How many other issues are being buried at the moment?

[digger_R]

I've no answers myself, I am wondering though. Obviously even the brightest optimist couldn't see this gubberment missing a trick on this one, so how many Gauntanamos and new Id card schemes have we seen rolled out over the last week or two?

[stackmonkey]

One of the things that AREN'T being buried at the moment, is, well, bodies.
Families that don't have the money to bury someone using their savings can get grants etc. but due to the credit crunch, undertakers cannot afford the several week wait until grants come through and are asking for money upfront. The families don't have the readies to hand, so loads of bodies are being cold stored until the grants come through.

[grumbledoak]

The 42 days detention legislation is about to go to the Lords, isn't it? Hopefully to be thrown out, but who'd even hear about it?

[mattikake]

I notice the VED band out-cries seem to have mysteriously disappeared. As ever this credit crunch will be a convenient distraction from other unfair policies that sneak in through the back door, or a convenient excuse to impose freedom-sucking policies in a knee-jerk reaction to the problem which will fk you over in the long term.

Nothing changes.

[V8mate]

The government's climate change advisors decided that it would be better if we aim for an 80% rather than 60% reduction in carbon emmissions by 2050.

[tonyvid]

mattikake said:

I notice the VED band out-cries seem to have mysteriously disappeared. As ever this credit crunch will be a convenient distraction from other unfair policies that sneak in through the back door, or a convenient excuse to impose freedom-sucking policies in a knee-jerk reaction to the problem which will fk you over in the long term.

Nothing changes.

Yep, and what about the increase in fuel duty that was delayed from April to October, what do you reckon on the chances of that sliding through, especially as the barrel price has dropped?

The Olympic overspend has gone very quiet, scapping the new Carriers got a little mention the other day...

[10 Pence Short]

tonyvid said:

The Olympic overspend has gone very quiet, scapping the new Carriers got a little mention the other day...

At the current rate the Olympics is going to be held in a shed at the bottom of Daley Thompson's garden.

[Hub]

Can't imagine any backing down over additional tax at the moment - the govt will need as much money as they can get!

[Murray993]

Mandelson sneeked back in over the last few weeks, must be bad

[Yertis]

tonyvid said:

mattikake said:

I notice the VED band out-cries seem to have mysteriously disappeared. As ever this credit crunch will be a convenient distraction from other unfair policies that sneak in through the back door, or a convenient excuse to impose freedom-sucking policies in a knee-jerk reaction to the problem which will fk you over in the long term.

Nothing changes.

Yep, and what about the increase in fuel duty that was delayed from April to October, what do you reckon on the chances of that sliding through, especially as the barrel price has dropped?

The Olympic overspend has gone very quiet, scapping the new Carriers got a little mention the other day...

Have they scrapped the new carriers?

[10 Pence Short]

Hub said:

Can't imagine any backing down over additional tax at the moment - the govt will need as much money as they can get!

Expect taxes to go up and up.

Quite a few seafairers have just had their income taxes rocket after the Revenue decided they weren't on ships, they were in fact on 'moving platforms' or some such, removing their exemption.

[CommanderJameson]

V8mate said:

The government's climate change advisors decided that it would be better if we aim for an 80% rather than 60% reduction in carbon emissions by 2050.

Talk about setting yourself up to fail.

[mattikake]

10 Pence Short said:

Hub said:

Can't imagine any backing down over additional tax at the moment - the govt will need as much money as they can get!

Expect taxes to go up and up.

Yet of course, because taxation is so high in this country, consumers have had to submit to the pressures of gadet and services fashion with credit instead, and so were a major factor in this whole crisis in the first place. Now all the money that the government stored from this taxation for a rainy day, now has to be used to recover from the situation of everyone having to live off credit.

And what will the government now have to do in order to recover the money they just dished out? Raise taxation.

Personally I think millions of people need (deserve) to die... A nice war. That's what you need. Create a land of opportunity and a new boom artificially. The first to die should be the rich. It's the only way to make sure everyone makes a fresh equal start.

Hmm... moral grounds to a rich-culling revolution by the people? I think so!

Edited by mattikake on Monday 13th October 13:26

[SleeperCell]

They have some massively expensive and complicated hairbrained scheme to record and keep all electronic communications in Britain. So all your phones calls, emails, websites you've visited etc are recorded and kept a few years before some public servant loses an unencrpted disk on a train and your private phone calls become the next hit on youtube.

