Richard Oakes GTM Rendering
Richard Oakes GTM Rendering
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fuoriserie

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Saturday 11th October 2008
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While browsing for some info, I found this very nice rendering by Richard Oakes, depicting a GTM/Midas proposal....I love those Alfa's too.....smile





LooseCannon

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251 months

Saturday 11th October 2008
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That's from an Alternative Cars mag, it was great when he was submitting stuff like that. Really is a talented bloke.

Ferg

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281 months

Sunday 12th October 2008
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Coupe windscreen....

Lovely Alfas.

qdos

825 posts

234 months

Sunday 12th October 2008
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Very like the original Toyota MR2.

As it happens I know the guys at Midas are considering some styling changes to the current Midas so if you have any ideas why not sketch some. Personally I think they should go back to the old round lights that to me was the nicest looking Midas produced.



Below, the current version



Edited by qdos on Sunday 12th October 08:42

Ferg

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Sunday 12th October 2008
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qdos said:
Very like the original Toyota MR2.

As it happens I know the guys at Midas are considering some styling changes to the current Midas so if you have any ideas why not sketch some. Personally I think they should go back to the old round lights that to me was the nicest looking Midas produced.
Except that the convertible wasn't a great looker.....

I agree that the later car wasn't as pretty, but that was more a result of trying to make it 'one-donor' wasn't it?

qdos

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Sunday 12th October 2008
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Ferg said:
I agree that the later car wasn't as pretty, but that was more a result of trying to make it 'one-donor' wasn't it?
It was indeed and to my eyes it was a backward step which spoilt a good design. But the guys are looking at it so why not have folks ideas

Ferg

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Sunday 12th October 2008
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qdos said:
Ferg said:
I agree that the later car wasn't as pretty, but that was more a result of trying to make it 'one-donor' wasn't it?
It was indeed and to my eyes it was a backward step which spoilt a good design. But the guys are looking at it so why not have folks ideas
If Richard's not interested there's only one man for the job........ smile

fuoriserie

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Sunday 12th October 2008
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qdos said:
Very like the original Toyota MR2.

As it happens I know the guys at Midas are considering some styling changes to the current Midas so if you have any ideas why not sketch some. Personally I think they should go back to the old round lights that to me was the nicest looking Midas produced.



Below, the current version



Edited by qdos on Sunday 12th October 08:42
I do have a few ideas........ I actually did some rough sketches on a Mk2 Bronze design update...

I will see what I can come up with, but I also agree with the comments that using a single donor is a great idea, but sometimes there is a limit.

Lights should be bespoke to the new design, in any new design project.

Edited by fuoriserie on Sunday 12th October 10:21

Ferg

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Sunday 12th October 2008
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fuoriserie said:
Lights should be bespoke to the new design, in any new design project.
I agree.


ajprice

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Sunday 12th October 2008
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A restyle would be great, to get away from the metro parts. Looking at the pictures there of the new and old cars, I'd say that vertical lights, going up the edge of the bonnet line, would look pretty good. The car is so narrow that to have horizontal lights (front and rear) looks a bit odd because there's so little gap for a grille or number plate between the lights. Compare the front ends of a Smart Roadster to a Honda Beat and you'll see what I mean!

Paul Drawmer

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291 months

Sunday 12th October 2008
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fuoriserie said:
Lights should be bespoke to the new design, in any new design project.
Now some of you will know how little I know about design, regulations etc.

But, when you say bespoke lights, do you mean complete special units at the cost of £££££££; or do you mean simple off-the shelf units behind bespoke covers?

The problem I have with bespoke covers, is that if they aren't optically perfect they become diffusers. ISTR that is why RDM invented the 'GTO' light bucket (which looks the Wiesmann to me) because the German TUV wouldn't accept plastic covers.



I was told once by a automitive designer that light design was one of the more costly areas of development. That might have been because world wide, there are several differing sets of rules to meet.

Edited by Paul Drawmer on Sunday 12th October 17:26

Ferg

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Sunday 12th October 2008
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Paul Drawmer said:
Nasty.

Paul Drawmer

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Sunday 12th October 2008
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Well I never said I liked the look of it. I would like lights that work that well though. The GTM version is nasty; and although the Wiesmann is better, the light bucket/wing join is awful.

I like round light units. The original Midas shown earlier in the thread looks so much better than the later thing. I find the TVR 350(?) individual lights look 'OK'.

I like it where the lights themselves become a feature, like the Alfa renderings above, and of course on the Blackjack Zero.

qdos

825 posts

234 months

Monday 13th October 2008
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fuoriserie said:
I do have a few ideas........ I actually did some rough sketches on a Mk2 Bronze design update...

I will see what I can come up with

Edited by fuoriserie on Sunday 12th October 10:21
Go for it Italo I look forward to seeing your ideas and I'll mention it to them. While you're on the GTM Richard Oakes theme I know where the K3 Rossa is too and ought to speak to the guys there too about a project we have on the back burner.


Richard's renderings are not too far away from the outcome

Edited by qdos on Monday 13th October 07:53

fuoriserie

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Monday 13th October 2008
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Paul Drawmer said:
fuoriserie said:
Lights should be bespoke to the new design, in any new design project.
But, when you say bespoke lights, do you mean complete special units at the cost of £££££££; or do you mean simple off-the shelf units behind bespoke covers?

The problem I have with bespoke covers, is that if they aren't optically perfect they become diffusers. ISTR that is why RDM invented the 'GTO' light bucket (which looks the Wiesmann to me) because the German TUV wouldn't accept plastic covers.



I was told once by a automitive designer that light design was one of the more costly areas of development. That might have been because world wide, there are several differing sets of rules to meet.

Edited by Paul Drawmer on Sunday 12th October 17:26
Your designer friend was right, one of the most expensive part to design correctly, and lighting is very important.

Bespoke I meant, off the shelf units behind covers, but depending on local regulations, that changes from country to country.

I like the Wiesmann units.....but also those on the TVR Sagaris.

Edited by fuoriserie on Monday 13th October 09:29

qdos

825 posts

234 months

Monday 13th October 2008
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Segaris is Ok but the Tuscan is hideous