Wanted - PHP Programmer in Leeds

[Mrs Dalesman]

Chapter Eight are looking for a PHP master who is a guru at web development. Experience of relational database development, software development and object oriented programming is a must. You'll be writing state-of-the-art code running on Linux, Apache and PostgreSQL.

You'll be working on a wide variety of ecommerce and content management projects for a wide range of clients including Gatecrasher and Gulf Oil. You'll also be supporting a separate 7 man design team along with your four colleagues in our Development team.

Further details on our website :

http://www.chaptereight.com/about/working-here/job...

If you are interested e.mail your details + CV to [e-mail]

Sue
www.chaptereight.com

[elster]

for £20k you aren't going to find someone who is that good.

[AL...Ease]

I was going to ask about the salary, but you really won't get anyone who's an expert at more than one of the required fields for 20k.

[Mrs Dalesman]

Prepared to pay more for the right candidate.

Sue

[chris_crossley]

This has allways puzzled me. Computers used to be a job to aspire to. Not anymore.

Programming is difficult, complicated and a pain. It takes years to learn the bits needed.
I have been doing it professionally for 18+ years, mainly Oracle back end database bank/office systems. I have also done a bit of web front end JSP/JAVA and PHP work. So i know what i am talking about.

£20k, really, is that all your offering for years of experiance and possibly a degree education?
I can see why people open up tea rooms or clean out bins for a living. The hassle is not worth
the money. Companys seem to want people todo everything and pay as little as possible.

[AL...Ease]

Hence after the degree in Computing I'm not really looking for a career in it, I can do things more interesting that pay better...

[chris_crossley]

I would advise anyone who is heading into computers not to. Thanks to the cheap import of workers in IT mainly from India and old russian. It has killed the rates contract and perm. Study things they can't out sourced. Practical stuff that everyone needs like an Electrician or plummer.

Businesses are based on strong IT.

[elster]

Mrs Dalesman said:

Prepared to pay more for the right candidate.

Sue

Friend would like the job. But he did laugh at the salary. His exact words were double it then add a bit then you will get someone who can do the job.

[the-gofer]

AL...Ease said:

Hence after the degree in Computing I'm not really looking for a career in it, I can do things more interesting that pay better...

I agree that the junior starting rates (at least for the "scriptier" languages - if you are into C++, C#, J2EE then the money can still be good at the start) are not as good as they might have been pre-millenium. I guess a mixture of reasons from influx of skill, bubble burst all the way through to the current darling of commercial management which is off-shoring.

However, that said, remember IT is not just about programming. Don't throw in the IT towel because programming rates aren't all they were - you could always get a few years experience and then move up the Sol/Sys Arch route towards CTO style jobs - trust me, they pay well if know what you are doing!

Edited by the-gofer on Friday 17th October 16:43

[teapea]

I also completed a degree in programming, graduated 2 years ago, i now work in a completely different field of work which has no relevence to my degree what so ever, luckily i was able to find an employer who was willing to train me into a completely different career on the basis of being "degree educated"

and i earn more money than my peers who did go into programming, despite many of them being brigher than me

its a crying shame, as i knew some tremendously talented programmers, who are earning nowhere near what we were believed we could potentially earn 5 years or so ago when we were looking into what to study at degree level,
it always seemed that of all my A level subjects, computing was the one to take to degree level as everyone always reminded you "oh theres a lot of money in computers", plus the fact im a complete geek and love programming and computers and technology! (and also cars of course!)

to my knowledge the highest earner off my course 2 after graduation who is working as a programmer is on 25k and he was truely gifted.

but then i know people from other degree courses who graduated with 1st class degrees and are unable to find work in their particular field

I believe its the governments fault for pushing too many people into doing degrees, hense why there's so many people who completed one degree or another (with a 2.1 or above) now working stacking shelves in a supermarket

Programming is a complicated job, more so than most apprieciate, and add in the factor of continuous retraining/updating of knowledge and you have some highly skilled people,

to ask all this for 20k ? ,
your asking for someone who :

will of completed GCSE's/ A levels in difficult subjects with grade C or above

Completed a degree course at 2.1 or above

job hunted, got a job in I.T. as a programmer, worked for 5 years or so becoming and expect in their field

20k for all that is a bit shocking really!

sorry for the essay probably stating the obvious

[Tonto]

At the end of the day, its all about supply and demand. If there are enough people will the skills wanting a job, then the salary goes down. Introduce a shortage of skilled workers ......

I've been working in I.T. and now Data Networks for 28 years and I've got a pretty good job, but I wouldn't like to be hunting for one now!

[AL...Ease]

teapea said:

I also completed a degree in programming, graduated 2 years ago, i now work in a completely different field of work which has no relevence to my degree what so ever, luckily i was able to find an employer who was willing to train me into a completely different career on the basis of being "degree educated"

and i earn more money than my peers who did go into programming, despite many of them being brigher than me

In which area?

[teapea]

i did a lot of oracle, as i elected mostly database modules, and a lot of php

really though i chose not to work in computing, i just didnt fancy it lol
plus i know the work will end up being more and more outsourced,

so i should probably get off my high horse and yep its supply and demand

[AL...Ease]

I mean which area are you in now, earning more than programmers?

[Mrs Dalesman]

teapea said:

to ask all this for 20k ? ,
your asking for someone who :

will of completed GCSE's/ A levels in difficult subjects with grade C or above

Completed a degree course at 2.1 or above

job hunted, got a job in I.T. as a programmer, worked for 5 years or so becoming and expect in their field

20k for all that is a bit shocking really!

The job advertised is £20k - £25k
However, as stated previously - we are prepared to pay more for the right person

S