Brown and Darling - their Falklands moment?
Brown and Darling - their Falklands moment?
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audidoody

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8,598 posts

286 months

Monday 13th October 2008
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Well who would have thought it? A month ago pariahs in their own Party and in the eyes of the voters. Now look at them - saviours of the UK and global economies. Could this be their "Rejoice" Falklands moment and see them through to another term? They seem to have done awfully well on the world stage in the last week. Dave and George must be weeping.


It's not over 'till its over ...



Edited by audidoody on Monday 13th October 08:53

grumbledoak

32,571 posts

263 months

Monday 13th October 2008
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That is almost certainly what they are hoping.

cjs

11,679 posts

281 months

Monday 13th October 2008
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The polls still have them way behind. Will that change? Wait for the fall out when we see the damage to our public spending this rescue package has caused. Wait for taxes to go up!

gmk666

1,679 posts

255 months

Monday 13th October 2008
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Got a feeling this is more like their Blackadder Goes Forth moment. The scene where the guns go silent before the lads climb out of the trench and advance.
Only difference being one of those events is very sad.

Edited by gmk666 on Monday 13th October 09:01

215cu

2,956 posts

240 months

Monday 13th October 2008
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I don't think so.

'The Falklands' marked something very clear in post-war British history, the end of the 'genteel decline' from Empire.

It drew a line in the sand that the UK were going to be a force to be reckoned with again. Newsweek Magazine famous "The Empire Strikes Back" was the iconoclastic image.



This is very different.

This marks a collapse in Government economic policy, one build on debt, government, business and personal debt. An economy build on the sands of it. A Government with it's greasy fingerprints all over this total failure now having to shore up the very economy they lauded and built over the last 11 years.

I'm just glad Brown didn't fk up this recovery plan, they sure dithered enough but then it's not really his plan and the Tories can claim some credit. The Jury is still out but believe me once the fear turns to anger, which it will once the bank and markets stabilise, this government is going to get both barrels.

The Bank of England will be furious, the opposition will be furious and the people will be furious.

Brown might be enjoying this now but I doubt he will in a few months time.

Edited by 215cu on Monday 13th October 09:02

NoelWatson

11,710 posts

272 months

Monday 13th October 2008
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cjs said:
The polls still have them way behind. Will that change? Wait for the fall out when we see the damage to our public spending this rescue package has caused. Wait for taxes to go up!
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=a7syAVy7_pcs&refer=uk

cjs

11,679 posts

281 months

Monday 13th October 2008
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NoelWatson said:
cjs said:
The polls still have them way behind. Will that change? Wait for the fall out when we see the damage to our public spending this rescue package has caused. Wait for taxes to go up!
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=a7syAVy7_pcs&refer=uk
Yep that's the Poll showing Torys on 43% and labour on 34%

john2443

6,546 posts

241 months

Monday 13th October 2008
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215cu said:
This marks a collapse in Government economic policy, one build on debt, government, business and personal debt. An economy build on the sands of it. A Government with it's greasy fingerprints all over this total failure now having to shore up the very economy they lauded and built over the last 11 years.
If this is true, then it's satisfying to know that we are still the most important country in the world and that our government's policies have caused the worlds financial marked to melt down smile

Presumably you think that if another party had been in power (with their beleif in free market economics) they would have clamped down om the banks wild lending schemes, prevented and UK financial problems AND kept the rest of the world on track.

I think not! It's possible that with a different govt things might have been 10% or 20% better or worse, but it would have happened one way or the other.


215cu

2,956 posts

240 months

Monday 13th October 2008
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john2443 said:
215cu said:
This marks a collapse in Government economic policy, one build on debt, government, business and personal debt. An economy build on the sands of it. A Government with it's greasy fingerprints all over this total failure now having to shore up the very economy they lauded and built over the last 11 years.
If this is true, then it's satisfying to know that we are still the most important country in the world and that our government's policies have caused the worlds financial marked to melt down smile

Presumably you think that if another party had been in power (with their beleif in free market economics) they would have clamped down om the banks wild lending schemes, prevented and UK financial problems AND kept the rest of the world on track.

