Hamiltons rivals asked if they are jealous???
Discussion
At the press conference before this weekends GP Kimi, Kubica and Alonso were asked if they were jealous of Hamilton’s success, according to reports it took about 20 seconds for them to compose themselves before they were able to answer, Lewis apparently looked on with a sly grin.
What does this say about the drivers in F1 at the moment?
In another article Mark Webber was quoted as saying that Lewis was on the verge of "killing" someone because of his driving style.
What is wrong with these guys? At the moment they drive what are probably the safest race cars in the world as born out by the fact that no one has died behind the wheel for well over ten years I think.
In the very recent past they have complained that the modern F1 car has made it very difficult to overtake but Lewis has blown that misconception out of the water.
They complain about his driving style as being too aggressive, but is that not what it is surpossed to be. These guys are meant to be the best in the world but they seem unable to cope with someone who is unwilling to let the status quoi continue, so they have descended in to petty back biting to cover up their own failings.
Mark's comment just sounds like someone who's has been in F1 for too long with little success. I think he feels that with a better car he could be challenging for the WDC, at the end of the day he is just sounding bitter and twisted.
Trullie has also said that he felt Lewis did not show him any respect in the last GP when he was leading for a short period, for goodness sake, get over yourself. Why does he have show respect, they are racing. Respect is for after the race.
I feel the current crop of drivers have had it too easy. Back in the day it was common for at least one driver to lose his life during a season and as much as I don’t want to see a return to those times the current drivers sound like a bunch of wimps.
The F1 championship should be a duel between gladiators, with no quarter given. The races should be hard and aggressive with people willing to make a do or die move because they are unwilling to take second best. And at the end of the race they should shake each others hands and congratulate each other on a hard fought race.
For inspiration they should turn to the great air aces of world war one. These guys were gentleman who fought great battles where the loser new he was not going home, but they had the upmost respect for each other and if given the chance would have sat down at a bar and had a drink with each other before returning to the sky's to shot the hell out of each other.
I think someone now has to take the high ground and show these guys up for what they are, and at the moment I think Hamilton is the one guy in the right position to do that.
Hamilton has a number of faults but at the end of the day I feel he is probably the one true racer of the bunch, but that is only my opinion, I know others would disagree.
What does this say about the drivers in F1 at the moment?
In another article Mark Webber was quoted as saying that Lewis was on the verge of "killing" someone because of his driving style.
What is wrong with these guys? At the moment they drive what are probably the safest race cars in the world as born out by the fact that no one has died behind the wheel for well over ten years I think.
In the very recent past they have complained that the modern F1 car has made it very difficult to overtake but Lewis has blown that misconception out of the water.
They complain about his driving style as being too aggressive, but is that not what it is surpossed to be. These guys are meant to be the best in the world but they seem unable to cope with someone who is unwilling to let the status quoi continue, so they have descended in to petty back biting to cover up their own failings.
Mark's comment just sounds like someone who's has been in F1 for too long with little success. I think he feels that with a better car he could be challenging for the WDC, at the end of the day he is just sounding bitter and twisted.
Trullie has also said that he felt Lewis did not show him any respect in the last GP when he was leading for a short period, for goodness sake, get over yourself. Why does he have show respect, they are racing. Respect is for after the race.
I feel the current crop of drivers have had it too easy. Back in the day it was common for at least one driver to lose his life during a season and as much as I don’t want to see a return to those times the current drivers sound like a bunch of wimps.
The F1 championship should be a duel between gladiators, with no quarter given. The races should be hard and aggressive with people willing to make a do or die move because they are unwilling to take second best. And at the end of the race they should shake each others hands and congratulate each other on a hard fought race.
For inspiration they should turn to the great air aces of world war one. These guys were gentleman who fought great battles where the loser new he was not going home, but they had the upmost respect for each other and if given the chance would have sat down at a bar and had a drink with each other before returning to the sky's to shot the hell out of each other.
