FIA announces standard engine tender
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AUTOSPORT said:
The FIA is to open the tender process for a standard engine in Formula One from 2010, in a move that could drive manufacturers away from the sport.
Mosley wrote to teams last week telling them that he was considering introducing standard engines as a way of driving down costs. It comes ahead of a team principals' meeting in Geneva next week to discuss urgent cost cuts.
It was widely believed that Mosley's threat was simply a way of forcing through other changes, because of the hugely controversial nature of stipulating manufacturers run a standard engine.
However, in a shock statement issued in Shanghai on Friday afternoon, the FIA announced that it was to open the tender for a standard supply of engines - suggesting the plan was going ahead.
The statement read: "The FIA will today open the tender process for the appointment of a third party supplier of engines and transmission systems to be used by competitors in the 2010, 2011 and 2012 FIA Formula One World Championship.
"The tender summary and requirements will be published on the FIA website shortly."
Manufacturers made it clear in Japan last week that they were against the move to a standard engine - and some suggested that they would withdraw from the sport if they were introduced.
McLaren F1 CEO Martin Whitmarsh said about the effect of a standard engine: "It does have a pretty big impact on Formula One – I imagine it would lead to quite a few of the engine manufacturers leaving the sport."
My money is on Ferrari winning the tender!Mosley wrote to teams last week telling them that he was considering introducing standard engines as a way of driving down costs. It comes ahead of a team principals' meeting in Geneva next week to discuss urgent cost cuts.
It was widely believed that Mosley's threat was simply a way of forcing through other changes, because of the hugely controversial nature of stipulating manufacturers run a standard engine.
However, in a shock statement issued in Shanghai on Friday afternoon, the FIA announced that it was to open the tender for a standard supply of engines - suggesting the plan was going ahead.
The statement read: "The FIA will today open the tender process for the appointment of a third party supplier of engines and transmission systems to be used by competitors in the 2010, 2011 and 2012 FIA Formula One World Championship.
"The tender summary and requirements will be published on the FIA website shortly."
Manufacturers made it clear in Japan last week that they were against the move to a standard engine - and some suggested that they would withdraw from the sport if they were introduced.
McLaren F1 CEO Martin Whitmarsh said about the effect of a standard engine: "It does have a pretty big impact on Formula One – I imagine it would lead to quite a few of the engine manufacturers leaving the sport."
Steve
stevesingo said:
AUTOSPORT said:
The FIA is to open the tender process for a standard engine in Formula One from 2010, in a move that could drive manufacturers away from the sport.
Mosley wrote to teams last week telling them that he was considering introducing standard engines as a way of driving down costs. It comes ahead of a team principals' meeting in Geneva next week to discuss urgent cost cuts.
It was widely believed that Mosley's threat was simply a way of forcing through other changes, because of the hugely controversial nature of stipulating manufacturers run a standard engine.
However, in a shock statement issued in Shanghai on Friday afternoon, the FIA announced that it was to open the tender for a standard supply of engines - suggesting the plan was going ahead.
The statement read: "The FIA will today open the tender process for the appointment of a third party supplier of engines and transmission systems to be used by competitors in the 2010, 2011 and 2012 FIA Formula One World Championship.
"The tender summary and requirements will be published on the FIA website shortly."
Manufacturers made it clear in Japan last week that they were against the move to a standard engine - and some suggested that they would withdraw from the sport if they were introduced.
McLaren F1 CEO Martin Whitmarsh said about the effect of a standard engine: "It does have a pretty big impact on Formula One – I imagine it would lead to quite a few of the engine manufacturers leaving the sport."
My money is on Ferrari winning the tender!Mosley wrote to teams last week telling them that he was considering introducing standard engines as a way of driving down costs. It comes ahead of a team principals' meeting in Geneva next week to discuss urgent cost cuts.
It was widely believed that Mosley's threat was simply a way of forcing through other changes, because of the hugely controversial nature of stipulating manufacturers run a standard engine.
However, in a shock statement issued in Shanghai on Friday afternoon, the FIA announced that it was to open the tender for a standard supply of engines - suggesting the plan was going ahead.