[tonyvid]

Yertis said:

tonyvid said:

mattikake said:

I notice the VED band out-cries seem to have mysteriously disappeared. As ever this credit crunch will be a convenient distraction from other unfair policies that sneak in through the back door, or a convenient excuse to impose freedom-sucking policies in a knee-jerk reaction to the problem which will fk you over in the long term.

Nothing changes.

Yep, and what about the increase in fuel duty that was delayed from April to October, what do you reckon on the chances of that sliding through, especially as the barrel price has dropped?

The Olympic overspend has gone very quiet, scapping the new Carriers got a little mention the other day...

Have they scrapped the new carriers?

No. There was some mention that the whole thing should be "revisited" to see whether we needed them....

[tubbystu]

10 Pence Short said:

tonyvid said:

The Olympic overspend has gone very quiet, scapping the new Carriers got a little mention the other day...

At the current rate the Olympics is going to be held in a shed at the bottom of Daley Thompson's garden.

But spending your way out of a depression on capital projects is a proven method of keeping the home-fires burning.

By spending on internal capital projects you keep money in the country, employ large numbers of personnel and because they are all paying tax the govt gets 20% or so of every pound back in tax & NI.

Depending on how long and how deep the slow-down is the olympic project could actually turn out to be a bit of a god-send. During any slow-down the construction business suffers early and hard. Whether you are in favour of the Olympics coming to London, or the antcipated spend on it, here at least is a pefect solution to keep great swathes of the construction industry busy on a project that has to be completed on time to a standard whatever the cost.

Prime contractor companies should be on a straightforward cost plus basis to avoid massive profiteering and/or equally some of the debacles typically of the Wembley build when steel prices quadrupled between design and delivery date.

[RedLeicester]

mattikake said:

10 Pence Short said:

Hub said:

Can't imagine any backing down over additional tax at the moment - the govt will need as much money as they can get!

Expect taxes to go up and up.

Yet of course, because taxation is so high in this country, consumers have had to submit to the pressures of gadet and services fashion with credit instead, and so were a major factor in this whole crisis in the first place. Now all the money that the government stored from this taxation for a rainy day, now has to be used to recover from the situation of everyone having to live off credit.

And what will the government now have to do in order to recover the money they just dished out? Raise taxation.

Personally I think millions of people need (deserve) to die... A nice war. That's what you need. Create a land of opportunity and a new boom artificially. The first to die should be the rich. It's the only way to make sure everyone makes a fresh equal start.

Hmm... moral grounds to a rich-culling revolution by the people? I think so!

Edited by mattikake on Monday 13th October 13:26

Are you 12?

[10 Pence Short]

tubbystu said:

10 Pence Short said:

tonyvid said:

The Olympic overspend has gone very quiet, scapping the new Carriers got a little mention the other day...

At the current rate the Olympics is going to be held in a shed at the bottom of Daley Thompson's garden.

But spending your way out of a depression on capital projects is a proven method of keeping the home-fires burning.

By spending on internal capital projects you keep money in the country, employ large numbers of personnel and because they are all paying tax the govt gets 20% or so of every pound back in tax & NI.

Depending on how long and how deep the slow-down is the olympic project could actually turn out to be a bit of a god-send. During any slow-down the construction business suffers early and hard. Whether you are in favour of the Olympics coming to London, or the antcipated spend on it, here at least is a pefect solution to keep great swathes of the construction industry busy on a project that has to be completed on time to a standard whatever the cost.

Prime contractor companies should be on a straightforward cost plus basis to avoid massive profiteering and/or equally some of the debacles typically of the Wembley build when steel prices quadrupled between design and delivery date.

You could spend £12b or so on an overgrown sportsday, or you could spend it on keeping the economy afloat in more tangible and realistic ways, of course.

[AngryApples]

tonyvid said:

Yertis said:

tonyvid said:

mattikake said:

I notice the VED band out-cries seem to have mysteriously disappeared. As ever this credit crunch will be a convenient distraction from other unfair policies that sneak in through the back door, or a convenient excuse to impose freedom-sucking policies in a knee-jerk reaction to the problem which will fk you over in the long term.

Nothing changes.

Yep, and what about the increase in fuel duty that was delayed from April to October, what do you reckon on the chances of that sliding through, especially as the barrel price has dropped?

The Olympic overspend has gone very quiet, scapping the new Carriers got a little mention the other day...

Have they scrapped the new carriers?

No. There was some mention that the whole thing should be "revisited" to see whether we needed them....

Quite rightly

I mean, we're an island, what the feck do we need a navy for?

[Adrian W]

The military have stopped spending, loads of job losses