I think someone now has to take the high ground and show these guys up for what they are, and at the moment I think Hamilton is the one guy in the right position to do that.
Hamilton has a number of faults but at the end of the day I feel he is probably the one true racer of the bunch, but that is only my opinion, I know others would disagree.
But where is the line?
Sato did some amazing overtaking manoeuvres during his time at Honda yet was criticised by most for some of the positions/points he would throw away doing something silly. In the end this costed him his seat. There was never any doubt he was fast on his day though...
I find it interesting that when LH does something similar (I admit he also wins races where the main distinction between my two examples is) it is simply called 'racing'.
If we take turn 1 at Fuji as an example, that wasn't racing - that was being downright stupid. If you're another driver on track and you see someone flying through the pack with no hope of getting round the corner, I think you'd be within your rights to say that that is dangerous. I'm sure if someone did that at club level they'd be very unpopular.
Sato did some amazing overtaking manoeuvres during his time at Honda yet was criticised by most for some of the positions/points he would throw away doing something silly. In the end this costed him his seat. There was never any doubt he was fast on his day though...
I find it interesting that when LH does something similar (I admit he also wins races where the main distinction between my two examples is) it is simply called 'racing'.
If we take turn 1 at Fuji as an example, that wasn't racing - that was being downright stupid. If you're another driver on track and you see someone flying through the pack with no hope of getting round the corner, I think you'd be within your rights to say that that is dangerous. I'm sure if someone did that at club level they'd be very unpopular.
brayash said:
But where is the line?
Sato did some amazing overtaking manoeuvres during his time at Honda yet was criticised by most for some of the positions/points he would throw away doing something silly. In the end this costed him his seat. There was never any doubt he was fast on his day though...
I find it interesting that when LH does something similar (I admit he also wins races where the main distinction between my two examples is) it is simply called 'racing'.
If we take turn 1 at Fuji as an example, that wasn't racing - that was being downright stupid. If you're another driver on track and you see someone flying through the pack with no hope of getting round the corner, I think you'd be within your rights to say that that is dangerous. I'm sure if someone did that at club level they'd be very unpopular.
Sato used to crash. A lot. Sato did some amazing overtaking manoeuvres during his time at Honda yet was criticised by most for some of the positions/points he would throw away doing something silly. In the end this costed him his seat. There was never any doubt he was fast on his day though...
I find it interesting that when LH does something similar (I admit he also wins races where the main distinction between my two examples is) it is simply called 'racing'.
If we take turn 1 at Fuji as an example, that wasn't racing - that was being downright stupid. If you're another driver on track and you see someone flying through the pack with no hope of getting round the corner, I think you'd be within your rights to say that that is dangerous. I'm sure if someone did that at club level they'd be very unpopular.
brayash said:
But where is the line?
Sato did some amazing overtaking manoeuvres during his time at Honda yet was criticised by most for some of the positions/points he would throw away doing something silly. In the end this costed him his seat. There was never any doubt he was fast on his day though...
Sato was not outperforming his team mate.Sato did some amazing overtaking manoeuvres during his time at Honda yet was criticised by most for some of the positions/points he would throw away doing something silly. In the end this costed him his seat. There was never any doubt he was fast on his day though...
brayash said:
I find it interesting that when LH does something similar (I admit he also wins races where the main distinction between my two examples is) it is simply called 'racing'.
If we take turn 1 at Fuji as an example, that wasn't racing - that was being downright stupid. If you're another driver on track and you see someone flying through the pack with no hope of getting round the corner, I think you'd be within your rights to say that that is dangerous. I'm sure if someone did that at club level they'd be very unpopular.