The statement read: "The FIA will today open the tender process for the appointment of a third party supplier of engines and transmission systems to be used by competitors in the 2010, 2011 and 2012 FIA Formula One World Championship.
"The tender summary and requirements will be published on the FIA website shortly."
Manufacturers made it clear in Japan last week that they were against the move to a standard engine - and some suggested that they would withdraw from the sport if they were introduced.
McLaren F1 CEO Martin Whitmarsh said about the effect of a standard engine: "It does have a pretty big impact on Formula One – I imagine it would lead to quite a few of the engine manufacturers leaving the sport."
Steve
Will be interesting to see what the specs are in the tender document.
Lets hope and pray that this does happen.
Because everyone else can leave F1 and form their own race series and leave Ferrari and the FIA to have what they want anyway, 22 red cars on the grid. Moseley and Ecclestone can run it and it will play out to empty stands on Motors TV for a couple of years before Ferrari come back cap in hand begging to join the other series.
Thats my take anyway.
Because everyone else can leave F1 and form their own race series and leave Ferrari and the FIA to have what they want anyway, 22 red cars on the grid. Moseley and Ecclestone can run it and it will play out to empty stands on Motors TV for a couple of years before Ferrari come back cap in hand begging to join the other series.
Thats my take anyway.
The attraction of F1 is, surely, that it is Grand Prix racing. The specification of F1, the rules, have changed over the years and there is little in common with cars of the 50s and cars of 2008. But it is still GP because it is the pinnacle of engineering with the fastest drivers.
If the manufacturers leave, and surely they must, then they might well concentrate on their own series, to be run outside the control of Mosley. How about an international salon car series run on the DTM format? Whilst I like open-wheelers, if the money is there, if the engineering is there, if the fastest drivers are there, then I’d change formula without a second’s thought if it was the best.
Support for the WSC has come and gone suffering, as it always has done, in competition with F1 as money leaked away with the sponsors. However, if you were a sponsor, would you perhaps opt for a European based series running on tracks in the EEC, Canada, the USA and say Australia and Japan or for F1, mired in scandal and sand dunes? If the manufacturers drag the sponsors away from F1 and onto the side of sports cars, then F1 will be dead.
If the manufacturers leave, and surely they must, then they might well concentrate on their own series, to be run outside the control of Mosley. How about an international salon car series run on the DTM format? Whilst I like open-wheelers, if the money is there, if the engineering is there, if the fastest drivers are there, then I’d change formula without a second’s thought if it was the best.
Support for the WSC has come and gone suffering, as it always has done, in competition with F1 as money leaked away with the sponsors. However, if you were a sponsor, would you perhaps opt for a European based series running on tracks in the EEC, Canada, the USA and say Australia and Japan or for F1, mired in scandal and sand dunes? If the manufacturers drag the sponsors away from F1 and onto the side of sports cars, then F1 will be dead.
They have clarified this as being that manufacturers are able to make their own engines but there'll also be a tender for standard engine supply..
What exactly is the point? It's not really different to what we have now where privateers can buy engines from a manufacturer. Except in the future the FIA will be controlling who can sell, who gets and how much horsepower of the standard engines...
What exactly is the point? It's not really different to what we have now where privateers can buy engines from a manufacturer. Except in the future the FIA will be controlling who can sell, who gets and how much horsepower of the standard engines...
Edited by zac510 on Friday 17th October 09:44
Derek Smith said:
The attraction of F1 is, surely, that it is Grand Prix racing. The specification of F1, the rules, have changed over the years and there is little in common with cars of the 50s and cars of 2008. But it is still GP because it is the pinnacle of engineering with the fastest drivers.
If the manufacturers leave, and surely they must, then they might well concentrate on their own series, to be run outside the control of Mosley. How about an international salon car series run on the DTM format? Whilst I like open-wheelers, if the money is there, if the engineering is there, if the fastest drivers are there, then I’d change formula without a second’s thought if it was the best.
Support for the WSC has come and gone suffering, as it always has done, in competition with F1 as money leaked away with the sponsors. However, if you were a sponsor, would you perhaps opt for a European based series running on tracks in the EEC, Canada, the USA and say Australia and Japan or for F1, mired in scandal and sand dunes? If the manufacturers drag the sponsors away from F1 and onto the side of sports cars, then F1 will be dead.
