Limehouse Tunnel crash figures..

[Hedders]

I am sure most of you have heard about the new digital speed cameras in the Limehouse tunnel in london?

The governments own figures state that 98% of all cars that were using the tunnel were speeding.

There have been 14 accidents that caused death or injury in the last 3 years. There have been 80,000 cars speeding through through the tunnel everyday.

So in 3 years, approx 84000000 people have sped through the the tunnel and in the process 14 of them have been involved in an accident.

That suggests that your chances are six million to one of getting in an accident if you were speeding in that particular 'accident blackspot'! I am assuming that not a single pedestrian was injured in those three years.

Does a duel carriageway with a safety record like like that really require to have cameras installed and a 30 mph limit enforced???

Its a joke if you ask me....

>>> Edited by Hedders on Thursday 2nd October 12:49

[206xsi]

Good work Hedders!

[206xsi]

Except on 2nd reading - how many of these accidents were due to speeding? It doesn't state.

So assuming even a stonkingly generous 50% were due to speeding (and not lorries losing control...) that would give the same odds of winning the lottery as dying while speeding in the tunnel

[Pies]

Quite a few of those figures will be due to to joyriders, i remen=mber reading about 2 joyriders that died there not to long back.

[scotti]

206xsi said:

So assuming even a stonkingly generous 50% were due to speeding (and not lorries losing control...) that would give the same odds of winning the lottery as dying while speeding in the tunnel

Only having an accident not even dying

[pdV6]

Hmmm. How about using the government's 1/3 statistic?

Veeeeeery long odds.

[Potts]

As a local resident, I concur TOTALLY with the above view. And when/if anyone finds the death stats, don't forget the 6 kids who ALL died in the tunnel. They were driving a stolen car at north of 100mph which was obviously overloaded (it was a Honda hatchback from memory) and the driver clearly didn't know that you lose traction over the brow of tunnel entrance.

Much as I sympathise with the relatives of these kids, speed cameras wouldn't have made any difference.

I would further like to point out that, in 4 years of living with a mile of the tunnel, I've yet to see or hear of any accidents.

[Hedders]

So, if we take out those six kids, and generously estimate that 50% of the remainder of incidents were speed related.

We are looking at five accidents out of 84 million speeders.

or something like that ....

[sidekick]

Ah, but please don't lose sight of what it is that the gov't is really kicking itself about...and it's not the KSI stats (let's be totally honest, do a bunch of politicians really give a flying fk about people dying? NO THEY DON'T otherwise they'd do something about the state of the NHS).
No, the real shame as far as they're concerned is the 29,200,000 speeders x £60 = £1.752 Bn per annum revenue they've been missing out on to date!

[Hedders]

Just saw on the news that the car load of kids that died, did so three years ago. No doubt that is why the government figures take into account the last three years.

If they had only taken the last two years figures it would have been even less impressive.

[206xsi]

Hedders said:

Just saw on the news that the car load of kids that died, did so three years ago. No doubt that is why the government figures take into account the last three years. If they had only taken the last two years figures it would have been even less impressive.

Standard practice for scamerships/government is to quote the last 3 years for KSI incidents. In order to 'justify' a camera placement there should have been 2 KSIs in the past 3 years (ie one crash killing/injurying 2 people).

[Nightmare]

hmm...read this thread yesterday and totally agreed with it. Then I watched the news last night and saw the bit about the tunnel (which basically said 'stupid people who were going too fast for their own abilities have crashed here at silly speeds'). but it did make me think.....

assuming that ALL the deaths have been casued by innapropriate speed, the camera will stop them all - therefore its justifiable?! What's the possible counter argument?

[streaky]

Nightmare said:

hmm...read this thread yesterday and totally agreed with it. Then I watched the news last night and saw the bit about the tunnel (which basically said 'stupid people who were going too fast for their own abilities have crashed here at silly speeds'). but it did make me think..... assuming that ALL the deaths have been casued by innapropriate speed, the camera will stop them all - therefore its justifiable?! What's the possible counter argument?

"Research from the Home Office and the Transport Research Laboratory showing that criminals are more likely to commit driving offences than law-abiding citizens." Joyriders are by most definitions driving someone else's car, so (a) they don't give a flying fk for speed cameras and (b) are in it for the speed anyway! Cameras catch honest, predominately law-adiding citizens who pay their taxes (income, council, VAT, road fund, fuel duty, etc.) and pay their fines for a few pmh over the posted limit. They do nothing to stop the real idiots - Streaky

[Nightmare]

excellent counter..... hands up who thinks that in 12 months time the govt group will publish open and honset figures showing

no. of speeders caught
revenue raised
accident rate decreases??

hmm......un autre porcine aviateur just went by.....

[Hedders]

206xsi said:

Standard practice for scamerships/government is to quote the last 3 years for KSI incidents. In order to 'justify' a camera placement there should have been 2 KSIs in the past 3 years (ie one crash killing/injurying 2 people).

Ok, I stand corrected. it is convenient though...

Nightmare said:

excellent counter..... hands up who thinks that in 12 months time the govt group will publish open and honset figures showing no. of speeders caught revenue raised accident rate decreases?? hmm......un autre porcine aviateur just went by.....

No doubt they will twist the figures however they want. In the mean time, the real criminals will be driving around in old shitheaps with no insurance and fake plates.

[hertsbiker]

funny. The LHLT is one of the most fun bits of road ever. Also very safe - almost text book safe. One way, under cover so dry (except when the drains flood!), wide, and a good consistant surface.

And yet.... a few idiot "joy riders" (joy? what a sick phrase) crash. So what? why not stop them nicking the car and maybe it wouldn't have been a problem.

And 30mph is WAY TOO SLOW for the tunnel. It is perfectly safe at 60 in a normal car. So once again the many are punished for the deaths of the few.

Stuff this country. Fake plates here we come.