Almost everyone outbraked themselves into T1 at Japan. No driver does that deiberately - they all want to finish, so make a calcualted decision based on many factors. It may well add to the risk, but it's certianly not "stupid".If we take turn 1 at Fuji as an example, that wasn't racing - that was being downright stupid. If you're another driver on track and you see someone flying through the pack with no hope of getting round the corner, I think you'd be within your rights to say that that is dangerous. I'm sure if someone did that at club level they'd be very unpopular.
brayash said:
If we take turn 1 at Fuji as an example, that wasn't racing - that was being downright stupid. If you're another driver on track and you see someone flying through the pack with no hope of getting round the corner, I think you'd be within your rights to say that that is dangerous. I'm sure if someone did that at club level they'd be very unpopular.
But several drivers did the same thing in turn 1 at Fuji, but only Lewis gets flack for it.Technically speaking, none of the drivers are jealous of Lewis, though several are obviously very envious.
Bombjack said:
It's just my opinion, but right now I think Massa is the most dangerous driver out there. He's an instinctively neat driver who's been told he must be aggressive and is driving erratically because of it.
I get the impression he's a driver who is fundamentally quick, but who has to be convinced that he can do a particular time. It has to be coaxed out of him rather than it being easy.Nothing wrong with that because he's clearly got a lot of good support from Smedley and the rest of the team and it's working for him, but it does seem as if he has less margin for error and I suspect he would struggle to drive around a problem with the car in the way that Hamilton seems able to.
By the same token, Hamilton's ability to drive around a problem may hamper the overall development process of the car because he may not be able to so accurately help identify what effect a particular change they make to the car has on his laptime.
Either way, in a straight fight, both approaches work for each of the drivers, so I'd love to seem them duke it out at the front of the field on Sunday, with no interference from other cars, stewards or the weather.
dare i say it - its going the way of football! Oh ref, that nancy boy nudged my ankle and i fell over - BLURRAHAHAHAH!!
how long before people drive themselves off wide to try and cheat there way into getting somene else a penalty!
OI, nancy - get in the car and give it stacks - you soft muppets
how long before people drive themselves off wide to try and cheat there way into getting somene else a penalty!
OI, nancy - get in the car and give it stacks - you soft muppets
Nick M said:
Bombjack said:
It's just my opinion, but right now I think Massa is the most dangerous driver out there. He's an instinctively neat driver who's been told he must be aggressive and is driving erratically because of it.
I get the impression he's a driver who is fundamentally quick, but who has to be convinced that he can do a particular time. It has to be coaxed out of him rather than it being easy.Nothing wrong with that because he's clearly got a lot of good support from Smedley and the rest of the team and it's working for him, but it does seem as if he has less margin for error and I suspect he would struggle to drive around a problem with the car in the way that Hamilton seems able to.
By the same token, Hamilton's ability to drive around a problem may hamper the overall development process of the car because he may not be able to so accurately help identify what effect a particular change they make to the car has on his laptime.
Either way, in a straight fight, both approaches work for each of the drivers, so I'd love to seem them duke it out at the front of the field on Sunday, with no interference from other cars, stewards or the weather.
VladD said:
As has been said already, Lewis is agressive and like a car that moves around. Massa is smoother and less agressive. I think that all the talk of Massa being a bit of a pushover to overtake etc (not helped by Lewis' comments) have made Massa adopt a style that he's not comfortable with. He now tries manouvres like he did in Japan, because he fears that if he doesn't he'll get critisised after the race.
Exactly my thinking too.jacobyte said:
Almost everyone outbraked themselves into T1 at Japan. No driver does that deiberately - they all want to finish, so make a calcualted decision based on many factors. It may well add to the risk, but it's certianly not "stupid".
But is this not the point? Is it not virtually universally accepted that some of the risks that LH takes are indeed not particularly calculated?This isn't me having a go a LH per se, more defending the driver's right to their opinion. Hence me using Sato as an example where he was criticised by all. Yes, he did crash alot. But as per my first post - he also pulled off some fantastic moves. He was praised initially until his 'accidents' became more frequent, but then it was never a question of it being 'racing' anymore. There were also few cries of "finally a driver with some balls". It still just reeks a bit of double standards to me.
