If a private school is a reg'd charity, is there tax relief
If a private school is a reg'd charity, is there tax relief
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johnfm

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13,751 posts

280 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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..on school fees?

Why can't I set up a Gift Aid account to pay my kid's school fees from gross income? The school is a registered charity - so what's the catch?

blindswelledrat

25,257 posts

262 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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Good point

Eric Mc

125,717 posts

295 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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Gift AId relates to Charitable Donations.

Is the school fee you pay a donation or a fee for services provided?

minimax

11,985 posts

286 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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you can do, my boss pays his childrens school fees by way of a donation smile

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

272 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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minimax said:
you can do, my boss pays his childrens school fees by way of a donation smile
EA, right?

johnfm

Original Poster:

13,751 posts

280 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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Eric Mc said:
Gift AId relates to Charitable Donations.

Is the school fee you pay a donation or a fee for services provided?
I am specifically referring to fees.

I can see why the HMRC would take a dim view, but if it is within the rules..


chris_w666

22,655 posts

229 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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Charitable status will be for the fundraising element of the school. A lot of grants and funds are much easier to get if you are a charity.

The fees will probably go into a business account so being ineligible for gift aid.



minimax

11,985 posts

286 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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Justayellowbadge said:
minimax said:
you can do, my boss pays his childrens school fees by way of a donation smile
EA, right?
er..

dunno?

the school is in Hampton Court, and he's an MRICS surveyor rather than an EA (if that's what you were getting at) biggrin

Daniel1

2,931 posts

228 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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i know certain banks honour cheques to charities, good way of paying the fees if you dont mind the banks getting pissed at you

Eric Mc

125,717 posts

295 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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Payment of school fees would not normally be considered as charitable donations and therefore would not be eligible for payment under the Gift Aid rules. The definition of a "donation" or a "gift" is that the payee hands over the money or money's worth with no expectation of a direct benefit for himself or his family.

Obviously, charities will sometimes encourage people to pay as much as they can to them through the Gift Aid (or Deed of Covenant) system and as long as they are reasonable about the portion and nature of the payments considered to be a genuine donation, the Revenue will by and large accept the situation. That is why many museums often ask people to make a "donation" as they enter rather than pay an entrance fee.

The Frog Gobbler

2,093 posts

271 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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If only...3 kids in private school.

You can't claim gift aid or a tax rebate if you're getting something in return, even if it's only a lottery ticket.

johnfm

Original Poster:

13,751 posts

280 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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I see a business opportunity here!

We create a school fees matching service.

Person A has school fees of £11k pa

Person B has school fees of £9k pa

Person A makes gift aid donation to Person B's school.

Person B makes gift aid donation to person A's school.

No personal benefit or connection.

Technology wise - no different matching bets a la Betfair really.

So, Feefair.com.

Who is with me?

zcacogp

11,239 posts

274 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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As usual, Eric is right.

If you are receiving services from a charity, you cannot pay for them by means of a gift. I expect this applies (as confirmed by Eric) to services recieved for members of your family.

Such services need to be paid for, in the usual way, and that cannot be made tax-exempt.


Oli.

Mr Trophy

6,811 posts

233 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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How much are the fees per year?

SirTainly

904 posts

241 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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johnfm said:
I see a business opportunity here!

We create a school fees matching service.

Person A has school fees of £11k pa

Person B has school fees of £9k pa

Person A makes gift aid donation to Person B's school.

Person B makes gift aid donation to person A's school.

No personal benefit or connection.

Technology wise - no different matching bets a la Betfair really.

So, Feefair.com.

Who is with me?
hmmm 9 != 11, I think your business plan needs work.

Mc Lovin

5,588 posts

251 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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johnfm said:
I see a business opportunity here!

We create a school fees matching service.

Person A has school fees of £11k pa

Person B has school fees of £9k pa

Person A makes gift aid donation to Person B's school.

Person B makes gift aid donation to person A's school.

No personal benefit or connection.

Technology wise - no different matching bets a la Betfair really.

So, Feefair.com.

Who is with me?
I like your thinking, im in, £20 for a 80% share in your business

SirTainly

904 posts

241 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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Mc Lovin said:
I like your thinking, im in, £20 for a 80% share in your business
You are Evan Davis AICMFP (for which you'll want an 80% share of my takings no doubt)

Mc Lovin

5,588 posts

251 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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SirTainly said:
Mc Lovin said:
I like your thinking, im in, £20 for a 80% share in your business
You are Evan Davis AICMFP (for which you'll want an 80% share of my takings no doubt)
I also like your thinking, but i'll have 95% of your takings.

SirTainly

904 posts

241 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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Mc Lovin said:
SirTainly said:
Mc Lovin said:
I like your thinking, im in, £20 for a 80% share in your business
You are Evan Davis AICMFP (for which you'll want an 80% share of my takings no doubt)
I also like your thinking, but i'll have 95% of your takings.
Excellent, I made a loss, cough up! wink

Mc Lovin

5,588 posts

251 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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SirTainly said:
Mc Lovin said:
SirTainly said:
Mc Lovin said:
I like your thinking, im in, £20 for a 80% share in your business
You are Evan Davis AICMFP (for which you'll want an 80% share of my takings no doubt)
I also like your thinking, but i'll have 95% of your takings.
Excellent, I made a loss, cough up! wink
If you have not received your winnings yet, i'll add interest hehe