Mark Hughes article in Autosport says it all really. Spec formula = death of F1.If the manufacturers leave, and surely they must, then they might well concentrate on their own series, to be run outside the control of Mosley. How about an international salon car series run on the DTM format? Whilst I like open-wheelers, if the money is there, if the engineering is there, if the fastest drivers are there, then I’d change formula without a second’s thought if it was the best.
Support for the WSC has come and gone suffering, as it always has done, in competition with F1 as money leaked away with the sponsors. However, if you were a sponsor, would you perhaps opt for a European based series running on tracks in the EEC, Canada, the USA and say Australia and Japan or for F1, mired in scandal and sand dunes? If the manufacturers drag the sponsors away from F1 and onto the side of sports cars, then F1 will be dead.
We had the tin-top series run to DTM rules a few years ago - the ITC. A bunch of fickle manufacturers came in and had a few good seasons before pulling out one by one and leaving just Audi and Mercedes in a domestic German series.
Similarly Le Mans has had it's share of manufacturer support when the rules favoured certain types of car rather than out and out prototypes. But again, they came and went because there isn't the exposure relative to how much they'd have to spend to compete against Audi and Peugeot.
Sadly (yes, bear with me...), F1 will always have its followers and fans despite all attempts to bugger it up with rule changes designed to limit costs or allow a performance gap between cars. I say sadly because in some ways it needs to die and be re-born as a leaner more competitive series with less regulation and money sloshing around. Moto GP for cars would be the best comparison I could make, where budgets are vaguely sensible, technology and engineering is allowed and the racing is top drawer.
But how on earth we get there is anyones' guess
Vesuvius 996 said:
Martin Whitmarsh said:
I imagine it would lead to quite a few of the engine manufacturers leaving the sport.
I can see why they gave you the job.
Tit.
Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Friday 17th October 09:29
People like Williams could stay, as they buy engines in already. People like Toyota, Honda, BMW etc, who are self sufficient would withdraw.
VladD said:
Vesuvius 996 said:
Martin Whitmarsh said:
I imagine it would lead to quite a few of the engine manufacturers leaving the sport.
I can see why they gave you the job.
Tit.
Edited by Vesuvius 996 on Friday 17th October 09:29
People like Williams could stay, as they buy engines in already. People like Toyota, Honda, BMW etc, who are self sufficient would withdraw.
I am surprised the teams and manufacturers haven't already just f
ked off and started their own series without all the bullst rules etc. I would love to see the utter pinnacle of engineering without the petty stupidity and farce it is now. Can;t afford to race a team? tough! Its almost like having fat munters doing catwalk shows for chanel!
ked off and started their own series without all the bullst rules etc. I would love to see the utter pinnacle of engineering without the petty stupidity and farce it is now. Can;t afford to race a team? tough! Its almost like having fat munters doing catwalk shows for chanel!there is now a clarification from the FIA that says they will be able to build their own engines
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71459
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71459
JeremyK said:
there is now a clarification from the FIA that says they will be able to build their own engines
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71459
Although reading that 'clarification', why would they bother ? Other than to ensure there was no possible risk of tampering or manipulation of engines by Ferrari, sorry, 'the provider'....http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71459
So costs don't go down and paranoia about engine power outputs remains sky high - nice one FIA !!!
That Mosley has announced the tender process does not necessarily mean he FIA will go through with it. Until a contract is awarded, the FIA has no legal obligation to the successful tenderer.
Mosley regularly gets pee-ed off with the teams failing to come up with cost-cutting measures of their own. This could be his bette-noir either to ensure they do or to ensure they agree to less radical measures.
If it goes through, I agree it will definitely lead to most of the motor giants leaving but that is not necessarily a bad thing.
Mosley regularly gets pee-ed off with the teams failing to come up with cost-cutting measures of their own. This could be his bette-noir either to ensure they do or to ensure they agree to less radical measures.
If it goes through, I agree it will definitely lead to most of the motor giants leaving but that is not necessarily a bad thing.
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