500 serp injectors
500 serp injectors
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Vixpy1

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42,699 posts

295 months

Wednesday 29th October 2008
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What size are they? Are they high or low impedance? Whats a good source of uprated ones?

The New project is starting biggrin

Cheers,

Charlie

Ps, anybody got a 500 serp complete engine loom i can borrow to aid my construction of the new loom?

Edited by Vixpy1 on Wednesday 29th October 12:12

rev-erend

21,624 posts

315 months

Wednesday 29th October 2008
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Vixpy - cheapest in usa.

About 350 dollars..

http://www.fiveomotorsport.com/Injector_SetsENGLAN...


rev-erend

21,624 posts

315 months

Wednesday 29th October 2008
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This web site helps calculate fuel supply (lbs) from bhp

(see injectors and fuel supply on the left panel)
http://www.megamanual.com/index.html

Edited by rev-erend on Wednesday 29th October 12:22

spend

12,581 posts

282 months

Wednesday 29th October 2008
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We still have to try uprated Lucas injectors on Fatsos car.. They are definitely shorter than 'popularized' Bosch units which we suspect might be adversely affecting flow due to the difference. Both MikeV and Pasco observed losses with the Bosch 'red tops' although there are discrepancies over the amount from different parties, I think all agreed that there was definitely a loss.

Can't give you a definitive answer, but it is worth considering the difference IMHO.



K4TRV

1,819 posts

283 months

Wednesday 29th October 2008
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rev-erend said:
Vixpy - cheapest in usa.

About 350 dollars..

http://www.fiveomotorsport.com/Injector_SetsENGLAN...
Rev-erend, you've mentioned these before and could be cheaper still ??

http://www.jegs.com/p/Accel/749691/10002/-1

Just being helpful ??

Trevrolleyes

rev-erend

21,624 posts

315 months

Wednesday 29th October 2008
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K4TRV said:
rev-erend said:
Vixpy - cheapest in usa.

About 350 dollars..

http://www.fiveomotorsport.com/Injector_SetsENGLAN...
Rev-erend, you've mentioned these before and could be cheaper still ??

http://www.jegs.com/p/Accel/749691/10002/-1

Just being helpful ??

Trevrolleyes
Actually - yes they are.

I have a set (8) awaiting a motor big enough to need them

30lbs.. lick

Vixpy1

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Wednesday 29th October 2008
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rev-erend said:
Vixpy - cheapest in usa.

About 350 dollars..

http://www.fiveomotorsport.com/Injector_SetsENGLAN...
Those seem to be roughly 205cc injectors, which seem a little small to me at 3 bar base pressure.

rev-erend

21,624 posts

315 months

Wednesday 29th October 2008
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Vixpy1 said:
rev-erend said:
Vixpy - cheapest in usa.

About 350 dollars..

http://www.fiveomotorsport.com/Injector_SetsENGLAN...
Those seem to be roughly 205cc injectors, which seem a little small to me at 3 bar base pressure.
C302 :
http://www.fiveomotorsport.com/Injector_SetsMODS.a...
Brand new
Ford Racing 19#
(Actual flow rate is 21lbs/hr at 43.5 psi).
Original Equipment replacement fuel injectors - Will help increase horsepower in a stock engine. These injectors are flow balanced to within 1% of mfg. specification.

220cc:
http://www.fiveomotorsport.com/Injector_SetsMODS.a...


rev-erend

21,624 posts

315 months

Wednesday 29th October 2008
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21 lbs is good for 300bhp.. and not much more..

Standard replacement injectors.

Vixpy1

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Wednesday 29th October 2008
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rev-erend said:
21 lbs is good for 300bhp.. and not much more..

Standard replacement injectors.
I'm going to need bigger injectors than that hehe


chrispitman

742 posts

285 months

Wednesday 29th October 2008
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I run the NEW! Ford Racing BB302 "RED Devils" 330cc/30lb in my Chimera 450, there the next gen on from the red tops much smaller and lighter but same hight. They produce a finer mist than the older reds, using them on the emerald there running at 50-60% at 3bar. Never did any power runs before the change but was RR @ 302bhp fly. Decided on these as I wanted better driveability with these and the emerald I have eliminated shunting and can happely drive around town.

trackcar

6,453 posts

257 months

Wednesday 29th October 2008
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I use those in the cerbs sometimes .. theyre a bit over specced for your install but at least on the emerald you can change the bits per second to get your low speed resolution back.

Vixpy1

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Wednesday 29th October 2008
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With a rising rate fuel pressure reg they might do.

Anyone know at what bhp the standard pump runs out of puff? Whats the replacement?

chrispitman

742 posts

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Wednesday 29th October 2008
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The red Devils (Bosch III) will also run at stupid fuel pressure seen them tested a 100+ psi with out problems. I specced these at about 400bhp with a blower more without and thats at 3bar.

chrispitman

742 posts

285 months

Wednesday 29th October 2008
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The others to look at are the Green Giants there 42Lb but have a dual cone jet I belive scpower uses thes on the high end stuff.

rev-erend

21,624 posts

315 months

Wednesday 29th October 2008
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Vixpy1 said:
With a rising rate fuel pressure reg they might do.

Anyone know at what bhp the standard pump runs out of puff? Whats the replacement?
Vixpy - hope you are confused.

Don't think you want a rising rate fuel pressure reg - it's OK if it's adjustable but most are fixed rate these days..

Must make the mapping a night mare if the rate is forever changing wink

spend

12,581 posts

282 months

Wednesday 29th October 2008
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It might have advantages with the timing of sequential injection I suppose? But that must be a black art I suspect wink

Vixpy1

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Wednesday 29th October 2008
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rev-erend said:
Vixpy1 said:
With a rising rate fuel pressure reg they might do.

Anyone know at what bhp the standard pump runs out of puff? Whats the replacement?
Vixpy - hope you are confused.

Don't think you want a rising rate fuel pressure reg - it's OK if it's adjustable but most are fixed rate these days..

Must make the mapping a night mare if the rate is forever changing wink
It changes with Boost wink

GreenV8S

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315 months

Wednesday 29th October 2008
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Vixpy1 said:
It changes with Boost wink
Isn't is usual to have it referenced to the manifold pressure though, so the pressure differential across the injectors is constant? With a rising rate regulator, the pressure across the injectors is no longer constant.

Vixpy1

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GreenV8S said:
Vixpy1 said:
It changes with Boost wink
Isn't is usual to have it referenced to the manifold pressure though, so the pressure differential across the injectors is constant? With a rising rate regulator, the pressure across the injectors is no longer constant.
Yes, the Reg is referenced to manifold pressure and the pressure rises at a rate of 1:1 with it.