I think not! It's possible that with a different govt things might have been 10% or 20% better or worse, but it would have happened one way or the other.
Actually, if they kept the regulatory framework of the previous administration, this would definitely NOT have happened.

Look at HSBC, took fewer risks and operated a far more cautious position.

They aren't exposed at all, if they are, it's very manageable.

SGirl

7,924 posts

291 months

Monday 13th October 2008
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As Private Eye said:

Brown + Darling = Drowning.

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

247 months

Monday 13th October 2008
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What needs to be exposed, but won't because it's too complicated to sell via headlines, is that Labour's 10 years of encouraging silly borrowing to fund growth is what's really left us in the st now- without it, he wouldn't need to rescue anything.

Sadly the average red-top reader would get bored by the time the bold text runs out.

Simpo Two

92,863 posts

295 months

Monday 13th October 2008
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SGirl said:
As Private Eye said:

Brown + Darling = Drowning.
And if I may momentarily revert to schoolboy, it's not helped by the fact that, whatever he's doing, Darling looks like a complete spastic.




(my apologies to true spastics)

nownek

408 posts

242 months

Monday 13th October 2008
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Falklands moment?

Only with Brown in the roll of Galtieri*








*shamelessly stolen from Guido....

chris watton

22,547 posts

290 months

Monday 13th October 2008
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anonymous said:
[redacted]
hehe

I suspect if the Argentines did it now, Brown would apologise to them and hand it over, and pay compensation for our Imperial past......

NoelWatson

11,710 posts

272 months

Monday 13th October 2008
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215cu said:
john2443 said:
215cu said:
This marks a collapse in Government economic policy, one build on debt, government, business and personal debt. An economy build on the sands of it. A Government with it's greasy fingerprints all over this total failure now having to shore up the very economy they lauded and built over the last 11 years.
If this is true, then it's satisfying to know that we are still the most important country in the world and that our government's policies have caused the worlds financial marked to melt down smile

Presumably you think that if another party had been in power (with their beleif in free market economics) they would have clamped down om the banks wild lending schemes, prevented and UK financial problems AND kept the rest of the world on track.

I think not! It's possible that with a different govt things might have been 10% or 20% better or worse, but it would have happened one way or the other.
Actually, if they kept the regulatory framework of the previous administration, this would definitely NOT have happened.

Look at HSBC, took fewer risks and operated a far more cautious position.

They aren't exposed at all, if they are, it's very manageable.
HSBC have written down more than Lloyds, RBS and Barclays combined - haven't looked at their relative market caps.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

285 months

Monday 13th October 2008
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We need a Guy Fawkes moment, just to be sure...

Goochie

5,799 posts

249 months

Monday 13th October 2008
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mybrainhurts said:
We need a Guy Fawkes moment, just to be sure...
HAHA! Funniest thing on PH today.

cardigankid

8,879 posts

242 months

Monday 13th October 2008
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The last week has just been the 'Gordie Saves the World' show, i wouldn't advise you to be teaken in by it. The was largely responsible for the problem in the first place.

bigandclever

14,393 posts

268 months

Monday 13th October 2008
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Wish I could take credit for this but...

The Daily Mash said:
And with the prime minister re-energised by the fears of millions of Britons, some political observers are claiming the crisis could be Mr Brown's 'Winston Churchill moment'.

Bill McKay, professor of politics at Reading University, said: "Yes, it would be a 'Winston Churchill moment' if Churchill had spent 10 years giving hand relief to Hitler and Goering before telling them exactly where, when and how to invade Britain."

Yertis

19,719 posts

296 months

Monday 13th October 2008
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Given the gratitude shown to Churchill in 1945 I hope it is a "Churchill Moment".