Alternative Motor Racing Like it IS --MotoGP
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Millions of disillusioned F1 motor sport fans--Derek Smith asks where does the true pistonhead enthusiast go to support our lifeblood?.
Perhaps the mega Billions involved in F1 make it impossible to allow the regulations to run the sport on a HONEST basis--that would be Naive.With the FIA making up the NEW rules as and when to suit whatever they wish to arrange ---the teams and sponsers have NO say in their investments OR futures,Untill the accountants say enough now!!! the charade goes on.
Moto GP is an alternative for us PH,s to enjoy at the present time.Following the sport for a lifetime from Geoff Duke to John Surtees to Mike to Ago to- Mick - Rossi NOW-- we havent had the utter corruption in brains from FIM or ACU --or have I missed something?
NO New regs-rules made up as one goes along---hours later a NEW penalty is announced!!!!YOU must be joking!! the real enthusiasts would tear the Dorna organisation to bits--ON the day.
The BEST racing I have ever seen over the past ---Years,without the constant fighting and brainwash from the supposed governing body--- maybe its due to the REAL danger of laying the machine over at 230mph, that puts EVERYTHING into prospective.
TIME to start again in F1?? Derek??.
Perhaps the mega Billions involved in F1 make it impossible to allow the regulations to run the sport on a HONEST basis--that would be Naive.With the FIA making up the NEW rules as and when to suit whatever they wish to arrange ---the teams and sponsers have NO say in their investments OR futures,Untill the accountants say enough now!!! the charade goes on.
Moto GP is an alternative for us PH,s to enjoy at the present time.Following the sport for a lifetime from Geoff Duke to John Surtees to Mike to Ago to- Mick - Rossi NOW-- we havent had the utter corruption in brains from FIM or ACU --or have I missed something?
NO New regs-rules made up as one goes along---hours later a NEW penalty is announced!!!!YOU must be joking!! the real enthusiasts would tear the Dorna organisation to bits--ON the day.
The BEST racing I have ever seen over the past ---Years,without the constant fighting and brainwash from the supposed governing body--- maybe its due to the REAL danger of laying the machine over at 230mph, that puts EVERYTHING into prospective.
TIME to start again in F1?? Derek??.
Darth Paul said:
Conian said:
Moto GP is ace, though it does have a couple of tiny flaws, which hopefully will be ironed out next year.
Explain please?Riders all met recently to discuss reducing the amount of electronic input/interference between the throttle and the engine.
paranha said:
maybe its due to the REAL danger of laying the machine over at 230mph, that puts EVERYTHING into prospective.
I'd like that explaining or maybe just a picture of someone putting more than 25 degrees of lean on a bike at more than 180mph without massive pain and or injury seconds later.ZeeTacoe said:
paranha said:
maybe its due to the REAL danger of laying the machine over at 230mph, that puts EVERYTHING into prospective.
I'd like that explaining or maybe just a picture of someone putting more than 25 degrees of lean on a bike at more than 180mph without massive pain and or injury seconds later.Johno said:
flemke said:
Any views on a control tyre next year?
Yes, it is total and utter b
ks and takes MotoGP nearer to the farce that is F1 these days.Full explanation available on biker banter forum.
It's a sad day for true prototype racing.
Edited by Johno on Sunday 12th October 23:54
I'd say that World Superbikes provides better racing than MotoGP.
For me it's the perfect balance between F1 (of the past few years) style where only 1 or 2 guys can win (which MotoGP isn't that far from, and a Superstock/125/250 style free for all where for my tastes too many people are capable of winning which means it's difficult for rivalaries to form and gives the impression that whomever wins on a certain day just happened to get it right that day, rather than is the best all round rider/bike package overall.
It's also helped by the fact that all races, qualifying and practice sessions are provided free to stream from the worldsbk.com site free of charge and that I really enjoy the commentary from Jonathan Green and Steve Martin.
Maybe it's because I'm a Haga fan and he's pretty much hero or zero so every race is on the edge of the seat stuff.
As for the single tyre in MotoGP, I'm all for it. People say that it stifles innovation, slows the racing down and so on, but is that such a big deal? I'd rather watch racing on 10 year old tyre technlogy that requires 50% slower corner speeds as long as that applies equally thoughout the field. I hate race weekends where my favourite rider is on top form, my favourite team has the bike dialed in perfectly, everyone that counts has done a superb job, but they're 2 seconds off the pace because the tyre manufacturer they signed up with 10 months ago happened to balls up the compunds for the conditions on the day, making it effectively a 2 class race.
