The Renault power output
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For the first practice time in China I was surprised to see piquest in the top ten. After all, Flabby Briatore complained earlier this year that the engine freeze had cost him umpteen bhp because Renault was the only team apart from Honda to play by the rules.
So imagine my suprise to find Piquet, whom I've always thought of as a bit on the slow side, manaes to get third spot behind his team mate on second practice.
Now I'm unaware of what rats smell like but I smell one now.
Further, for a team that has amditted it is concentrating on next year's car, the increase in performance over the last few races is remarkable. It would appear that far from being 20bhp down on other teams, the Renault engine, as fitted to the renault anyway, is the most powerful on the grid.
What chance of the FiA examining it? On a scale of 0 to 0.
So imagine my suprise to find Piquet, whom I've always thought of as a bit on the slow side, manaes to get third spot behind his team mate on second practice.
Now I'm unaware of what rats smell like but I smell one now.
Further, for a team that has amditted it is concentrating on next year's car, the increase in performance over the last few races is remarkable. It would appear that far from being 20bhp down on other teams, the Renault engine, as fitted to the renault anyway, is the most powerful on the grid.
What chance of the FiA examining it? On a scale of 0 to 0.
Derek Smith said:
For the first practice time in China I was surprised to see piquest in the top ten. After all, Flabby Briatore complained earlier this year that the engine freeze had cost him umpteen bhp because Renault was the only team apart from Honda to play by the rules.
So imagine my suprise to find Piquet, whom I've always thought of as a bit on the slow side, manaes to get third spot behind his team mate on second practice.
Now I'm unaware of what rats smell like but I smell one now.
Further, for a team that has amditted it is concentrating on next year's car, the increase in performance over the last few races is remarkable. It would appear that far from being 20bhp down on other teams, the Renault engine, as fitted to the renault anyway, is the most powerful on the grid.
What chance of the FiA examining it? On a scale of 0 to 0.
Interesting point that have all of a sudden gained this speed??? Faster than the Ferraris today?? HmmmmmSo imagine my suprise to find Piquet, whom I've always thought of as a bit on the slow side, manaes to get third spot behind his team mate on second practice.
Now I'm unaware of what rats smell like but I smell one now.
Further, for a team that has amditted it is concentrating on next year's car, the increase in performance over the last few races is remarkable. It would appear that far from being 20bhp down on other teams, the Renault engine, as fitted to the renault anyway, is the most powerful on the grid.
What chance of the FiA examining it? On a scale of 0 to 0.
They were supposedly going to be granted leave to modify their engines to give them 'parity' with the other teams who'd made modifications, but not until after the end of the season.
Maybe someone tipped them the wink to say they could go ahead now, or maybe it's just typical opportunism from Flav at a time when he knows the authorities have bigger silver fish to fry.
Maybe someone tipped them the wink to say they could go ahead now, or maybe it's just typical opportunism from Flav at a time when he knows the authorities have bigger silver fish to fry.
Wanta996Gotta said:
Derek Smith said:
For the first practice time in China I was surprised to see piquest in the top ten. After all, Flabby Briatore complained earlier this year that the engine freeze had cost him umpteen bhp because Renault was the only team apart from Honda to play by the rules.
So imagine my suprise to find Piquet, whom I've always thought of as a bit on the slow side, manaes to get third spot behind his team mate on second practice.
Now I'm unaware of what rats smell like but I smell one now.
Further, for a team that has amditted it is concentrating on next year's car, the increase in performance over the last few races is remarkable. It would appear that far from being 20bhp down on other teams, the Renault engine, as fitted to the renault anyway, is the most powerful on the grid.
What chance of the FiA examining it? On a scale of 0 to 0.
Interesting point that have all of a sudden gained this speed??? Faster than the Ferraris today?? HmmmmmSo imagine my suprise to find Piquet, whom I've always thought of as a bit on the slow side, manaes to get third spot behind his team mate on second practice.
Now I'm unaware of what rats smell like but I smell one now.
Further, for a team that has amditted it is concentrating on next year's car, the increase in performance over the last few races is remarkable. It would appear that far from being 20bhp down on other teams, the Renault engine, as fitted to the renault anyway, is the most powerful on the grid.
What chance of the FiA examining it? On a scale of 0 to 0.
Derek Smith said:
Further, for a team that has amditted it is concentrating on next year's car, the increase in performance over the last few races is remarkable. It would appear that far from being 20bhp down on other teams, the Renault engine, as fitted to the renault anyway, is the most powerful on the grid.
There's a bit in Autosport this week about some aero tweaks (front wing I think) they've made which apparently makes the car much easier to drive and hence quicker. Alonso said the car was really nice to drive now, so it sounds like a fairly important change and one which could release a bit of laptime.Derek Smith said:
For the first practice time in China I was surprised to see piquest in the top ten. After all, Flabby Briatore complained earlier this year that the engine freeze had cost him umpteen bhp because Renault was the only team apart from Honda to play by the rules.
