Biggest Engine in an Ultima?
Biggest Engine in an Ultima?
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JenkinsComp

Original Poster:

918 posts

276 months

Thursday 2nd October 2003
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Anyone fitted a Big Block to an Ultima yet?

If not, what's the biggest capacity engine to have been used?

Boosted LS1

21,200 posts

289 months

Thursday 2nd October 2003
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Why would you want to? Aren't the heavy as well as big?

Steve_D

13,801 posts

287 months

Thursday 2nd October 2003
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I don't believe the BBC will fit.

It's the wrong engine for an Ultima. It develops lots of torque but the light weight of the car needs BHP at higher revs.

Mine will be 6666cc or 406.8ci.
Steve

unlicensedadora

7,585 posts

279 months

Thursday 2nd October 2003
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but just think of how good a 700bhp big block would sound

eclipsar

112 posts

281 months

Friday 3rd October 2003
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427ci 7Ltr

Have not fitted yet but will be in about a week

Chris

GTR-TT

442 posts

287 months

Friday 3rd October 2003
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unlicensedadora said:
but just think of how good a 700bhp big block would sound


Why big block?? I guess my 5.1 liter 1000+ HP V8 will sound good enough when I rev 10500!! and with a wheight of 150 kg it will KILL

pashby

66 posts

285 months

Friday 3rd October 2003
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American Speed show 427ci as an option for their range of Ultima engines. Looks like a small block to me. But I could be wrong!!

eclipsar

112 posts

281 months

Friday 3rd October 2003
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Its a small block thats where my engine came from.

Chris

JenkinsComp

Original Poster:

918 posts

276 months

Friday 3rd October 2003
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The latest all alloy Chevy Small Block LS1 has been stretched to 427 cubes for the C5R and makes 650bhp(can be bought as a long engine direct from GM) but other aftermarket builders have taken it out to 450 ci (approx 7.4 litres)

But you can get Big Blocks made of aluminium from a variety of builders, which goes some way to offsetting the weight disadvantage over a small block.

A big block of a given displacement when measured against a bored & stroked small block of the same capacity shows better power and torque due to the larger heads / valve size / heat dissipation. This is why they can be a better choice, depending on the application of course.

Anyway I was just wondering who had the biggest capacity V8 in an Ultima.

So who has the most powerful? GTR-TT sounds like you may be up for that honour!

unlicensed

7,585 posts

279 months

Friday 3rd October 2003
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GTR-TT said:

unlicensedadora said:
but just think of how good a 700bhp big block would sound



Why big block?? I guess my 5.1 liter 1000+ HP V8 will sound good enough when I rev 10500!! and with a wheight of 150 kg it will KILL




1000+ hp........ holy u gotta let me go for a ride sometime

ultimalover

96 posts

289 months

Friday 3rd October 2003
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GTR-TT said:

unlicensedadora said:
but just think of how good a 700bhp big block would sound



Why big block?? I guess my 5.1 liter 1000+ HP V8 will sound good enough when I rev 10500!! and with a wheight of 150 kg it will KILL


Holy cow, 10,500 rpms? Good grief!!! That sounds like a fantastic engine setup. What kind of engine are you using and how can I get the same setup when I build an Ultima? Did you custom build it yourself or did you order it?

jschwartz

836 posts

287 months

Friday 3rd October 2003
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Kurt Dobson in Salt Lake City has GTR with a TT Gen 1 sbc putting out 1200 bhp.
There's a guy in Pennsylvania putting an alloy 632 cid big block in his GTR factory built roller.
Why is it all the especially cool GTR's are yellow?
www.summitracing.com and www.jegs.com have a Hardcore 454 small block for $10000.

srreck

529 posts

290 months

Friday 3rd October 2003
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jschwartz said:
Kurt Dobson in Salt Lake City has GTR with a TT Gen 1 sbc putting out 1200 bhp.
There's a guy in Pennsylvania putting an alloy 632 cid big block in his GTR factory built roller.
Why is it all the especially cool GTR's are yellow?
www.summitracing.com and www.jegs.com have a Hardcore 454 small block for $10000.

srreck

529 posts

290 months

Friday 3rd October 2003
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jschwartz said:
Kurt Dobson in Salt Lake City has GTR with a TT Gen 1 sbc putting out 1200 bhp.
There's a guy in Pennsylvania putting an alloy 632 cid big block in his GTR factory built roller.
Why is it all the especially cool GTR's are yellow?
www.summitracing.com and www.jegs.com have a Hardcore 454 small block for $10000.

I have one of these 454 on my GTR. ¡¡ Terrific !!

USCANAM

514 posts

288 months

Friday 3rd October 2003
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jschwartz said:

Why is it all the especially cool GTR's are yellow?



Because they're lemons???

Sorry Jeff, couldn't resist it!!

You could add;
Why are most CanAm's red:

So the owners match the cars in the Summer!!

regards
JAck

dreammedia

13 posts

278 months

Saturday 4th October 2003
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We are building a streetable C5R 1000hp unit as the follow on to Spectrum5's 1200hp race car. Liquid intercooled and electronic boost control.

doc_fudge

243 posts

281 months

Saturday 4th October 2003
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GTR-TT,

You have been stringings us on for long enough...what kind of engine are you going to use?

I think I know, and if you wont say I will

Andy

doc_fudge

243 posts

281 months

Saturday 4th October 2003
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What sort of torque are typical of big block engines? After all, Ultimas have a very special torque limiting device mounted behind the engine...the gearbox!!

I agree with Steve D, Im planning to build an engine which sacrifices some bottom end torque for top end power...a 9000 rpm rev limit should help a little!

It should produce around 550 fl/lbs of torque and I think 600 ponies should be more than enough (well at least for me)

The biggest problem everyone will face is traction. This will be the greatest equiliser meaning there would by very little difference in performance between 600 hp and 1000 hp, at least at sane speeds anyway.

Andy

d3vine

699 posts

297 months

Saturday 4th October 2003
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So what engine weighs in at 150 Kg, produces 1000 BHP aspirated, and able to rev up to 10,500 rpm?

davefiddes

846 posts

289 months

Saturday 4th October 2003
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A very expensive one?