it and forget about the rattles and just enjoy the thing wink By the way it would look better with my wheels and headlights but shout DO NOT SPEND ANY MORE ON IT!

Chimjunkie

2,879 posts

242 months

Wednesday 15th October 2008
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A 4L up against a 5L will not put the difference to bed unfortunately! Way too much variation in the power outputs of both and the car weights.

A simplified example:
A standard 4L with 210 bhp and 1050 kg gives 200 bhp/ton
A standard 5L with 250 bhp and 1125 kg gives 222 bhp/ton

Proberbly not a lot of difference in performance

A standard 4L with 185 bhp and 1125kg gives 164 bhp/ton
A standard 5L with 275 bhp and 1050kg gives 263 bhp/ton

BIG DIFFERENCE!!!

Dont think the above examples are unrealistic either. Please correct me if i'm wrong.


spend

12,581 posts

282 months

Wednesday 15th October 2008
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Chimjunkie said:
A 4L up against a 5L will not put the difference to bed unfortunately! Way too much variation in the power outputs of both and the car weights.

A simplified example:
A standard 4L with 210 bhp and 1050 kg gives 200 bhp/ton
A standard 5L with 250 bhp and 1125 kg gives 222 bhp/ton

Probably not a lot of difference in performance

A standard 4L with 185 bhp and 1125kg gives 164 bhp/ton
A standard 5L with 275 bhp and 1050kg gives 263 bhp/ton

BIG DIFFERENCE!!!

Don't think the above examples are unrealistic either. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
My pleasure tongue outhehe

Jons' point is extremely salient about the range of performance you can expect from the models. There may well be more 500s over 300bhp (doesn't seem unusual these days!) than 400's with 220bhp which skews the results even more. With the best will in the world you never know what is a definitive car within the marque, try 6 500's and they will all feel quite different?

funbobby

1,706 posts

289 months

Wednesday 15th October 2008
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sorry to sound daft but how does a standard chim come in a different weights bar the fat bugger behind the wheel maybe?

spend

12,581 posts

282 months

Wednesday 15th October 2008
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Much more fg in the front end and all the lardy arserp twirly stuff in the newer models tongue outtongue out

dbv8

8,676 posts

251 months

Thursday 16th October 2008
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http://www.letstorquebhp.com/calculator.asp

Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 336
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1125
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 303.46
0 - 60 (Secs) : 4.05
0 - 100 (Secs) : 9.44
60 - 100 (Secs) : 5.38
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 12.32
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 114.25
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 12.22
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 115.57

A standard 450 Chimaera with a 60bhp shot of Nitrous wink

Chimjunkie

2,879 posts

242 months

Thursday 16th October 2008
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dbv8 said:
http://www.letstorquebhp.com/calculator.asp

Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 336
Weight without Driver (KG) : 1125
Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 303.46
0 - 60 (Secs) : 4.05
0 - 100 (Secs) : 9.44
60 - 100 (Secs) : 5.38
Quarter Mile (Secs) : 12.32
Terminal Speed (MPH) : 114.25
Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 12.22
Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 115.57

A standard 450 Chimaera with a 60bhp shot of Nitrous wink
Is the Nitrous system covered/insured for road use too?

dbv8

8,676 posts

251 months

Thursday 16th October 2008
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Chimjunkie said:
Is the Nitrous system covered/insured for road use too?
No the bottle has to be fitted and plumbed in at the dragstrip.
Only takes 10 minutes tho.

im

34,302 posts

248 months

Thursday 16th October 2008
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Chimjunkie said:
A standard 4L with 185 bhp and 1125kg gives 164 bhp/ton
A standard 5L with 275 bhp and 1050kg gives 263 bhp/ton
Isn't that a bit unrealistic???

If you're talking at the flywheel a 185 bhp 4L Chim would be about the worst I've heard of...and if your talking about at the wheels a 275 bhp 5L Chim would most certainly not be standard.

IMHO

spend

12,581 posts

282 months

Thursday 16th October 2008
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im said:
Chimjunkie said:
A standard 4L with 185 bhp and 1125kg gives 164 bhp/ton
A standard 5L with 275 bhp and 1050kg gives 263 bhp/ton
Isn't that a bit unrealistic???

If you're talking at the flywheel a 185 bhp 4L Chim would be about the worst I've heard of...and if your talking about at the wheels a 275 bhp 5L Chim would most certainly not be standard.

IMHO
I thought they were pretty realistic extremes, I would hazard a guess that there are more cars (than we would like too low!) outside that range wink

Hoover.

5,993 posts

273 months

Thursday 16th October 2008
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from what I've seen on rolling roads... Jon's figures I would say a fair average of the majority of the cars out there.... most cars are +/- 10bhp of those figures