For me it's the perfect balance between F1 (of the past few years) style where only 1 or 2 guys can win (which MotoGP isn't that far from, and a Superstock/125/250 style free for all where for my tastes too many people are capable of winning which means it's difficult for rivalaries to form and gives the impression that whomever wins on a certain day just happened to get it right that day, rather than is the best all round rider/bike package overall.
It's also helped by the fact that all races, qualifying and practice sessions are provided free to stream from the worldsbk.com site free of charge and that I really enjoy the commentary from Jonathan Green and Steve Martin.
Maybe it's because I'm a Haga fan and he's pretty much hero or zero so every race is on the edge of the seat stuff.
As for the single tyre in MotoGP, I'm all for it. People say that it stifles innovation, slows the racing down and so on, but is that such a big deal? I'd rather watch racing on 10 year old tyre technlogy that requires 50% slower corner speeds as long as that applies equally thoughout the field. I hate race weekends where my favourite rider is on top form, my favourite team has the bike dialed in perfectly, everyone that counts has done a superb job, but they're 2 seconds off the pace because the tyre manufacturer they signed up with 10 months ago happened to balls up the compunds for the conditions on the day, making it effectively a 2 class race.
Stu R said:
ZeeTacoe said:
paranha said:
maybe its due to the REAL danger of laying the machine over at 230mph, that puts EVERYTHING into prospective.
I'd like that explaining or maybe just a picture of someone putting more than 25 degrees of lean on a bike at more than 180mph without massive pain and or injury seconds later.I've watched the odd bit of MotoGP in the past but this year decided to follow the whole Moto GP season instead of F1.....wow! So glad i did.
MotoGP: Frequently exciting races start to finish, bikes with better power/weight than F1 cars but a tenth of the contact patch, loads of skilful overtaking, riders demonstrating huge bravery and respect for each other when passing, competitors with genuine spirit and personality who say what they think, no pit shenanigans, minimal penalties, minimal political backstabbing and bulls**t
F1: All overtaking and racing seemingly penalised by stewards, limited overtaking opportunities, races determined by tedious pit lane tactics, massively overhyped, no apparent regard for the wishes of fans or the traditions of the 'sport', charisma-vacuum drivers gagged by sponsors and teams, boring featureless modern tracks chasing foreign money, run to pursue murky political agendas and further billionaire power games.
.....and to think i used to get up in the middle of the night to cheer for Jean Alesi and the 'underdog' Ferrari team!
I'm generally more of a car man than a bike-man but MotoGP gives me a decent 45mins-1hr of thrilling racing every few weeks and i'm grateful for it. Lets hope Dorna doesn't ruin MotoGP the way that the FIA has killed what's supposed to be the world's premier motorsport series.
Anybody not yet converted should watch the battle between Rossi and Stoner at Laguna Seca this year. A brief taste available here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfPM77TsGaA&fea...
MotoGP: Frequently exciting races start to finish, bikes with better power/weight than F1 cars but a tenth of the contact patch, loads of skilful overtaking, riders demonstrating huge bravery and respect for each other when passing, competitors with genuine spirit and personality who say what they think, no pit shenanigans, minimal penalties, minimal political backstabbing and bulls**t
F1: All overtaking and racing seemingly penalised by stewards, limited overtaking opportunities, races determined by tedious pit lane tactics, massively overhyped, no apparent regard for the wishes of fans or the traditions of the 'sport', charisma-vacuum drivers gagged by sponsors and teams, boring featureless modern tracks chasing foreign money, run to pursue murky political agendas and further billionaire power games.
.....and to think i used to get up in the middle of the night to cheer for Jean Alesi and the 'underdog' Ferrari team!
I'm generally more of a car man than a bike-man but MotoGP gives me a decent 45mins-1hr of thrilling racing every few weeks and i'm grateful for it. Lets hope Dorna doesn't ruin MotoGP the way that the FIA has killed what's supposed to be the world's premier motorsport series.
Anybody not yet converted should watch the battle between Rossi and Stoner at Laguna Seca this year. A brief taste available here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfPM77TsGaA&fea...
Edited by darth_pies on Monday 13th October 01:11
the racing at Laguna Seca was absolutely awesome this year in the Moto GP. Immense doesn't even cover it, especially if you've come from F1 and start watching this! I usually try and catch both over the weekend though but used to pay more attention to F1 however currently I tend to prefer to watch the Moto GP but that may also be to do with 
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