The same goes for Massa at Fuji. Many people on this site have criticised his move on Webber (though admitted to it being fun to watch). Can we all honestly say that if it had been LH people would have been equally critical?
I'm trying to be neutral here, as it seems to be all to common on GM to be either a 'fan-boy' or a 'hater'...
I'm a Lewis fan, but one has to question whether some of his moves are a bit 'optimistic'
Fuji is a prime example - it smacked of pig-headed not-wanting-to-be-overtaken-ness rather than the usual finesse we see.
Spa was just racing, there should be no penalty for that.
It's a toughie for McLaren to sort out - you don't want to lose that competitiveness and speed which makes him the driver he is.
I liken him to Colin McRae. Fast, but a bit silly sometimes. And as Dave Richards said, it's better to have someone very fast and try to calm them down a bit than have someone already calm but slow
Fuji is a prime example - it smacked of pig-headed not-wanting-to-be-overtaken-ness rather than the usual finesse we see.
Spa was just racing, there should be no penalty for that.
It's a toughie for McLaren to sort out - you don't want to lose that competitiveness and speed which makes him the driver he is.
I liken him to Colin McRae. Fast, but a bit silly sometimes. And as Dave Richards said, it's better to have someone very fast and try to calm them down a bit than have someone already calm but slow
Lewis -
"It's a shame they all think that way, but my driving is why I'm here and why I'm leading the championship, so I'm not disappointed with the way I drive.
"I do my talking on the track. If other people want to expend their energy thinking about it (the way I drive), that's for them."
"It's a shame they all think that way, but my driving is why I'm here and why I'm leading the championship, so I'm not disappointed with the way I drive.
"I do my talking on the track. If other people want to expend their energy thinking about it (the way I drive), that's for them."
Wanta996Gotta said:
Lewis -
"It's a shame they all think that way, but my driving is why I'm here and why I'm leading the championship, so I'm not disappointed with the way I drive.
"I do my talking on the track. If other people want to expend their energy thinking about it (the way I drive), that's for them."
"I do my talking on the track." - Nicely said, Go on Lewis!!"It's a shame they all think that way, but my driving is why I'm here and why I'm leading the championship, so I'm not disappointed with the way I drive.
"I do my talking on the track. If other people want to expend their energy thinking about it (the way I drive), that's for them."
brayash said:
The same goes for Massa at Fuji. Many people on this site have criticised his move on Webber (though admitted to it being fun to watch). Can we all honestly say that if it had been LH people would have been equally critical?
I'm trying to be neutral here, as it seems to be all to common on GM to be either a 'fan-boy' or a 'hater'...
I'm openly a McLaren fan, but I thought Massa's move on Webber was excellent. I think it's the stewards that have caused the problem. The perception that decisions go against McLaren and for Ferrari causes over-reaction. It isn't Massa that makes the calls and yet people will be against him because of the actions others. Yes, he's part of the Ferrari team etc, but Massa himself is just doing what he's paid to do (apart from the odd stupid comment).I'm trying to be neutral here, as it seems to be all to common on GM to be either a 'fan-boy' or a 'hater'...
And before Ferrari supporters tell me that Lewis makes stupid comments too, I know he does.
Edited by VladD on Friday 17th October 12:09
I find him a little hot headed, i.e. "Ooops, I mucked the start up so I must dive down the inside like a Banzai dive bombing fighter pilot" when sometimes a carefully chosen manouvre may be the more 'experienced' option.
But his 'Go for it' instincts are what make him exciting to watch so you can't have your cake and eat it as a fan. It's another frustrating year as a viewer but I hope he can piece his championship together because to win it in this climate is a real victory, both to Ferrari and the FIA!
But his 'Go for it' instincts are what make him exciting to watch so you can't have your cake and eat it as a fan. It's another frustrating year as a viewer but I hope he can piece his championship together because to win it in this climate is a real victory, both to Ferrari and the FIA!
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