Toyota also complied to the letter of the rules. It's Renault, Honda, and Toyota.Derek Smith said:
So imagine my suprise to find Piquet, whom I've always thought of as a bit on the slow side, manaes to get third spot behind his team mate on second practice.
Piquet is capable of going fast. He's just inconsistent. Furthermore, Ferraris were heavy for P2, and it wouldn't surprise me if other teams were going heavy as well.Derek Smith said:
Further, for a team that has amditted it is concentrating on next year's car, the increase in performance over the last few races is remarkable.
Not really. They've still been making incremental improvements to their car, especially in the aero department. With the competition so tight in the midfield, even one lucky "sweet spot" improvement will make your car seem awesome. Look at Toyota's surges earlier in the year, for example.Derek Smith said:
It would appear that far from being 20bhp down on other teams, the Renault engine, as fitted to the renault anyway, is the most powerful on the grid.
What chance of the FiA examining it? On a scale of 0 to 0.
You're reading far too much into this, I think.What chance of the FiA examining it? On a scale of 0 to 0.
Furthermore, Mosley doesn't like Flav. Bernie likes Flav, but not Mosley.
And engine examinations are done randomly.
Edited by Jungles on Friday 17th October 10:05
Sorry, Jungles, that will never do -
1) your points make sense, you are looking at the facts and drawing a conclusion - whereas on this forum we prefer to draw conclusions first and then select some facts to support them
2) you are completely ignoring the conspiracy theory - where everybody in the world is doing their best to ensure that Lewis is cheated out of his rightful place in world sporting history. Derek is the only person who can clearly see this and so it is his job, nay, his calling, to point it out to the rest of us whenever he spots something.
;-) nice one -
LOJO
1) your points make sense, you are looking at the facts and drawing a conclusion - whereas on this forum we prefer to draw conclusions first and then select some facts to support them
2) you are completely ignoring the conspiracy theory - where everybody in the world is doing their best to ensure that Lewis is cheated out of his rightful place in world sporting history. Derek is the only person who can clearly see this and so it is his job, nay, his calling, to point it out to the rest of us whenever he spots something.
;-) nice one -
LOJO
Bombjack said:
10 Pence Short said:
According to reports in the Telegraph this week, the recent engine gains Renault have had are down to work on the fuel with 'Elf', giving between 20 and 30bhp.
That's a lot of power from a fuel change, with the fuel being so tightly regulated already.10 Pence Short said:
Bombjack said:
10 Pence Short said:
According to reports in the Telegraph this week, the recent engine gains Renault have had are down to work on the fuel with 'Elf', giving between 20 and 30bhp.
That's a lot of power from a fuel change, with the fuel being so tightly regulated already.10 Pence Short said:
Considering it's one of the few areas of available improvement, it's not much of a shock. Especially if you express the change as a percentage.
We were told that 20-30HP was the difference between Torro Rosso and Red Bull (Ferrari versus Renault engine), and look at the performance differential that exists (existed?) there.Essentially, we're being told that performance gains that other manufacturers had to modify their engines to produce (the charade of reliability changes) have been wholly achieved with a ELF special brew? It could be true, I don't know, but it seems remarkable to me.
Bombjack said:
Essentially, we're being told that performance gains that other manufacturers had to modify their engines to produce (the charade of reliability changes) have been wholly achieved with a ELF special brew? It could be true, I don't know, but it seems remarkable to me.
pretty much spot on, Someone from Renault last week said that they had made changes in the reliability of the engine and it was signed off by all the teams, he then went onto say if performance gains were experienced that was a lucky side effect hence the extra speed coupled with the new aero tweaks there now doing rather well.10 Pence Short said:
A 2.5% power increase from fuel and system doesn't seem to be that extraordinary to me, if it was a neglected area in the past.
Errr, hardly !!HUGE sums are spent on developing fuels - F1 teams would never ignore a possible avenue of performance gain, especially if when they did look at something they 'found' 2.5% increase in power !!
Nick M said:
10 Pence Short said:
A 2.5% power increase from fuel and system doesn't seem to be that extraordinary to me, if it was a neglected area in the past.
Errr, hardly !!HUGE sums are spent on developing fuels - F1 teams would never ignore a possible avenue of performance gain, especially if when they did look at something they 'found' 2.5% increase in power !!
If the teams put equal efforts and resources into every part of the car, you wouldn't have the performance differences between the cars that you do.
rev-erend said:
Derek - I think you are right..
No surprise the Max M has ramped up the proposal to introduce the single engine manufacturer in F1..
Thanks. My suspicions were aroused, your worship, when I saw the timings in Japan. Whilst I accept there may have been one or two slight aerodynamic tweaks it does not explain the sudden speed the renaults, in the hands of both drivers, have obtained. And today's timings just reinforce the doubts. I also feel sure that McLaren and Ferrari might well have had a tweaking bout themselves. Strange that with all their money and wind tunnels it doesn't seem to have allowed them to keep the gap to the renault intact.No surprise the Max M has ramped up the proposal to introduce the single engine manufacturer in F1..
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